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Rueish posted:You're crazy if you don't think all of those are very Nier-esc. I don't hear any tribal percussion or any ritualistic/holy chanting in the background. It just sounds like some generic incidental music.
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As long as we're arguing music, I feel like one of the great strength's of the FF soundtracks are its ability to match the emotional cues of the story so well. There was Kotaku article that summed up this point pretty well, about how the most emotional part of Aerith's death scene didn't come until the silence broke with the musical cue. And to chip in my opinion, I think A Place to Call Home is a fantastic and overlooked piece of Final Fantasy music that evokes feelings of longing and loneliness that is such a defining element of so many of the characters personal story arcs.
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Mega64 posted:I will argue to the death that FF3 has some of the best music in the series. I love FF13's soundtrack. It has some crap but every FF soundtrack does and a lot of the songs made otherwise boring areas bearable.
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Krad posted:I don't hear any tribal percussion or any ritualistic/holy chanting in the background. It just sounds like some generic incidental music. None of the tracks I posted are "generic."
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Jan 13, 2013 21:28
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ImpAtom posted:I love FF13's soundtrack. It has some crap but every FF soundtrack does and a lot of the songs made otherwise boring areas bearable. Oh yeah, what's your favorite tune? Generic Orchestra bit #1, #2, really crappy battle music with all the empowerment of Margaret Thatcher in a cold shower or the really loving annoying pop song? I just can't choose! I mean at least FF8 had Man with the Machine Gun.
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ConanThe3rd posted:Oh yeah, what's your favorite tune? Generic Orchestra bit #1, #2, really crappy battle music with all the empowerment of Margaret Thatcher in a cold shower or the really loving annoying pop song? I just can't choose! Blinded By Light is one of the best battle themes the series has had, sorry. Even if I hated the rest of FFXIII's soundtrack, that one is by and above one of my favorite FF songs ever. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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ConanThe3rd posted:Oh yeah, what's your favorite tune? Generic Orchestra bit #1, #2, really crappy battle music with all the empowerment of Margaret Thatcher in a cold shower or the really loving annoying pop song? I just can't choose! On the other hand... (Blinded By Light is also really good yeah, it's way more listenable as an individual track than most other standard FF battle songs) Brother Entropy fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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Jan 13, 2013 22:12
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Bossa nova is always great. Liked it in Costa del Sol back in FFVII, liked it even more here when it actually sounded like legitimate bossa nova. Azure_Horizon fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Jan 13, 2013 |
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Jan 13, 2013 22:16
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ImpAtom posted:Blinded By Light is one of the best battle themes the series has had, sorry. Even if I hated the rest of FFXIII's soundtrack, that one is by and above one of my favorite FF songs ever. A yup gotta agree with this. I like the crystal theme a lot too. Was kind of overused in the game IIRC but still.
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voltron lion force posted:A yup gotta agree with this. I like the crystal theme a lot too. Was kind of overused in the game IIRC but still. The part at 1:20 where the violin changes its chord progression and the piano slows down is so beautiful.
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All this talk of FF music and no one mentions Crazy Chocobo  Seriously though, I really love the FFXIII-2 version of Battle on the Big Bridge.
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ImpAtom posted:Blinded By Light is one of the best battle themes the series has had, sorry. Even if I hated the rest of FFXIII's soundtrack, that one is by and above one of my favorite FF songs ever. And to continue the tradition I still feel like Paradigm Shift is another really catchy main battle theme in XIII-2. Actually Last Hunter is pretty drat good too once it gets to the violin section. Personally I think the more electronic inspired tracks from XIII-2 are more catchy than XIII's OST but I understand that it's also a pretty big departure for the series in terms of musical direction too.
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Mega64 posted:I will argue to the death that FF3 has some of the best music in the series. I will do the same for FF2. Rebel Army Theme Possibly the best Normal Battle theme in the series Ancient Castle Dungeon And since people were talking about generic stuff, I'v ealways found this FF2 Boss Theme to be pretty unique. Brother Entropy posted:On the other hand... That motif they used for XIII is quite beautiful. It's one reason why Serah's Theme and the SunletH Waterscape and the track you posted are among my favorite songs in the OST. Although I am glad to see some FFXII music love. It might not be the best soundtrack in the series but it has some amazing pieces.
