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Innocent_Bystander posted:Excellent, the suggested plan for the Coronado S is hereby approved. We are now entering the final phase of HEIMDALL. From: UNIN BuShips To: Councillor Innocent_Bystander, Director of Defense Re: Coronado S It should also be noted that the Vancouver Yard will complete its second slipway within four days. Which yard(s) should be tooled? Also, if we pursue this design, is Coronado the final class name to use?
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bgreman posted:From: UNIN BuShips In keeping with the gold theme for the scouts that explored Sol, i kind of like El Dorado for the first one, with a theme for later vessels of mythical paradises and treasures. Seems a bit better than conquistadores to me.
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Added Space posted:To: Administrator Arujei Sure, these ruins have been abandoned, but what of any possible successor states? What if Mars was part of some kind of Belnarian Hadrian's Interstellar Wall, abandoned due to the collapse of the home polity? Rome was succeeded by German kings, with German princesses! Really, how much do we know about the Belnarians, beside their engineering standards? Were they humanoid? Did they speak with human-audible sound waves? I'm going to have to ask the Xenology guys if they've found any cultural artifacts. Is there anything, really? I checked the wiki for information, but it just says the ruins were found on Mars. I'm about to go have dinner with Lenininininsky, but I don't think he'll be too thrilled to take me up if I offer my help with their terraformers. Maybe if I offer to help him blindfolded so I don't find out any ~*state secrets*~. And how the Hell do we plan on terraforming Luna?? The place doesn't have enough gravity to even hold onto an atmosphere!
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To: Administrator Arujei Re: Terraforming I'm not quite sure of the physics of it, but somehow they found a way to give that tractor-beam effect to the molecules that get spit out of the terraformer. This makes the atmosphere act a lot more like a liquid then a gas. I've actually spent a day in a test chamber - it feels like the most humid day on the beach you could imagine short of sticking your head into the lake. However, the lab boys tell me they've had rats in the stuff for a year now and they look fine, so I guess you get used to it. Anything with gravity strong enough for humans to live on will hold the atmosphere we make for it. In game terms, the only thing you get out of ruins about the societies is their name and the ability to tell how many installations there are on any planet they had ruins on. I'm just eagerly waiting for when we trigger the bad events that can happen...
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I'm approving the El Dorado and new-world/gold motif for naming them, construction is to take place in the Vancouver yard.
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To: The Blithely Colonialist Ship-Naming Department of the United Nations From: Khan Jefe El Presidente Del Revolucione al Jihadi TildeATH "Tildo" Kabilla il Jong Subject: Your vile oppression You pig-dogs wish to name an entire class of ships after one of the slave-tradingest pits of evil racism ever to be seen on our fair planet? You white people sicken me with your white, distracted, colonial tomfoolery. I would suggest, instead of Cape Town, that the new ship class be called Slave Lodge. "Oh, Tildo, what a 'orrible name!" Yes, I'm sure it was, to the SLAVES LIVING THERE IN CAPE TOWN! Maybe the last time you were in Cape Town was while they were keeping that Mandela chap in a cell in a jail on an island. If you had visited more recently, you would have found things more apt for choosing names from, like this: http://www.iziko.org.za/museums/slave-lodge After speaking with my constituency, I have determined a set of other possible names for ship classes that do not make you sound like a horrible, horrible racist: Slave Lodge Sequoia/Chief Joseph/Peltier Zapata/Zapatista Liberia/Monrovia Malcolm/Farrakhan/Noble Ali Basque/Provença Sincerely, Khan Jefe El Presidente Del Revolucione al Jihadi TildeATH "Tildo" Kabilla il Jong and his staff (pictured below)  OOC: I don't know exactly what power block the UN represents, so I apologize if I've thrown some names/places that fall under the Federation bloc. If that's the case, then just blame the dictator's poor education.
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This is a completely excellent LP. Can I sign up for the Space Navy? And I'm not sure how feasible this is, but if we decide to build a new academy putting it on the Moon might be a good idea. We'd show that we're willing to place important installations in colonial spaces, and we'd be able to propagandize it as an emphasis on educate our colonists, in contrast to the evil Feddies who only want their colonists to be mindless menial laborers.
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From U.N Industrial Command Subject: Stuff and More Stuff Cape Town For some reason, even I can't remake the magazine I submitted for the X-2, so I made on that is the same for all extents and purposes, except it is now has 57 capacity (it doesn't affect ship size or Magazine cost. Its uses conventional Duranium armor. code:code:As to the name...Well Cape Town is the second most populace city of South Africa, and is a vibrant part of its economy and is a bastion of multiculturalism, which in our rapidly globalizing society is something becoming more and more common. Surely, as a proud leader of a proud and vibrant country, you too would enjoy seeing the name of one of your many glorious city's represented by one of the most cutting edge warships in the Space Navy. Teraforming I understand there is a bit of contention with this issue, especially with the colonies desiring more breathing space. Please bear in mind though our Terraformers are going to be employing a lot of people and while inexpensive, it will still require quite a few instillation to fully change an atmosphere. However, I would like to say, we might want to consider testing Terraforming on Mars before we start changing Callisto and Luna. Given that this is still untested technology, we will want to make sure it works, and Mars is theoretically the easiest to change. Hell we could probably work with the Feds to make this happen, and shorten the time even further. Then we can start on Callisto and Luna. We might also want to consider looking into making Terraforming ships, we can make more of them, and being mobile, they would be easier to transport and wouldn't require a quarter million people to work and operate. The downside is it's more expensive then an installation: code:Future Research Once we complete the latest round of research for our military upgrades, we need to figure out what to get next. I feel that improving our mine extraction rate, then construction rates would be goo goals since they would drastically improve our industrial capacities. For military upgrades, we might also want to look into improving the reload rate for our launchers, for our more offense heavy long range launchers, the four minute reload time as it is right now isn't good, considering it reduced our chances for saturation fire. Emperor of Tennis posted:And I'm not sure how feasible this is, but if we decide to build a new academy putting it on the Moon might be a good idea. We'd show that we're willing to place important installations in colonial spaces, and we'd be able to propagandize it as an emphasis on educate our colonists, in contrast to the evil Feddies who only want their colonists to be mindless menial laborers. This is something we do want to shoot for, but unfortunately academies cannot be transported, and as one of the more expensive building that can be built, making one on the moon right now would use up almost all of its industrial capacity. In a couple years this might be more feasible to build. Finally, we might want to manufacture a bunch of hornet missiles so that we have a decent stockpile on Earth. In-case anything breaks out, it would be good to have a nice reserve of anti-missile missiles ready instead of having to wait for them to build.
