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Alaemon
Jan 4, 2009

Proctors are guardians of the sanctity and integrity of legal education, therefore they are responsible for the nourishment of the soul.

nm posted:

Most mormon crim attorneys I know break the second and many break the first (also, coffee).

The law: sending people to hell since 18(whenever mormonism started).

The history of Mormonism stretches all the way back into Biblical times: 1823.

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Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

MoFauxHawk posted:

Also there are people who, when they don't get into their schools of choice, choose not to go to law school. So 12,000 fewer applicants doesn't mean 12,000 fewer people starting law school.

My figures are based on enrollment (red line on first chart) not apps.

Re: the T4 schools, won't fewer applicants mean T2 will need to lower their standards thus depriving T4 of their applicants?

Seems to me everyone below T14 will shift up. I know Texas A&M just bought Texas Weslyian. My guess is TW saw the writing.

Roger_Mudd fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jan 29, 2013

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

Roger_Mudd posted:

My figures are based on enrollment (red line on first chart) not apps.

Re: the T4 schools, won't fewer applicants mean T2 will need to lower their standards thus depriving T4 of their applicants?

Seems to me everyone below T14 will shift up. I know Texas A&M just bought Texas Weslyian. My guess is TW saw the writing.

Or TW saw that Detroit College of Law jumped up massively in the standings when they were picked up by Michigan State.

Zarkov Cortez
Aug 18, 2007

Alas, our kitten class attack ships were no match for their mighty chairs
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/how-newegg-crushed-the-shopping-cart-patent-and-saved-online-retail/

quote:

...

The company's plan to extract a patent tax of about one percent of revenue from a huge swath of online retailers was snuffed out last week by Newegg and its lawyers, who won an appeal ruling [PDF] that invalidates the three patents Soverain used to spark a vast patent war.

The ruling effectively shuts down dozens of the lawsuits Soverain filed last year against Nordstrom's, Macy's, Home Depot, RadioShack, Kohl's, and many others (see our chart on page 2). All of them did nothing more than provide shoppers with basic online checkout technology. Soverain used two patents, numbers 5,715,314 and 5,909,492, to claim ownership of the "shopping carts" commonly used in online stores. In some cases, it wielded a third patent, No. 7,272,639.

Soverain will lose the $2.5 million it stood to gain from Newegg, as well as two much bigger verdicts it won against Victoria's Secret and Avon. Those two companies were ordered to pay a total of almost $18 million, plus a "running royalty" of about one percent, after a 2011 trial. The ruling in the Newegg case is a total wipeout for a patent troll that had squeezed many millions from online retailers, was backed by big-firm lawyers, and was determined to collect hundreds of millions more.

For Newegg's Chief Legal Officer Lee Cheng, it's a huge validation of the strategy the company decided to pursue back in 2007: not to settle with patent trolls. Ever.

"We basically took a look at this situation and said, 'This is bullshit,'" said Cheng in an interview with Ars. "We saw that if we paid off this patent holder, we'd have to pay off every patent holder this same amount. This is the first case we took all the way to trial. And now, nobody has to pay Soverain jack squat for these patents."

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TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

nm posted:

Most mormon crim attorneys I know break the second and many break the first (also, coffee).

Utah has a thriving escort/sugar daddy business as well.

Huxian
Nov 12, 2008

"It's not just the swearing either. She's got quick fists too."

Roger_Mudd posted:

My figures are based on enrollment (red line on first chart) not apps.

Re: the T4 schools, won't fewer applicants mean T2 will need to lower their standards thus depriving T4 of their applicants?

Seems to me everyone below T14 will shift up. I know Texas A&M just bought Texas Weslyian. My guess is TW saw the writing.

It might not necessarily help people get into the T14 either - some are cutting their enrollment.

Huxian fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Jan 29, 2013

Green Crayons
Apr 2, 2009

Paramour posted:

It might not necessarily help people get into the T14 either - most of the schools are cutting their enrollment.
There was a time when I would have wished to have pushed back my enrollment so as to better increase my chances of getting into a higher ranked school.

But now I remember that law school is bullshit and thank my luck that I'm almost done.

Stop
Nov 27, 2005

I like every pitch, no matter where it is.
.

Stop fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 14, 2013

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?
At the moment, I have a Russian specialist's degree (a 5-year graduate degree) in civil law and a LLM in intellectual property law, plus about 5 years of experience working on patents for the local office of an international law firm. If I wish to move to England and eventually become a solicitor there, what would be the best way to do that, in regards to courses/conversions/qualifications?