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Games › Final Fantasy Megathread: Every game has the best music in the series.
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NikkolasKing posted:I will do the same for FF2. You forgot this one, which was significantly enhanced in the GBA version.
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Mega64 posted:Games › Final Fantasy Megathread: Every game has the best music in the series. I agree with this. I honestly think that each game's soundtrack is pretty good and accurately captures the feeling of that game. It's apples and oranges. Okay, X-2 is on a lower tier compared to the other games in the series but even then it still had some cool tunes. Fister Roboto posted:You forgot this one, which was significantly enhanced in the GBA version. I never heard that track actually. I made it all the way to the point where you get Leon back in your party but then I stopped and forgot about the game.
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Jan 14, 2013 00:24
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I love FFV for a lot of reasons, the soundtrack is one of them: Four Valiant Hearts (first overworld theme) The Four Warriors of Dawn is a song that goes really well with some of Galuf's badass moments in the game. In Search of Light, the final dungeon theme. The airship theme from FF7 uses part of this. And of course, Clash on the Big Bridge, Gilgamesh's theme which has been remixed many times. One of my favorite songs in the entire series. Another favorite of mine is FF2's Rebel Army theme which was posted earlier, I'm really glad it was in Theatrhythm, even if it was as one of the dumb event mode songs.
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Cakeequals posted:Seriously though, I really love the FFXIII-2 version of Battle on the Big Bridge. Yes!  NikkolasKing posted:Although I am glad to see some FFXII music love. It might not be the best soundtrack in the series but it has some amazing pieces. My favourite from XII is the Salikawood's theme, which Tactics Advance 2 improved like a lot. The same could be said about every XII song that shows up in TA2, really. 
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Jan 14, 2013 00:44
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That's all well and good, and I do love the music in pretty much all final fantasy games (SIX IS THE BEST!!) nothing compares to the opening theme from Chrono Cross. Absolutely nothing.
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I've heard Chrono Cross' soundtrack was even better than Xenogears'. That's some very high praise and I need to see if it's true one of these days. And I think Baten Kaitos has a better soundtrack than most FF games. There is not a single track in that game I don't absolutely love. I always heard about Mitsuda and Uematsu but it's a crime I heard so little about Sakuraba.
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The only good Final Fantasy song is Crazy Chocobo, nothing else comes close.
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NikkolasKing posted:I've heard Chrono Cross' soundtrack was even better than Xenogears'. That's some very high praise and I need to see if it's true one of these days. The gameplay is a little jumbled, and gets kind of long in the tooth by the time you get to the end, but I love the game nonetheless. I'm pretty hard on video game stories, but still thought it had a neat little plot, and yeah the music is just phenomenal. To be fair, I played it when it first came out, so I'm sure there's a good helping of "drat look at THAT" which seemed to happen with every new PSX rpg release. Still though, I played through it again last year or so and it held up pretty well. Here's the opening video to give you a taste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=923fVDDwaHo The style never really lets up. It's worth playing, especially now that you can it for ten or whatever on the PSN and play it on the couch or the Vita. Actually I should probably grab it and do that.
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NikkolasKing posted:I've heard Chrono Cross' soundtrack was even better than Xenogears'. That's some very high praise and I need to see if it's true one of these days. Chrono Cross is worth playing just for how goddamn good it looks and sounds. The story is kind of nonsense even if you're okay with what they did to connect it to Chrono Trigger but it's really aesthetically pleasing nonsense.
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Honestly Final Fantasy VII's battle theme is the best in the series and one of the best tracks in the entire series. I know it's FF7 but gently caress you that song loving owns Also yeah if only Chrono Cross the game was half as good as its soundtrack, it would have been amazing.
