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33 and Water set up the show well enough that the miniseries is pretty missable if you hadn't seen it. The miniseries also has some pacing issues which the series didn't.
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Friendly Factory posted:The Woman King sucked poo poo, but season 2 had Black Market, Scar and Sacrifice in a row. Easily the low point of the entire series for me. Scar rules 
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Jan 20, 2013 23:44
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twoot posted:33 and Water set up the show well enough that the miniseries is pretty missable if you hadn't seen it. The miniseries also has some pacing issues which the series didn't. The mini series also features death by flashlight so who gives a poo poo about some pacing issues?
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Jan 20, 2013 23:47
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I watched the first two seasons without the miniseries (although I knew the basics, Adama is leading the fleet to find Earth, Baltar had something to do with the fall of the Colonies...) It made some things, like the cancer revelation, pretty cool.
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Rhyno posted:The mini series also features death by flashlight so who gives a poo poo about some pacing issues? And also sets up the different nature and atmosphere of the whole series really well.
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It's not until Tigh sarcastically says "We'll need 6 weeks in dry-dock just to hammer out the dings" in "A Day in the Life" did I really feel how hopeless everything is no matter what they find eventually. I mean, this is my third rewatch of the entire series so I know how it ends, but the thought of never finding another dock, never being able to repair the Galactica, never having an organized, modern civilization again scares the hell out of me. Realistically though, that's probably just my own umbilical-like attachment to technology and the downright phobia of somehow losing it. Series finale spoilers: It's probably also why the finale really, really stuck with me. Just the thought abandoning everything and living with what they have terrifies me more than any real, tangible threat. I don't hate it because it gave me a good scare, so to speak. I should probably see someone about this, I think.
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Jan 21, 2013 09:09
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I've watched this show three times as well. The second time through I eventually started listening to RDM's podcasts/commentaries right after each episode (beginning with Black Market because I was curious about what went wrong with that episode, but I kept it up through the end). I tend to like dark shows, and BSG is about as dark as they come. I think part of the reason I re-watched it the third time was because I was feeling nostalgic about some of the characters who don't make it to the end and wanted to see the show at the beginning again when they're all still alive.
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Jan 21, 2013 13:20
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The idea of so much lost knowledge and experience just overwhelms me every time I see a doctor, scientist, or specialist of some sort. I guess that comes with any post-apocalyptic story, but here it really sticks with me.
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Jan 21, 2013 13:39
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Hakkesshu posted:Scar rules  Scar was awesome. If you really hate Starbuck I guess it's a tough one. The miniseries is really necessary as you go farther into the series. Having watched the series like...three times now, I'm only becoming more impressed with how well the miniseries sets up the themes of the show.
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Starbuck is one of my favourite characters, but Scar was just boring.
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omg chael crash posted:The idea of so much lost knowledge and experience just overwhelms me every time I see a doctor, scientist, or specialist of some sort. I guess that comes with any post-apocalyptic story, but here it really sticks with me. It freaked out a lot of people, which is why I think most people have trouble with that part of the ending. It's completely understandable, because we take it all for granted and have never really lived without it.
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1st AD posted:Yeah I think the technobabble behind it was that longer jumps require increasingly complex calculations and are more error prone/will lead you to jumping into stuff you don't want to jump into. Right from the series bible: quote:"Practically speaking the further one attempts to Jump, the more difficult the calculations and the more variables are introduces into the equations. For example, consider the difficulties inherent in Jumping to a relatively nearby star system "only" five light years away: any information Galactica can gather by looking through a telescope is, by definition, five years old. The star and all the planets surrounding it have been in motion for five years since the light we can see left that system. This means that Galactica must calculate the motion of all the celestial bodies in that system based on information that is five years old. The further away the Jump point, the greater the problem - try to jump 100 light years, and you have a century's worth of calculations to do. The whole jumping issue isn't really touched upon much except for the evacuation of Anders' group from Caprica and the last season.
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Friendly Factory posted:Starbuck is one of my favourite characters, but Scar was just boring. Really? I liked it, but I like any episode that gives us an insight of the day-to-day lives of the soldiers in Galactica. I haaaaattteee Cat so it balances it out, but I didn't think Scar was a boring episode, just a bit quiet.
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Just finished Dirty Hands it has to be, hands down, my favorite episode now. I like seeing the less exciting, harder parts of the fleet from time to time and this really nails how bleak their lives are.