Huxian
Nov 12, 2008

"It's not just the swearing either. She's got quick fists too."

Stop posted:

Is that really the case? I haven't heard anything about NYU cutting its enrollment numbers and I am kinda skeptical that T-14 schools would intentionally make less money by admitting less students.

I know Columbia cut their class by about 100 and Northwestern is either planning to cut their enrollment or has done so already. I should've said some instead of most, my bad.

Huxian fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jan 29, 2013

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Patent examining would be a lot better if we could depose third parties!

e: Especially in internet bullshit, where examiners have no idea how things actually worked on the backend if there isn't an associated patent filing. Google's probably the best insofar as it somewhat documents how its stuff works in blog postings and the like, but the serious backend database people (Oracle, HP, Microsoft, etc.) have a bunch of opaque documentation on their software that rarely says how it actually works, meaning that trying to apply commercially-available-software-as-prior-art is usually pretty drat hard. I know I've had to track down old versions of Adobe Reader where I could authenticate the date of the version in some way (usually through wikipedia) in order to present a prima facie case that the prior art taught a particular interface functionality, for instance, because nobody documented poo poo anywhere.

WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Jan 29, 2013

Stop
Nov 27, 2005

I like every pitch, no matter where it is.
.

Stop fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 14, 2013

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Baruch Obamawitz posted:

Patent examining would be a lot better if we could depose third parties!

e: Especially in internet bullshit, where examiners have no idea how things actually worked on the backend if there isn't an associated patent filing. Google's probably the best insofar as it somewhat documents how its stuff works in blog postings and the like, but the serious backend database people (Oracle, HP, Microsoft, etc.) have a bunch of opaque documentation on their software that rarely says how it actually works, meaning that trying to apply commercially-available-software-as-prior-art is usually pretty drat hard. I know I've had to track down old versions of Adobe Reader where I could authenticate the date of the version in some way (usually through wikipedia) in order to present a prima facie case that the prior art taught a particular interface functionality, for instance, because nobody documented poo poo anywhere.

And most examiners don't even seem to make that much effort - I do a lot of litigation in the 3G standards-essential patent arena and the number of times I've said "well, the pre-existing standard anticipates their patent" shocks me. For a lot of examiners, it seems like if it isn't in WEST or EAST they don't even try to locate it.

(I know you guys have limited time per action, but god, my current case is just frustratingly bad examiner after frustratingly bad examiner.)

The Warszawa
Jun 6, 2005

Look at me. Look at me.

I am the captain now.

Stop posted:

Oh wow, that's pretty huge. It's still a little bizarre that schools like Columbia would cut a full quarter of their class. Columbia applications are probably down a fair amount, but its not like dropping the LSAT average of their accepted students by 2 or 3 points would hurt their US News rankings any.

Student to faculty ratios play a big part in rankings, too, though, and I think "class size" does as well but I'm not sure.

Stop
Nov 27, 2005

I like every pitch, no matter where it is.
.

Stop fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 14, 2013

Huxian
Nov 12, 2008

"It's not just the swearing either. She's got quick fists too."
And the difference in LSAT medians is actually pretty minuscule. Yale's was something like a 173, while Georgetown's was a 169. If I remember correctly, LSAT/GPA also end up being roughly 25% of the USNWR rankings. (So it might be better for Columbia to cut enrollment in order to keep their medians up.)

MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Stop posted:

Oh wow, that's pretty huge. It's still a little bizarre that schools like Columbia would cut a full quarter of their class. Columbia applications are probably down a fair amount, but its not like dropping the LSAT average of their accepted students by 2 or 3 points would hurt their US News rankings any.

Yes, it would. They're #4. If they drop below Chicago or NYU, their dean and admissions dean get in trouble.

Stop
Nov 27, 2005

I like every pitch, no matter where it is.
.

Stop fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Mar 14, 2013

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Ephemeron posted:

At the moment, I have a Russian specialist's degree (a 5-year graduate degree) in civil law and a LLM in intellectual property law, plus about 5 years of experience working on patents for the local office of an international law firm. If I wish to move to England and eventually become a solicitor there, what would be the best way to do that, in regards to courses/conversions/qualifications?

AFAIK, you want this page, make sure you can get a Certificate of Eligibility, and then, assuming your jurisdiction's on there, take this test.