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Arujei posted:Really, how much do we know about the Belnarians, beside their engineering standards? Were they humanoid? Did they speak with human-audible sound waves? I'm going to have to ask the Xenology guys if they've found any cultural artifacts. Is there anything, really? I checked the wiki for information, but it just says the ruins were found on Mars. I am so glad someone finally asked about this. I'll write something up and post it this week. Emperor of Tennis posted:This is a completely excellent LP. Can I sign up for the Space Navy? Done. Please note that I saw your post halfway through this update, so this officer will be seen by his original name for most of it. But congratulations, you are now the highest ranked espionage officer the UN possesses and are in charge of the UNIN Special Forces team assigned to the Federation. Jimmy4400nav posted:From U.N Industrial Command Pretty sure the reason this ekes out that extra bit of capacity is it is designed with High Density Duranium armor, not conventional. Remember, the armor type dropdown on the Magazine design page is non-functional. Magazines always use whatever the best armor your empire has researched is. Earth, 17th May 2032  A major maintenance overhaul on UNS Boomtown completes. With the announcement of the El Dorado-class survey ship, many at UNIN question the future of the Panner-class. A few camps arise. One favors refitting the two Panner-class vessels into El Dorados. Critics contend that for the cost of refitting the Panners (€222.5 million each, or €445 million for both), nearly one and a half El Dorados could be built. The refit proponents counter that the expense would be worth it in order to cut some time off the build. Another contingent believes the Panners should be maintained as-is. They are still relatively quick, despite their old engines, and their proponents believe they could continue in the geosurvey role if escorted by jump tenders into new systems. This would free up the El Dorados for the more strategically important jump point surveys of new systems. Critics of this plan point out that simply building more El Dorados will eventually give the UN all the survey power it will ever need. A third contingent also backs the El Dorado design, but favors simply scrapping the Panners in order to save on the manpower, mineral, fuel, and operational costs of running the old ships. In the meantime, the Panners take up station-keeping positions outside the primary UN orbital maintenance facility and are powered down to reduce wear on their components. Earth, 19th May 2032  A second slipway is opened at the Vancouver Naval Yard. While there are still two Samar-class DEs left on order, UNIN BuShips decides that the ability to build two El Dorados as soon as the yard is retooled outweigh the benefit of moving up the production date of another Samar. To that end, work officially begins on retooling the Vancouver Yard to build the El Dorado-class science vessel. The work will cost over €250 million, and will complete in late November. The remaining Samars will be built at the Valhalla and Victoria yards. code: BP Saturn, still recovering from the events of 2031, take another step back toward regular operations with the expansion of its mining operation on Iapetus. Earth, 23rd May 2032  CAPT cokerpilot, UNIN FHQ's Operations staff officer, takes some brief time at the Advanced Leadership Academy. Recently he and CDRE Chadwick have been in contact regarding improvements to the fleet training regimen. Titan, 1st June 2032  Good news from BP Saturn yet again as they announce that the mining operation on Titan will be expanded as well. Meanwhile, Beedi launches another Udaloy 31 freighter. At this point, the Federation has nearly three times the civilian shipping tonnage as the UN. Callisto, 1st June 2032  On the heels of BP Saturn's recent expansions, CONSOL announces that its Callisto operations will be seeing the addition of a new mining complex as well. Earth, 5th June 2032  Rumors begin to swirl that CDRE Jaramr is making friends in UNIN's government oversight committees. It's said that he is pushing to take the CO slot of UNS Berlin when she reaches the full extent of her task force training benchmarks. Those in the know widely suspect that CDRE Chadwick, with her amazing acumen for training void sailors, will remain in command of 1st Cruiser Squadron, while Berlin will be assigned to someone else and sent back to Earth for overhaul and entry into official combat service. Elsewhere, McKiernan launches an Aberdeen freighter, SS Banks. Not to be outdone, Kryuchkov launches yet another Udaloy 31 freighter. Earth, 7th June 2032  The UNIN Special Forces team deployed in deep cover within the Federation finally yields something of interest. During one of their regular informational dead drops, they reveal that one of the cell members has managed to infiltrate a Federation void naval design firm. The agent managed to smuggle out a single page summary of an as-yet-unobserved Federation craft, the Gordi-class Fleet Support Vessel. code:However, it is known that unless the Federation has somehow managed to assemble a shipyard complex somewhere else in the Solar System, this ship class is not in production, as it would not be able to be kept hidden from the UN's ground Earth-based sensor net. The unexpected success leads the UNIN Intel Office to slightly shuffle around those assigned to the Special Forces Team, improving its odds of recovering usable data somewhat. Earth, 11th June 2032, 13:11 UTC  From: UNIN Intel Office To: UNEC Re: Federation Contacts A newly refitted Moskva 31 has just ignited her drive and is breaking Earth orbit. Her course puts her on track for rendezvous with the Federation Mars Fleet. We anticipate she will be relieving one of the legacy Moskvas. Transmission ends Elsewhere, Dr. viewtyjoe campaigns to gain political clout to sway UNSA toward funding projects he believes to be important. Mars, 12th June 2032  Another Belnar installation crumbles to dust