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DarkCrawler posted:Really? I liked it, but I like any episode that gives us an insight of the day-to-day lives of the soldiers in Galactica. I haaaaattteee Cat so it balances it out, but I didn't think Scar was a boring episode, just a bit quiet. I like scar solely because it's an episode that focuses on non-human Cylons. The idea that raiders and centurions were intelligent beings was one thing that was not given enough time in the series. For a show that focused so much on ideas of blind hate and bigotry, they made sure that all the main good guys and bad guys were good looking white people. The few episodes where they mention Centurion culture (they were the ones who originated monotheism), and Scar, were they point out that Scar knows what it's like to be killed in battle, probably many times, are glimpses of a BSG where it's actually humans against sentient robots instead of humans against fake humans...
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Jan 22, 2013 02:06
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Why do so many people hate Kat so much? I never got the fan hatred of that character.
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I like her more than Starbuck. At least she's a loving likable person. Also, I'm in the middle of a season 3 first-timewatch: I'm a little frustrated they're spending so much time with the cylons. I get why, but I just don't find their scenes as interesting. Anyone else have the same frustration?
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CelestialScribe posted:I like her more than Starbuck. At least she's a loving likable person. Also, I'm in the middle of a season 3 first-timewatch: Yep. I've said it a few times in this thread but the Cylon focus and the Final Five were things I didn't agree with and radically altered the feel of BSG.
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Sorry, I'm putting this in spoilers because I'm not sure of the protocol here: They haven't revealed the Final Five yet, but man, it's such bullshit. I just know it's going to be five main characters that will have absolutely no logic behind it, and it's just a way to keep the "gasp! Who's a cylon?!" poo poo going longer.
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Milky Moor posted:Yep. I've said it a few times in this thread but the Cylon focus and the Final Five were things I didn't agree with and radically altered the feel of BSG. I wouldn't have minded the cylon focus if anything had ever come of it. Like if any of the cylons had really had any character or ever actually had a plan. The Plan only made all of it worse. It was so bad I didn't even finish watching it.
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The show was great when there were all these neat mystery's and thing we were wondering about. It was when we found out that neither the Cyclons nor the writers had a plan that things started to fall apart.
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The Cylons not having a plan only meant that the teaser lied to us and that they were just as hosed up as the human characters, which truly made them the children of humanity. edit: The Onion AV Club Very Special Episode article for BSG said it best that the show became less of a grim and semi-grounded sci-fi drama in Seasons 3 and 4 and more of a weird, art-house, experimental sci-fi drama. CPFortest fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jan 22, 2013 |
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Say what you want about who they are, but the revel and last 10 minutes of Crossroads PT2 is some of the best television I've ever seen.
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CPFortest posted:The Cylons not having a plan only meant that the teaser lied to us and that they were just as hosed up as the human characters, which truly made them the children of humanity. But they weren't the children of humanity, the robotic cylons were controlled by the human cylons who were made by the final five cylons.
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^^^ the robotic cylons were made by the Colonials thoughomg chael crash posted:Say what you want about who they are, but the revel and last 10 minutes of Crossroads PT2 is some of the best television I've ever seen. It was the most Lost that BSG got. You just sit there, having experienced the craziest thing ever.
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socialsecurity posted:But they weren't the children of humanity, the robotic cylons were controlled by the human cylons who were made by the final five cylons. On a character, mythological, and thematic level though, the Cylons will always be the children of humanity. Hell, the Final Five Cylons are comprised of the most emotionally immature, hosed up characters in the whole series. This was the thesis statement of Season 4, and to some extent Season 3, that there's a very thin line between human and Cylon, and maybe that line doesn't need to exist. CPFortest fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jan 22, 2013 |
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So I just started season 1. They just found "Kobold". Why can't Starbuck gently caress Gaius without Apollo getting his panties in a bunch and people socking eachother in the face? I'm missing something I think. Edit: OhHolyFuck the end of season 1 
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Season 2 is best season, I think the arc from the end of season 1 Adama being shot and Kobol through to the Pegasus arc and the election plus political fighting around New Caprica is just some of the best television aired.
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Chairman Capone posted:Why do so many people hate Kat so much? I never got the fan hatred of that character. Her voice. It grates on my nerves.
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The Tigh/Caprica 6 relationship is still really stupid after 4 years and three complete re-watches. I don't know why, but it grates on me worse than Kat's voice any day.
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I wish there was more sci-fi television because BSG was sort of bland after awhile and the designs and premise wasn't very compelling to me.quote:Moore: Kara is what you want her to be. It’s easy to put the label on her of “angel” or “messenger of God” or something like that. Kara Thrace died and was resurrected and came back and took the people to their final end. ugh I think if the Cylons would have died instead of respawning it would have been a lot better. No tension at all after awhile and the soundtrack for the whole show was tedious.