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Brother Entropy posted:Chrono Cross is worth playing just for how goddamn good it looks and sounds. The story is kind of nonsense even if you're okay with what they did to connect it to Chrono Trigger but it's really aesthetically pleasing nonsense. Unfortunately combat is unfun garbage, as is, like, any part of playing it that's not just going 'pretty graphics.......' Chrono Cross is a trash game for trash people.
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Francois Kofko posted:Unfortunately combat is unfun garbage, as is, like, any part of playing it that's not just going 'pretty graphics.......' Chrono Cross is a trash game for trash people. I'd love to get another game where Uemtasu and Mitsuda work together again, though maybe under better circumstances than CT. Fungah! posted:Now that being said, the game's still just jaw-droppingly gorgeous, especially for a PSX game, and the soundtrack is unbelievably excellent. If that's enough to get you through the game, NikkolasKing, then more power to you. Just don't expect a lot else out of it. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jan 14, 2013 |
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Francois Kofko posted:Unfortunately combat is unfun garbage, as is, like, any part of playing it that's not just going 'pretty graphics.......' Chrono Cross is a trash game for trash people. Beat me to posting this. Game's got an awesome aesthetic, but it made a ton of just stupid mistakes. The enormous cast sucked because only like five or six of them get any effort spent on them beyond a bad accent, setting elements sucked once you were more than halfway through the game, even with auto-assign, the combat is slow and not very interesting, and the story starts off strong but transforms into a black hole of bullshit and nonsense about halfway through the game. Now that being said, the game's still just jaw-droppingly gorgeous, especially for a PSX game, and the soundtrack is unbelievably excellent. If that's enough to get you through the game, NikkolasKing, then more power to you. Just don't expect a lot else out of it.
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The White Dragon posted:Well, y'know, they were experimenting with a "refinement" of the XG system. Didn't really work out so well, though, because while Stamina wasn't hard to understand, it was really easy to gently caress yourself and because of how invisible it was on the HUD, it really wasn't pick-up-and-play. Its a blue bar on the bottom of a character's status square, how do you miss that? There's also a number right below it as well. You just have to remember to Defend before using a big spell to regain your Stamina, then you won't be helpless for a couple turns while its negative.
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Fungah! posted:Beat me to posting this. Game's got an awesome aesthetic, but it made a ton of just stupid mistakes. The enormous cast sucked because only like five or six of them get any effort spent on them beyond a bad accent, setting elements sucked once you were more than halfway through the game, even with auto-assign, the combat is slow and not very interesting, and the story starts off strong but transforms into a black hole of bullshit and nonsense about halfway through the game. For what it's worth - I can barely ever play games where the gameplay isn't spot on. No amount of aesthetics or cool story or music or anything else can get me to play a game where I don't like the mechanics. I don't particularly LIKE the gameplay of Chrono Cross, but I don't think it's so terrible that it drags the game down in the same way that, like, Planescape:Torment's gameplay dragged that one down. The bizarre, surreal, dream-like atmosphere and incredible music are so so so good for me that they totally outrank the lackluster game part.
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Mill Village posted:Its a blue bar on the bottom of a character's status square, how do you miss that? There's also a number right below it as well.  Mostly because it's almost never blue (or even yellow or red on account of being empty 99% of the time), and because the Stamina value's font point is even smaller than the characters' names. In terms of visual design for how important it is, it sure gets minimal screen real estate. I honestly didn't even notice it myself until I'd had the game for like four years and tried replaying it to hopefully finish it that time (I did, much to my own disappointment). The system even seems to encourage doing huge combos--especially because of the accuracy mechanic and the actually arcane Field Type--and not once does it tell you that "oh hey you're gonna have -6.0 stamina after doing this" or even make it very clear where it indicates why stamina regenerates faster or slower for characters (a static value unique to each individual that can only be found on the Status screen). I mean it's not a hard game and you can fake it pretty deftly like I did as a kid, but god drat it's bad at explaining itself and you're often left wondering, "gee, why haven't I gotten a turn in like three rounds?" Fur20 fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Jan 14, 2013 |
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Yeah, the game doesn't bother to explain that part of the game, and its not something to really worry about early on, but it does help a lot once you get about halfway through the game.