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.
Finally, something I care about :

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pe...-based/c5c6fqL5

J Miracle
Mar 25, 2010
It took 32 years, but I finally figured out push-ups!

10-8 posted:

But what if IP conflicts with my animal rights law course?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: animal law owns f u.


It might not be useful for everybody in their jerbs but it basically gave me a huge leg up on certain types of con law issues like vagueness, overbreadth, procedural due process, etc (no etc its actually just those three) which has helped, on occasion. Plus, you know, puppies.

Also also there tend to be a lot of girls in the Student Animal Legal Defense Fund, so there's that

woozle wuzzle
Mar 10, 2012
I took a fluffy 3L course on the history of law, and the grade was an independent research thesis instead of an exam. My thesis was entitled: "DOG LAW: THE LAW OF DOGS". I got an A. It was illustrated. I didn't get hired anyplace.

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

woozle wuzzle posted:

I took a fluffy 3L course on the history of law, and the grade was an independent research thesis instead of an exam. My thesis was entitled: "DOG LAW: THE LAW OF DOGS". I got an A. It was illustrated. I didn't get hired anyplace.

I took a military justice class 2L year. I wrote a paper about bringing PMCs under the authority of the UCMJ and titled it, "Leashing the Dogs of War."

Into the paper, I slipped in the titles of 25 different video games and directly cited to Metal Gear Solid.

I got a B+.

Sulecrist
Apr 5, 2007

Better tear off this bar association logo.

HiddenReplaced posted:

I took a military justice class 2L year. I wrote a paper about bringing PMCs under the authority of the UCMJ and titled it, "Leashing the Dogs of War."

Into the paper, I slipped in the titles of 25 different video games and directly cited to Metal Gear Solid.

I got a B+.

HR already knows this but I took the same class, wrote about BIG SPACE COMBAT LAW, cited to wikipedia, talked about sweet sweet coilguns, and included a number of puns. A- and got it published as a student note.

EDIT: to be fair, HR's was cooler and I didn't have any video game references.

Bushido Brown
Mar 30, 2011

Paramour posted:

I know Columbia cut their class by about 100 and Northwestern is either planning to cut their enrollment or has done so already. I should've said some instead of most, my bad.

This is incorrect. CLS cut the incoming class size by about 40 people. I think the target for this cycle is 360-ish again.

It'll be interesting to see if they just increase the transfer class size by 40. It wouldn't surprise me.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
The closest I come to animal law is ADA violations, which I always love to see come in the door. There are a bunch of scumbag small business owners (redundant, I know) who give people with service animals grief, or try to charge them "pet fees," which means I get to send out an easy yet oh-so-satisfying "gently caress you, pay me" letter threatening to call the DOJ if they don't. Fines of up to $55,000 for a first offense, and private actions allow for fees under statute. The ADA owns.

Stop
Nov 27, 2005

I like every pitch, no matter where it is.
.

Stop fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Mar 14, 2013

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

woozle wuzzle posted:

I took a fluffy 3L course on the history of law, and the grade was an independent research thesis instead of an exam. My thesis was entitled: "DOG LAW: THE LAW OF DOGS". I got an A. It was illustrated. I didn't get hired anyplace.

Our jurisprudence final was on one of the ruba'i of Omar Khayyam. I contrasted it with DEVO's Smart Patrol/ Mr. DNA. I got an A.

Petey
Nov 26, 2005

For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow? Who can tell them what will happen under the sun after they are gone?

Bushido Brown posted:

It'll be interesting to see if they just increase the transfer class size by 40. It wouldn't surprise me.

This is a trick that undergrad schools do sometimes. Another is binding early admissions programs and waitlists, since both have nearly 100% yield (and yield is a factor in most ranking systems).

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

Petey posted:

This is a trick that undergrad schools do sometimes. Another is binding early admissions programs and waitlists, since both have nearly 100% yield (and yield is a factor in most ranking systems).

That'll at least make the TTT sticker a tiny bit more worth it. Until firms catch on and start auto-dinging transfers, that is.

Bro Enlai
Nov 9, 2008

I was amused by this bit of candidness from the D.C. Circuit:

quote:

Although the judges of this circuit would uniformly prefer to continue hiring law clerks pursuant to the Federal Law Clerk Hiring Plan, it has become apparent that the plan is no longer working. Because participation in the plan is voluntary, a significant percentage of all United States circuit judges must agree to follow it if it is to work appropriately. During the past few years, a significant and increasing number of circuit judges around the country have hired in advance of the plan’s interview and offer dates, and it is likely that they will continue to do so. As a result, continued adherence to the plan is no longer fair and equitable to either students or judges.