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MVP posted:I think if the Cylons would have died instead of respawning it would have been a lot better. No tension at all after awhile and the soundtrack for the whole show was tedious. Wow you think that they should have been just like humans and after you killed them they died? Also the tension came from them respawning meant that you could never really beat them. They would just keep coming and learning. Also the music was great. Bear McCreary is an awesome composer.
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MVP posted:the soundtrack for the whole show was tedious. I think you're probably the only guy who's ever thought this.
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Jan 24, 2013 06:37
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Does anyone know this song? I feel like I've heard this in a few tv shows/movies before.
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River posted:Does anyone know this song? Its one version of the Battlefield theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0Tmydj29M
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Is Crossroads Pt 2 when Kara is playing with her father or whatever crazy poo poo? That legit owned and was creepy and awesome to boot. Edit: nevermind, I'm talking about someone to watch over me. der juicen fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jan 25, 2013 |
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CelestialScribe posted:I'm a little frustrated they're spending so much time with the cylons. I get why, but I just don't find their scenes as interesting. Anyone else have the same frustration? There are so many problems with the Cylons in the end. I mean,the fact that they didn't have a plan in the end is pretty bad, but I think the biggest problem is the show's constant attempt to draw some moral equivalency with humans and Cylons. You hear a variation of "Maybe humanity doesn't deserve to live" in every episode. Usually accompanied with a nice heaping of  What. Maybe humanity doesn't deserve to live? Let's see, genocide, rape, slavery, forced breeding, terrorism, constant hunting of the last survivors for years, tyranny, forced imprisonment - did I miss anything? And literally every member of the species is shown to be personally guilty of these excesses thanks to the fact that we are explicitly, deliberately shown that Cylons are a freaking full democracy. Humanoid Cylons are awful, awful beings and yet the show tries to tell us that humans are no better? Everyone who was part of the original enslavement of mechanical Cylons was long dead or dying by the time that the show started. Are we supposed to believe that Boxey is somehow guilty of that by the virtue of being born as a human or something? "But DarkCrawler," you say, "Humans do awful things too in the series" yes, with their backs to the wall in a way that can't be compared to anything in real world history - and as individual actions as opposed to taking a vote each time to do something horrible. And at no point in the show do they come even remotely close to the degree of bad, bad poo poo that the Cylons do in pretty much every single episode while holding absolute and total supremacy over the humans in every conceivable way. And then there is no redemption for the Cylons at the end. Sure, SOME OF THEM join the humans but they do it because they have no freaking choice. They free the enslaved mechanical Cylons but just so they have a weapon to use against Cavil who doesn't tolerate their fundamentalist religion. At no point they say "hey, sorry about the whole wiping out your entire race thing" to the humans or "man, too bad about us enslaving you for decades and forcing you to die horribly over and over again after you gave us life" to the mechanical Cylons. Nope, they just demand the same political rights over unselflessly aiding humans and hang their pictures right next to the people they brutally murdered in an nuclear fire or tried to murder a dozen times afterwards until they finally succeeded. You think they ever gave the Raiders or Centurions a vote on electing a representative to the Captain's Council even after freeing them? Highly doubt it. They are literally guilty of the exact same sin that they blame humanity for - enslaving an sentient thinking race - AND they are guilty of this with the benefit of hindsight. And then they are guilty of so many horrific, disgusting crimes that if I made a list of each individual act in the series it would probably have like a hundred different bullet points in it. And they escape of scot-free. At no point do we see any of the Cylons realize the mindblowing awful sins they are guilty of and collapse in a blubbering mess of tears and self-hatred. Athena is literally the sole Cylon who redeems herself - and we finally realize this when she has no loving problem with wiping out her horrible, lovely race from the annals of history in "A Measure of Salvation". At least humanity is constantly forced to face it's sins over and over again in the show - even a single scene with a Cylon walking down the halls of some wrecked ship and seeing the desolation they have brought on innocent people would have gone a long way. I know why they split from the humans at the finale. Because holy poo poo were those motherfuckers going to get a badly sharpened bone knife straight into their murdering backs the minute the Basestar disappeared over the horizon. Oh yeah, and they gave the basestar to the centurions for the same reason too because after things were finally done there was going to be a bloody revolution coming. That's what ruined the Cylons for me. I mean, I've got more problems with the show never actually following the themes it constantly preached about, but that's the problem with this one particular instance. MVP posted:the soundtrack for the whole show was tedious. You shut your whore mouth. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jan 25, 2013 |
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You should be a character on the show.
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General Battuta posted:You should be a character on the show. Well, I figure every single human who wasn't having sex with one of the Cylons probably shared my viewpoint.
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twoot posted:Its one version of the Battlefield theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0Tmydj29M Thanks. Just watched "The Plan." Cavill is loving awesome.
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