during a reactivation attempt. A Federation complaint at the "wanton destruction of priceless artificats" is strangled early when an independent monitor makes a report detailing a number of similar incidents caused by the Federation engineering team working on the ruins. Mars, 14th June 2032, 13:01 UTC  From: UNIN Intel Office To: UNEC Re: Federation Contacts Sirs, the Moskva 31 that recently departed Earth has entered formation with the Federation Mars Fleet. However, instead of the single legacy Moskva transiting to Earth that we expected, we've noticed a Skory and both remaining Moskvas breaking orbit and making for Earth. The Skory is the original ship, the first of her class. They should arrive about three days hence. Transmission ends With all automines delivered to their new asteroid destinations (with the exception of the two freighters on a long-haul delivery to the Kuiper Belt), and all new mines delivered to the Tranquility colony, McKiernan has taken the opportunity to expand the Tranquility colony by some 100,000 new settlers. At this point, UNDOT reinstates its infrastructure delivery contract for the Callisto colony, as growth there has somewhat stagnated in the last several months. Earth, 17th June 2032, 15:02 UTC  From: UNIN Intel Office To: UNEC Re: Federation Contacts The Federation task force has reached Earth and entered the Federation shipyard complex. It is likely the two Moskvas are undergoing overhaul and refit. The Skory has been in the field for nearly 2.5 years, but it is unknown whether she is coming in for repair, overhaul, or refit. We assume at least overhaul, but time will tell. Mars, 18th June 2032  The BIEC fails to recover yet another Belnar ruin. UNGF brass demand a full report on the situation. They warn that the rate of failure with facility reactivation is unacceptable. Earth, 19th June 2032  CAPT Commoners aboard UNS Kagayan wins the latest 1st Cruiser Squadron fleet training exercise. On Earth, CMDR Nevermore214 makes several contacts within the Federation's Foreign Ministry. Earth, 21st June 2032  Operational testing on the prototype run of Athenoi's SSM-9A "Exocet" missile is completed, and UNIN BuOrd signs off on the missile for mass production. Dr. Barrelfox then turns his attention to the ATK SSM-7A "Sparrowhawk" submunition. A pair of these will make up the second stage to the ATK SSM-8A "Raptor" anti-ship cruise missile. Meanwhile, Sad Container Line launches another Udaloy 31-class freighter, giving them five total. Earth, 25th June 2032  CDRE Chadwick radios FHQ and indicates that 1st Cruiser Squadron will be making for Earth so that the Berlins can refuel. Replenishing the fuel of all the ships in the 1st Cruiser Squadron will use nearly 1,000,000 liters of ReSor. Earth's stockpile currently sits at nearly 34 million liters. Earth, 27th June 2032  1st Cruiser Squadron returns to deep space and resumes its fleet training maneuvers. Elsewhere, Sad Container Line launches a new freighter. Earth, 29th June 2032  UN overseers on the automated mining facility at asteroid IAU TN-A22 report that the miniscule amount of corbomite there has been mined out. Sad Container Line reveals that the launch of two days prior was part of a larger project to increase the scale of their shipbuilding, as they launch another Udaloy 31 freighter today. Financial analysts indicate that the three Federation shipping concerns have generated over €8 billion in taxes over the last twelve months, more than thirteen times the €624 million that McKiernan has brought in via taxation on shipping. When the UN's civilian contracts are figured in, the UN has actually lost more than €100 million. 1st Cruiser Squadron, 30th June 2032  CAPT Huriness reports back to BuShips that during a routine maintenance inspection of his ship's SML-8 missile launch battery, fatigue fractures of a structural component were discovered. CAPT Huriness indicates that satisfactory repairs have been carried out using on-board maintenance spares. Note that this is not something to panic about. Maintenance failures can happen at any time. Failures are more likely the higher a ship's maintenance clock is, but as long as there are available spares to repair the failure there is no lasting effect. Ships kept in orbit of a colony with sufficient maintenance supplies do not run up their maintenance clocks. Earth, 3rd July 2032  McKiernan announces the launch of a new passenger liner of the Starliner class, SS Prinzessin Victoria Luise. The design is in-house by McKiernan to fill the role of the old Galicia-class passenger cruisers. Earth, 7th July 2032  Vancouver Naval Yard launches UNS Mindoro, a Samar-class DE. She is given over to CMDR Asehujiko to take on her fuel, supplies, and ordnance, before setting course to rendezvous with 1st Cruiser Squadron halfway between the orbits of Earth and Mars. As Vancouver Yard is hard at work tooling for the El Dorado-class survey vessels, it is unable to lay down a new VALKYRIE destroyer. The final two Samars will need to wait for August and September, when the Valhalla and Victoria yards, respectively, will complete their construction tasks. Earth, 11th July 2032  Earth's UN administrator, Mr. Farecoal, develops a knack for shunting resources into the logistics pipeline, improving freight turnaround times for both inbound and outbound freighters. Earth, 12th July 2032  Dr. Barrelfox's work on the SSM-7A "Sparrowhawk" submunition comes to a close, as the missile's performance meets the standard set out by BuOrd. The next step is to prototype the carrier bus for the Sparrowhawk, the SSM-8A "Raptor" Cruise Missile. Dr Barrelfox estimates that prototyping and testing for the entire system will be complete in mid-to-late September. Earth, 14th July 2032  COL Miyazawa Tokimasu, heretofore CO of the 52nd Conventional Armor division, is diagnosed with a degenerative neurological condition that necessitates his retirement from the UNGF. COL Tokimasu was well-liked by his men, and many of his peers believe the UNGF has lost one of its finest officers. Earth, 16th July 2032  CMDR