We stand ready to work with the judges of the other circuits to develop an appropriate successor to the current plan. In the meantime, however, the judges of this circuit will hire law clerks at such times as each individual judge determines to be appropriate. We have agreed that none of us will give “exploding offers,” that is, offers that expire if not accepted immediately. Rather, when a judge of this circuit gives a candidate an offer, the candidate will have a reasonable time to consider the offer and interview with other judges before accepting or declining. Additional practices applicable to individual judges may be found on the judges’ OSCAR pages.

On the topic of clerkships, I understand the Supreme Court of Palau is recruiting for three 2013-14 positions, deadline March 1. Email me (albiewangsta at gmail) if you want a copy of the announcement.

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.

Bro Enlai posted:

On the topic of clerkships, I understand the Supreme Court of Palau is recruiting for three 2013-14 positions, deadline March 1. Email me (albiewangsta at gmail) if you want a copy of the announcement.

Successful candidates will be required to put up me and SAM for several weekend trips, as well as determine which restaurants are currently supplied with coconut crab for the duration of said trips.

Applicants will be judged on their ability to pronounce Ngiraklsong correctly.

Huxian
Nov 12, 2008

"It's not just the swearing either. She's got quick fists too."

Bushido Brown posted:

This is incorrect. CLS cut the incoming class size by about 40 people. I think the target for this cycle is 360-ish again.

It'll be interesting to see if they just increase the transfer class size by 40. It wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, I'm an idiot, not really sure why I remembered "100". Didn't the admissions office say that they overenrolled?

Colorblind Pilot
Dec 29, 2006
Enageg!1
I was at a Coumbia Student Senate meeting tonight, and apparently when our Senate President asked the Dean why tuition keeps outpacing inflation, all the Dean could come up with was: "we still think law school is a good investment."

HiddenReplaced
Apr 21, 2007

Yeah...
it's wanking time.

TenementFunster posted:

There are a bunch of scumbag small business owners (redundant, I know)

What? People calling ibankers the devil I get, but now you're demonizing small business owners? What the gently caress is wrong with you?

I've never particularly enjoyed responding to demand letters from people repping plaintiffs with service animals, but I might take a little more pleasure in it next time after reading your post.

J Miracle
Mar 25, 2010
It took 32 years, but I finally figured out push-ups!

HiddenReplaced posted:

What? People calling ibankers the devil I get, but now you're demonizing small business owners? What the gently caress is wrong with you?

I've never particularly enjoyed responding to demand letters from people repping plaintiffs with service animals, but I might take a little more pleasure in it next time after reading your post.

We cool and all bro but tell them to just let the dog in, it ain't worth it

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!
There are people who have a problem with service dogs? I've only heard of people doubting them because the owner wasn't blind. Also, service dogs rule. I met a woman a few weeks ago whose service dog was trained to detect when her blood sugar was low by smell or something and would also physically stop her from getting behind the wheel if he felt a seizure was coming or her blood sugar was too low. I had no idea dogs could do that.

Wasn't there a goon lawyer with several cats in his office thanks to a couple people there getting a therapist to declare they would benefit from a service cat?

Abugadu
Jul 12, 2004

1st Sgt. Matthews and the men have Procured for me a cummerbund from a traveling gypsy, who screeched Victory shall come at a Terrible price. i am Honored.
If anyone's interested in working child support, I'll probably have an opening here at the end of Feb.

Need to have passed a bar in the states somewhere.

PM for details.

Nero
Oct 15, 2003

HiddenReplaced posted:

What? People calling ibankers the devil I get, but now you're demonizing small business owners? What the gently caress is wrong with you?

I've never particularly enjoyed responding to demand letters from people repping plaintiffs with service animals, but I might take a little more pleasure in it next time after reading your post.

He makes money by threatening small business owners that he will bankrupt them if they don't comply with one of the more byzantine federal laws, so I imagine if he doesn't demonize them it makes him feel bad (for being a bad person) (for $).

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MoFauxHawk
Jan 1, 2007

Mickey Mouse copyright
Walt Gisnep

Nero posted:

He makes money by threatening small business owners that he will bankrupt them if they don't comply with one of the more byzantine federal laws, so I imagine if he doesn't demonize them it makes him feel bad (for being a bad person) (for $).

gently caress byzantines and disabled people

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