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SE is still trying to make Versus a thing, apparently. Final Fantasy "We-are-going-to-drag-this-out-forever" Versus.
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They're intentionally leaving out the end bit of the title. It's actually Final Fantasy Versus Duke Nukem Forever for the Vaporware World Record. But if they're still around in fifteen years, I'm sure you'll get it then. I bet they'll still be making Fabula Nova Crystallis-series titles, too! v It sure works for Kingdom Hearts 
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The White Dragon posted:They're intentionally leaving out the end bit of the title. It's actually Final Fantasy Versus Duke Nukem Forever for the Vaporware World Record. But if they're still around in fifteen years, I'm sure you'll get it then. Of course they will! After all, the Ivalice and World of Mana ventures have paid off so well, which is why we're still getting games from both to this day.
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Come on SE, it's 2013, what better year than this one to finally release the drat game? 
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Mega64 posted:I will argue to the death that FF3 has some of the best music in the series. I will argue to the death that I agree with you. Even if I don't like every song in FF3's soundtrack, I'll say it's all pretty memorable and sets the mood very well. Easily one of the best NES soundtracks.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I'll counter this by saying a lot of that 415k they raised for cancer research came from other unattractive weirdo nerds (y'know, the kind of people who'd watch a five day videogame marathon) and being on-camera and having names and faces and personalities even if you think they're gross or dorky or whatever probably helped them raise more money than a faceless videogame window would've. People kept giving shout-outs or asking one of them to do a funny thing or whatever along with their donation note. People like to interact with people, even nerds they don't know. You put it better here than I ever could've. I mean, look at BlueGlass, he almost ended up becoming the 'face' for the marathon despite, and kinda due to, his goofy appearance, silly laugh, and goony appearance. I bet if you tallied up all the cash just attributed to him, either in shoutouts, or asking him to do something, say something, or assign money to a given goal, he himself pulled in at least $10k. And he comes off as a really cool guy to be around, and that's really what a lot of it is about, a lot of these guys are pretty fun, and seeing them having fun is pretty fun in itself. And more on topic, every year that passes, the less and less I believe that Versus will ever come out. What was the most recent actual thing we've seen from it? That trailer from a few years ago that barely had more than the original trailer? I'm thinking they've just got one guy on it doing random poo poo just so they can say they're "working on it" still. 
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Krad posted:Come on SE, it's 2013, what better year than this one to finally release the drat game? At this point they may as well just wait for the PS4 to come out...
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S-Alpha posted:What was the most recent actual thing we've seen from it? That trailer from a few years ago that barely had more than the original trailer? I'm thinking they've just got one guy on it doing random poo poo just so they can say they're "working on it" still. Some screenshots from 2011, I think. Whoopee. 
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The White Dragon posted:
I dunno, when stamina is one of only a few values shown for each character on the battle screen, it's not a big stretch to expect you to figure out what it does, especially when the game offers you tutorials. Also, as long as you're not using the few slow-rear end characters (as in, characters with less than 1.0 stamina recovery rate), there is virtually no downside to burning 6 of your 7 stamina points on physical attacks, then using a spell (taking you down to -6). Why? Because with 3 characters using their full stamina gauge, each character should regain at least 14 stamina by the time it's their turn again- meaning they will have full stamina. Every character, every round, I had every character go down to -6, and I always had full stamina by the next turn as long as no one had a status effect loving up stamina (where were very, very rare). CC did a lot of good things- visible enemies on the battlefield (which was still rare, years after Chrono Trigger), it got rid of MP while keeping magic and physicals different and preventing you from just spamming your strongest attacks endlessly, it had automatic healing after battle, and the "horrible level caps" meant there was no point in grinding. Grinding is dumb and terrible and it's slowed RPGs down forever. The CC system allowed them to arrange battles based on your ungrindable levels, keeping things interesting. Also, it had the elemental fields which could largely be ignored, but which could make a big difference in close battles. The music was great, the visuals were awesome, and the battle system really isn't as bad as many make it out to be. The story was a bit of a mess, though...
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