Hostergaard takes a few days back on Earth to attend the Advanced Leadership Academy. Earth, 17th July 2032 Recently, several UNIN sensor analysts have noticed Federation civilian freighter runs to Mars have dried up. Instead, the majority of Federation civilian freighter traffic is now to Titan. Concurrent with this observation is an announcement from the Federation that the total population of their colony on Mars, including Mangala and all the smaller settlements in the Martian outback, has gone over 25 million. The Federation government gives thanks to its civilian shipping partners and to the population of Mars itself. Press releases distributed to major media outlets describe the nascent economy of the Federation's Mars colony: high-quality consumer electronics, a booming entertainment sector (the top grossing film of 2031 was filmed on location in FEDMARS locales), extremely pure precious metals from easily-tapped near-surface deposits, and, perhaps most strangely, Martian spices. It turns out that spice crops grow in certain Martian soils are extremely pungent and flavorful. Federation Diplomatic Cable posted:From: Sanjna Dhonsi, Minister of Federation Department of Natural Resources Industry Earth  Should the ordnance factories begin producing any missiles? Tranquility  Tranquility is back to 100% production after the mine delivery. Mars  Callisto  Earth Stockpile  Minerals  Shipyards   Research  Contracts
Thread Updates The next update will likely be pretty short, as it will involve the next UN military tour rotation, and taking all those screenshots is a big pain in the butt. The one after that will likely go all the way out to mid-September, when the next missile research completes, so having shipyard and research orders ready will probably be required. bgreman fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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bgreman posted:Earth, 14th July 2032 FROM: The Desk of Brig. General berryjon TO: UN Ground Forces RE: Retirement Party Just to make this clear, not everyone is required to attend. I will, of course, as Colonel Miyazawa reported to me. If any of you have speeches you wish to deliver, send them to my aide first so he can sort them out and make the appropriate arrangements. His condition is also a reminder to us all that regular medical checkups are a good thing, and not to be avoided. If I hear of any of you 'missing' your medical, I have a stack of papers just waiting for names to be put in that you don't want your names on. TO: UNIN RE: Saturn Why the hell do these guys want that planet so bad? Something doesn't smell right here, but I can't put my finger on it.
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bgreman posted:
We should be able to infer their armor tech from this. But...we already have grav sensors  TO: UNIN RE: Saturn TN technology potentially makes cloaking technology viable, with a little funding we might be able to go and take a peek... MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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MagicBoots posted:But...we already have grav sensors Argh, I keep doing this because my template is bad and keeps getting used. Fixed.
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bgreman posted:I am so glad someone finally asked about this. I'll write something up and post it this week. TO: <UN Mailing List> RE: Seriously? I'm the first person to ask the Xenology guys what they actually found? I realize Freddy's right there but 
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quote:TO: UNIN It seems pretty obvious from their current activity that they want to establish a colony on Titan, possibly as a counterpoint to our own Project ZEUS. From a purely strategic standpoint I would recommend standing by the letter of our treaty, since Titan is a major mineral source for us and at this point minerals are much more valuable to us then money. Even the financial bonfire that is McKiernan isn't a drag on our economy. There's one possibility and one drawback that leaps to mind. The possibility of why they chose to claim Saturn is that there's a possibility that Sorium could be extracted from some gas giants. I'll check with intel to see if we got a scan. The drawback is that Saturn is too far away from the sun for its moons to be fully terraformed. Even if they captured 100% of the solar energy hitting them it wouldn't be enough to support human or most plant life. From a real estate perspective, we got the much better deal since the four largest moons of Jupiter can be fully terraformed in time. From: Councillor Added Space To: UN Intelligence A concern and a question. In light of the recent intelligence success, I recommend that our current potential agents be reviewed and the team reformed if a more talented replacement is found. The Fed's eye has been turned back to Saturn. How much geosurvey data did we get about the planet and its moons before they claimed it? edit: To: Councillor Ceebees Technically our main source of Corundium right now is Iapetus, since out mining colony is larger and I put our best miner there. However, Titan is a better source for a wide variety of TNE minerals. Added Space fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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bgreman posted:Federation Diplomatic Cable posted: Oh good, something under my- bgreman posted:To: Councilor DagPenge, Councilor General Antares Awww. Anyway, my two cents are that, if i recall, Titan is our main source of Corundium at this point. Selling them the rights will only make a future event arrive sooner, so we should probably just consider it from an economic standpoint - so long as we don't strangle our own supply of Corundium. Aside from the strategic resource implications, they also likely want a private base, as Added Space noted.
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Whoops, I forgot about UNFRAD. Consider the primary diplomatic effort to be led by you and Ignatov, with the mineral ministers/councilors as advisors.
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I see nothing to be gained in releasing our Saturn holdings, as far as I'm concerned they can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Good guy points are nice and well, but we're not gonna roll over and hand them one of our meatiest mineral sources. I'll be posting/editing later today with detailed production orders, I'll have to dig up a lot of designs for review.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:I see nothing to be gained in releasing our Saturn holdings, as far as I'm concerned they can stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Good guy points are nice and well, but we're not gonna roll over and hand them one of our meatiest mineral sources. This was my immediate reaction too, but consider the details of the deal for a minute. Unless we go to war over it, we're going to have to release this source of minerals eventually anyway. The sooner we accept that and diversify, the less of a shock to our economy it'll be when it happens. Continuing that point, assuming that we don't go to war over that saturnian moons, every single I-beam of infrastructure, every mine, and every person that BP or us ships in, we'll have to ship out at our expense some day under the previous treaty. Right now, Federation shipping is outpacing ours vastly, and they've just offered to pay us for the privilege of tying up their merchant marine for our net benefit. Every Udaloy that's carrying UN infrastructure to who-even-cares isn't building up their colonies. Lastly, if we're getting a benefit from releasing our lease on Titan while we're getting minerals from the mines that used to be there, you can kind of look at it as getting more than 100% efficiency out of those mines. If we raise the subject of getting a tithe of certain key minerals (is anything besides Corundium 'key'?) instead of/in addition to the monetary payments, it could definitely be worth considering. Also, while i'm brainstorming, a clause that ensures the complexes can continuing mining while their individual mines are shipped out may be wise. I'm not saying that we should jump on this for sure, but i would like to point out that there are benefits that aren't immediately apparent. Ceebees fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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From U.N Industrial Command Sunbject: Selling Titan I'm in agreement with Ceebees, I think there are some real benefits to this agreement. I admit, Titan has a nice abundance of minerals, however, if you look at the two most common minerals on Titan, its Duranium and Uridium, two elements we have plenty of. The rare element we need, Corrundium is only in a small quantity on Titan, our main source is Iapetus which has ten times the amount as Titan. As for the Uridium, thanks to our claim on Asteroid 342, we have a healthy stockpile of Uridium. and Callisto produces most of our domestic Duranium supply. So apart from a small spread of minerals and some prestige, we really aren't getting much out of Titan, and the fact that the Feds are willing to pay out of pocket to move the mining facilities and pay us annuity for the next ten years as compensation and are open to negotiation. I personally say take the offer, move half of Titans facilities to Iapetus and the other half to Callisto to better exploit our minerals that we need, and either exchange the 2 billion a year to reduce the fee we pay to get Corrundium from the Saturn, or alternatively since the payment the Feds will pay to us grosses around 20 billion in total, request that they give us a couple of their freighters as payment. Given that they have similar capacities to ours, and I'm guessing nothing classified, we'd gain additional space lift capacity in exchange for a mediocre mining colony.
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Arujei posted:TO: <UN Mailing List> See Arujei, this is why we decided to allow up and coming scientists, such as yourself, to send email to the various UN departments. Apparently we have been to busy to care much about the alien ruins we found, except for how to best use them. I hope you and the Xenology guys can make a good briefing for us, if you need any resources from my department, please don't hesitate to ask. I think I can even set you up for a trip to Mars if you like. From: Councilor DagPenge, Head of UNDOT Sunbject: Selling Titan If UNRA can think of a better place to have those mines, then I see no reason not to accept. Of course the Feds are up to something, but lets accept it, we are the underdogs and thus should remain friendly unless the cost is too high. From: Councilor DagPenge, Head of UNDOT To: UNIN Special Forces RE: Federation civilian shipping How the gently caress does my opposite number manage to get all those shipping lines and have them keep building ships!? Can we somehow look into this? Do you hear anything in the News while over there? If you can get a list of what ships the Civilian lines have and what government contracts are up, it will be most helpful to UNDOT! Shouldn't be too hard I think.
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From Governor Occipitallobe To: Councillor Added Space, Head of UNCAO It is my official recommendation that we do not expend any resources aiding the Federation in terraforming Mars. They cannot lay a legitimate claim to the planet without risking open war, and I doubt the Federation would do that unless such a thing were already a fait accompli. However, it is my firmly-held belief that we should increase our emigration efforts in such a way that the United Nations population on Mars is at least one-quarter of the Martian population at all times. Not only do we benefit from any Federation terraforming efforts, we also do not risk losing Mars to the Federation through some future political machination.
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quote:McKiernan announces the launch of a new passenger liner of the Starliner class, SS Prinzessin Victoria Luise. The design is in-house by McKiernan to fill the role of the old Galicia-class passenger cruisers. Does this mean the computer designed a ship type by itself? quote:
Is a fuel tender ship design starting to be useful by now? Having a substantial number of the fleet going unavailable due to having to travel back and forth will become a bigger issue the farther from refuelling points their operations end up. Another option would be to establish fuel reserves on a multitude of bodies throughout the system. This might still require dedicated fuel tenders, I don't know. At present, ReSor reserves automatically build up on bodies where we have refining capacity. My understanding is that the only refining capacity we have is the conventional industry on Earth, is that correct? the reserves seem ample so this is not an urgent issue. catfry fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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From: Innocent Bystander, Director of Defense To: UNIN BuShips Re: Shipyard planning Once Versailles completes its second slipway, it is to begin retooling for the Berlin II refit design included below. Victoria is to begin slipway expansion once the secondary one there is complete. code:From: Innocent Bystander, Director of Defense To: UNSA Re: Priority Research Request I've been reviewing our interceptor missiles, and found their interception rates against the projected speeds of pulse-drive missiles to be worrying. In response to this, my aides have cooked up the following design draft that uses recent TNE advances to nearly double the odds of high-speed interceptions and should cost less than €100,000 to get through R&D. code:To: UNEC Re: Current Issues I still have reservations regarding the Federation offer. From a military point of view, we'll be giving up our foothold in Saturn space and giving Fred's freighters ample time to nose around within our own security cordons while they're moving our stuff around, not to mention the possibility of them smuggling intelligence teams along. I recognise my department isn't directly involved in this deal, and that the benifits may outweigh these costs, but I want this on the record. Regarding the integration of various neutral nations in Harroux states, I know that our good comrade Tildo is showing great enthousiasm, but how is integration as a whole going for not just his, but other countries as well? Finally, reviewing the intelligence report again, I'm worried by the sheer size of the Gordi. It may not be a combat vessel, but it's a military one, and if they're seriously planning on 10.000 ton military ships already, I really don't like what that implies about their shipyards. --- As for the fuel question, we have dedicated TNE ReSor refineries, last I checked production was still far outstripping demand, so that's not an issue we have to deal with right now.
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To: U.N. Council From: CA Iunnrais, Governor of Callisto Re: Decommissioning Saturn If you do decide to decommission our Saturn holdings, which I personally advise against for military reasons, I will of course do my best to restrain the citizens on Callisto if a red ship were to dock in order to deliver mines. I suspect there might be riots, however, and possibly citizen actions that may result in declaration of war. Even with the new influx of population, there's still a very strong anti-federation sentiment out here. I'd roll my eyes and say "Rednecks", but... *shrug* Being able to keep an eye on actions in Saturn, however, will give us a good head start on Project ZEUS. They won't be able to establish a shipyard there until we clear out, but we can establish a shipyard here on Callisto as soon as we have the means to do so. Are we sure the Feds really have a military advantage over us anyway? The messages I've been seeing over the wire suggest that their stellar weapons are primarily beam related. They may have far more tonnage in space than us, but we should be able to knock them out of the sky before they can close the distance. Unless our intelligence is lacking?
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Just chipping in, but if you want to improve missile designs you really, really want improved warhead tech, which is currently unresearched. Engine/agility/fuel effectiveness are all proportional to the size of the missile, so reducing the size of the warhead will make everything else far more effective. Also, if you do go with the agreement try to extract a payment in corundium. Corundium shortages hurt.
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Dec 17, 2012 19:27
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Yeah, improved warheads would give us 1/3rd more space to work with on AMMs, but that costs 2000 RP, and the mosquito costs 50 RP. Research time is probably the UN's biggest bottleneck. Also, try gallicite shortages. Good luck building a fleet without access to engines.
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FROM: The Reformatory For Make-Believe Delinquents of CO of Callisto Garrison TO: UNEC RE: Titan To Tyrants? Ivan couldn't get us out of Saturn with his tricks so now he wants to buy us out on the cheap? I realize I have no authority in this matter (or in any matter involving legally recognized people now that I think about it) but there is one big reason to refuse this deal: Because they want it really bad. Think about it, they wanted us out of the picture bad enough to pull that Kronus BS and when that failed they had no choice but to beg us to leave. And in return they offer a pittance. Leave it to the commies to completely misjudge the value of currency. The reason they need us gone isn't hard to crack: They intend to develop Titan in the way we are developing Callisto and they know our nearby mining installation has rudimentary sensors. We can detect when something is shipped in or out and the intensity of the engines, any active scans, and we can estimate the trajectories of these ships. Not to mention Titan Garrison would always represent some threat (though not as great a threat as Callisto Garrison would) necessitating the presence of Federation ground forces to counter ours. And that's a problem for them because they don't seem to have troop transports. Remember when we loaned them ours? Would we let them observe the development of Callisto? Of course not. And all we're doing there is establishing a secret fortress, prisons of questionable legality, and perhaps doomsday weapons too. Who knows anymore? Imagine if we were likely to do something shameful and immoral on that moon as The Federation is almost certain to do on Titan. Titan is far more valuable to us than it seems to be on paper. That's why the Fed's offer of money is laughable. It's so ridiculous it's actually offensive. Probably intentionally so. I say refuse this deal until these people are ready to negotiate in good faith. Maybe we can trade Titan for some asteroids, particularly 10 Hygiea and 24 Themis. Or Comet Veazy. In addition to some other payment of course, none of those bodies comes close to equaling the value of Titan.
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Dec 17, 2012 23:23
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FROM: Councilor DagPenge, Head of UNDOT TO: UNEC RE: Titan To Tyrants? In light of the resent discussion I do feel that Titan would be worth more to us, than the Federation is currently offering. Also if UNIN has reservations then UNDOT will not support this proposal. UNDOT will leave it up to Ceebees to kindly tell them to go away.
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Dec 17, 2012 23:53
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Let's crunch some numbers on the Titan proposition. Currently Titan is producing 2,499 tons of minerals per year. It ranks 3rd among our colonies in mineral output, after Callisto and Iapetus. Disregarding the type of mineral, the feds are proposing to buy 2,499 * 80% for €2 billion for the next 10 years. That amounts to about €1 million per ton of mineral that we would get to keep. Now, what can we do with the 70 Ground Based Mines? We have several interesting locations to put those mines: Option #1: Iapetus. It's in saturn, so it'll still be under the treaty of saturn, which means reduced effective productivity. On the other hand the Feds won't have access to our sovereign space. 70 mines there at current productivity means 1.610 tons/year. We would lose about 711 tons of minerals per year. Option #2: Callisto. It's our land, so we would keep 100% of the minerals. We'd have to let the feds inside Jupiter, so we would have to take care about espionage and stuff. We would get to extract 3.308 tons of minerals per year, and we'd keep 100% of it. An increase of 1.308 tons of minerals per year. Sadly, Callisto has no Corundium. Option #3: Mars. It's crazy, but bear with me: Mars has a high productivity (higher than Callisto), the mineral reserves there are shared with the feds and we currently are way behind in the Mars colonization department. Also, no need to allow the Feds into Jupiter space. I think the mines we currently have there are Automines, so no there should be no issues with the Mars Unions. Also, proximity to Earth and out other colonies and increased infrastructture might reduce unrest and increase civillian investments on this mining complex. But I really don't know if BP or the Feds are going to like this idea. Productivity increase: 2.467 tons of minerals/year, plus Mars has Corundium, so we wouldn't lose much in that department. Option #4: 52 Europa. I have no idea if it's possible to relocate civillian mining complexes to an asteroid, but if it is, then we could send them to 52 Europa. We can stripmine that fucker in less than 20 years, with a productivity similar to Callisto, even taking the complete depletion of some mineral reserves in consideration, plus an increase in Corundium production. On the other hand, it's a barren, tiny asteroid. It's closer to home though. Conclusion: The only reason the Saturn Civillian Mining Complexes are interesting is because they are "free". 10 years is not enought to deplete the huge mineral reserves of Titan, and we would keep a presence in Iapetus and Mimas, so there is no strategic reason for us to stay there. There are better places for our mining companies to invest, places where we don't have to pay a 20% tax to our enemies. The Feds are offering to pay us to improve our mining productivity. If the civillians in charge of the colonies and the workers are ok with the move, I say we take it. PS.: This doesn't mean we have to accept their first offer. Drive a hard bargain and bleed them hard. They are probably pricing Titan at €1 million per ton of U.N. mineral. Magrov fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Dec 18, 2012 |
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Added Space posted:From: Councillor Added Space From: UNIN Special Forces To: Councilor Added Space Re: Special Forces Team Sir, we believe our current team is the best, considering the needs of both the team and UNIN is as a whole. Nevertheless, here is the information you've requested.   Generally, with teams, I will only replace someone if a) they have the lowest score on the team, b) there exists a candidate with a higher score, and c) the member to be replaced has another useful skill (crew training rating, especially). As an example, CMDR SleazyBakeOven was recently replaced with CMDR Giles, because SleazyBakeOven has a crew training rating. He was replaced instead of UberJew because UberJew has no other rating besides Espionage. I will of course honor direct assignments by UNIN or UNGF. From: UNRA, Minerology Committee To: Councilor Added Space Re: Saturn We achieved a complete survey of Saturn and all her moons during the intial survey effort. Saturn itself has no gaseous sorium deposits. Of her moons, only Epimetheus, Mimas, Titan, and Iapetus have any TN minerals of note.
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Thanks bgreman. From: Councillor Added Space To: Administrator Occipitallobe, UNEC I'd like to be able to match the Fed's occupation of Mars, but we sadly don't have the lift capacity and won't for years. The only thing I can think of is a potential stopgap to keep them from trying to claim Mars after the ruins have been fully exploited. Given the absolutely horrid success rate at reclaiming the facilities, I think we should propose that a portion of them (say, 10% of the original number) be preserved as a museum to the Belnar and a training ground for Xenologists.
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Dec 18, 2012 02:34
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By the way, I did a thing:  I collected some historical info on mineral stockpiles and production, interpolated some things, did some weighted means on others, and hopefully everything is correct. Basically I found out the following: 1. We are slowly running out of Neutronium. The current stockpile is projected to last only 8 more years. Our current usage is estimated to be about 4.5k tons per year, and we are only producing 2.5k tons, mainly in Callisto and Iapetus. Maybe with the expansion of the Callisto and the Tranquility colonies, this problem will dissapear on it's own. 2. Earth is experiencing a decrease in mineral output! The reason is simple: we stopped converting CI to mines. We used to have 1080 Ground Based Mines in oct-2031, and now we have only 1058. This represents an across the board mineral output reduction of 2%. 3. We (and the feds) are slowly depleting the reserves of Tritanium, Mercassium and Vendarite on Earth. Current Reserves will be depleted in 3.7, 3.0 and 5.9 years respectively, but that's considering only our own production. Our current usage of Venadrite is very small, but regarding the other 2 minerals, considering the current stockpiles, the current usage and guesstimating the Federation mining output as being equivalent to ours, we'll have a shortage of Tritanium in about 10 years and a shortage of Mercassium in about 7.5 years. Again, nothing urgent, but we should keep an eye on this situation. Conclusion: Earth is still the main source of minerals due to it's productive capacity. We should gradually increase mining effots on the colonies to avoid mineral shortages in 7-10 years from now. Nothing urgent, but we shouldn't sit on this either. Query: Is it possible to build a mining void ship? bgreman, can I have some updated screenshots of the mineral situation on the colonies and asteroids, including the new claims?
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Dec 18, 2012 03:13
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Magrov posted:Query: Is it possible to build a mining void ship? It is possible to build ships that can mine asteroids. One asteroid mining module acts the same as one mine at the body. Minerals Tranquility  Mars  Callisto  Automated Mining Colonies Venus  16 Psyche  121 Hermione  52 Europa  2 Pallas  423 Diotima  511 Davida  702 Alauda  IAU TN-A22  IAU TN-A140  IAU TN-K342  Civilian Mining Complexes Iapetus  Mimas  Titan  Henceforth, though, you'll have to be satisfied with the yearly reports on the smaller mining operations.
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To: UN.ORG!SECUREGATE!ACAD!TNCLEARED!STUDENT!UN-MAILLIST From: Neophyte@UNTNA.mil bgreman posted:Industry Though it apparently didn't warrant any fanfare, I am ecstatic that a new Academy campus has been built! With a third expansion expected before the end of the year, even! I'm not exactly sure where the new campus is, though I have noticed that the little pizzas in the cafeteria have recently been topped with shrimp, corn and mayonnaise. Regardless, the air around here is electric with anticipation of graduation, and around the dorms abandoned curbside futons have increased 50%. It's a good time to be alive in the Academy! It may have been said already, but it looks like in the very near future we're going to have a huge amount of freed-up industry. What will we be doing with the 56% slack factory capacity? If we're at loose ends for megaprojects, may I suggest putting the CI conversions back onto the front burner for a while? Jimmy4400nav posted:Teraforming Regarding terraforming, I doubt a ship with a single module will do much, unless many many ships are built at considerable expense and time tying up slipways. If only there were some way we could use those theoretical orbital habitats to create a space-based terraforming station, we could then tow it with a tug to wherever it's needed. This is is probably completely impractical. Forget I brought it up. I've read that somehow, if you make a "terraformer" station with an orbital habitat component in it, you build it with your factories and not in a shipyard - so you're not constrained by slipway size and build times. But the habitat makes it loving gigantic, so it takes a LONG time to tow it anywhere. Plus it seems kinda gamey so bgreman might disallow it anyway. But anyone want to test this out? Finally, I again will beat my drum about production research. Yes, we need to improve our rates of mine extraction and construction - but what of the civilian economy, upon which nearly all of the UN's funding depends on? What is our current account balance? Will we be able to continue to fund our expensive facilities as we expand? Will you continue to ignore the needs of the ordinary citizen in order to fund the UN war machine? Is it any wonder we're so disliked by our own people these days? It's raining TN soup, but we're keeping all the bowls to ourselves. For shame!
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Neophyte posted:To: UN.ORG!SECUREGATE!ACAD!TNCLEARED!STUDENT!UN-MAILLIST I love these emails. I always imagine some kind of Future Grad Student with a shaved pate just spitballing ideas. The whole "If only we could build a giant, orbital terraformer that we towed to planets... naaah, that's just silly" was marvelous. If I ever get my little planet, I hope that this goofy Space Postdoc will be stationed there. Speaking of which, will I ever get an actual character, and should I stop writing bombastic emails until I have an in-LP avatar or forever? I don't want to lay it on thick if it's not fitting within the LP. Not sure how that should work out.
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From: Tsar of Tennis To: Anonymous friends in unaligned countries who are certainly not high-ranking UN officials Well here I was, about to tell my team that everybody back home was very thankful of the sacrifices we've made, and that we might even be in line for some medals when we get home, then I see this. I guess I'll keep those promises of rewards when we get out of cold, cold Moscow appropriately vague. Our work is never done, I suppose. Re: Titan, if we decide to give it to them we should make sure it's for boatloads of money and/or minerals.
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TildeATH posted:I love these emails. I always imagine some kind of Future Grad Student with a shaved pate just spitballing ideas. The whole "If only we could build a giant, orbital terraformer that we towed to planets... naaah, that's just silly" was marvelous. Personally I love them since they add some nice flavor. You're next up for a Civilian Administrator slot, and I'll send you to our first extrasolar colony unless you end up having no attributes (it happens sometimes).
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Dec 18, 2012 04:52
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To: UNEC From: Councilor General Antares I believe we should go ahead with moving out of Titan but I think we can hold out for more than they're offering. Maybe we could tax them like they're taxing us on the other moons? Or get them to stop taxing us on the other moons? I think we should send the mines and the miners to Mars. We need to play catch up there in terms of population and mining.
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Dec 18, 2012 06:22
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Neophyte posted:Though it apparently didn't warrant any fanfare, I am ecstatic that a new Academy campus has been built! With a third expansion expected before the end of the year, even! The new academy is in Brazil. The next one will be in Japan. Both are countries that are actively increasing their role in UN's void affairs. Neophyte posted:Regarding terraforming, I doubt a ship with a single module will do much, unless many many ships are built at considerable expense and time tying up slipways. If only there were some way we could use those theoretical orbital habitats to create a space-based terraforming station, we could then tow it with a tug to wherever it's needed. This is is probably completely impractical. Forget I brought it up. I will for sure allow this. I feel the benefit gained from building such a monstrous ship using industry is offset by the hassle of managing the logistics of moving them around. I won't, however, allow any craft that have both an orbital habitat and any weapon other than a CIWS. TildeATH posted:Speaking of which, will I ever get an actual character, and should I stop writing bombastic emails until I have an in-LP avatar or forever? I don't want to lay it on thick if it's not fitting within the LP. Not sure how that should work out. I believe you are next in line for a Civ Admin positions. Also please don't ever stop. I laugh my rear end off at your posts. In general, I've been way into the personas various people have adopted. It keeps things interesting during times when not much is really going on in game terms. If I ever think someone's taking things too far, I'll be sure to say so.
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I don't have much of a persona (insert P3/4 joke of your choice here), although being in the Ground Forces doesn't give me much to do at this point. Worst comes to worst, I'll just channel my avatar and invade a planet. We're not invading anyone soon, right?
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