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Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
In America we have a little institution called the FDA. They have to show you a tiny disclaimer in their adverts that they haven't submitted their claims to scientific scrutiny :fsmug:

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caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_hostage_crisis :ohdear:

Basically, a crazy guy took a tourist bus hostage and almost killed all the passengers with an automatic rifle. The whole event was a live broadcast. The city was in shock and glued to the TV seeing how bad and terrible the police in Manilla was in handling the situation. Then there's the sensitivity issue after the tragedy where people just go up to the bus and take photos for their face book wall and status. Which angered Hong Kongers even more and created a huge major back lash to this day :smith: Many overseas domestic workers from Philippines were afraid of losing the jobs from the racial back lash or afraid of going out to get mobbed :(

The only benefit is a much cheaper and easier time to get Philippines for a vacation.

Hey Imperialist Dog, you should come hang out in the China thread! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3413886 . We also have a WegoonChat https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ao_-L8ioMQ71dEs4V1o4M0x2WFpxSVlkYmVZbjhsc3c#gid=0 and wow the list just ballooned up. It's a massive chat channel but everyone there would love your poo pictures or whatever pictures you find! I'm a Hong Kong goon as well and hopefully we can get some goon meets going on in the city. Or play video games.

caberham fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jan 30, 2013

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Two years ago, a Hong Kong tour group got shot up in Manila during a hostage situation on a bus (pictured). It was sad.


But guess where I'm going for my Chinese New Year vacation? Top tier trips to the Philippines are cheap as hell, even during the peakest of the peak season. Carry on, blacklist!

Efb

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The ultimate victor of that incident seems to be Beijing, all things considered.

french lies
Apr 16, 2008

Imperialist Dog posted:

Not sure if this should be posted here or the "crazy political discussion" thread, but I got into an interesting argument last night on Twitter :suicide:
Mainland Chinese (and by extension, I guess, HK-ers) are absolutely obsessed with apologies. To take another recent example, the Chinese government has demanded since 2010 that the Norwegian government issue an official apology for the Peace Prize. Which is of course ridiculous, and completely impossible.

The latest update on that front is Yan Xuetong's suggestion that Norway take China's side in the Diaoyu island dispute to "make amends". That is, for our war crime of allowing a private foundation to issue a prize. Good luck with that.

I find it sort of telling that the CCP has never, to my knowledge, issued an official apology of any sort for the Great Leap Forward, or for the Cultural Revolution, or for any of the other numerous crimes it has committed against its own citizens. Apologies, to the CCP, imply loss of face and legitimacy. Which means their apology-extracting overtures amount to nothing more than a sort of fratboy hazing, meant to humiliate lesser nations without the leverage to stand up to them.

Edit: I guess I'm conflating ordinary citizens with the government here, so sorry about that.

french lies fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Jan 30, 2013

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

oops wrong China megathread

french lies
Apr 16, 2008
Welp, time to get this thread back on track:

Shanghaiist posted:

Outrage at mainland mother who let son poop at Taiwan airport

Not the best way to improve cross strait relations. A mainland Chinese mother has attracted online outrage after photos emerged of her letting her infant son poop on the floor at Taiwan airport, less than 25 metres away from a toilet.

The photo, published by NowNews, was taken by a Taiwanese tour guide. It shows the woman having spread out paper for the child to poop on, but the photographer said a toilet was less than a minute's walk away.

One Taiwanese blogger, quoted by the SCMP, said: "There aren't enough pubic toilets in China and the ones they do have are usually dirty. This might explain mainlanders' poor hygiene habits." While this statement, which smacks more than a little of xenophobia, might be true of public toilets in Chinese cities, toilets in Chinese airports are nearly always perfectly clean and hygienic.

On Weibo, Chinese netizens hung their heads in shame at their compatriot's actions. "This is so embarrassing", said one Chinese blogger.

A boy peeing out of the window of a bus in Xiamen late last year was later discovered to be an autistic, musical genius. Similar revelations seem less likely in this case.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Frankly the fact that she put down paper (and presumably cleaned up after her son) are amazing. Truly China is making great strides in the development of 文明* society! :china:

*The propaganda buzzword of the year. It means "cultured" and every city in interior China has slogans plastered everywhere declaring the local city to be a 文明 city and urging the people to be more 文明. It's a little stronger than "cultured" in the English language because the Chinese see themselves as extremely cultured and it's a pretty important ideal to educated Chinese.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Dammit, french lies, I came here to post that!

Ah well, have the picture:



Having used the toilet in Lanzhou Airport, I can say that " toilets in Chinese airports are nearly always perfectly clean and hygienic" is laughable and only applies to "rich" cities' major airports.

Requesting mods to change title to China Megathread-making GBS threads everywhere is the right of the Chinese people.

french lies
Apr 16, 2008
China Megathread: Street-making GBS threads and baby formula discussion zone :china:

When I worked at the Shanghai EXPO, I had several encounters with visitors that attempted to make their kids poo poo in the trash-cans inside the pavilion. When I pointed out that the toilet was literally just outside our pavilion, a lot of them were all like "well he/she's gotta go so bad!!" ("他太急了!"), like they could see nothing indecent about the whole thing.

I'll freely admit I was spouting the standard classist bullshit about suzhi and the countryside unironically for about a year after that.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
I've seen it in one of the most expensive malls in Beijing.

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

What exactly is the point of posting these street-making GBS threads photos? To show that the mainland Chinese are socially backward?

hitension
Feb 14, 2005


Hey guys, I learned Chinese so that I can write shame in another language
Yeah, although the action in the photos is in incredibly poor taste, I'm not sure the way to show how much more superior and civilized you are is by recording the incident and sharing it with the internet...

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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This thread explains why they had to post "Please don't poo poo in the garbage can" signs all over University of Toronto residences, considering the high number of Chinese students studying here.

flatbus
Sep 19, 2012

Fojar38 posted:

This thread explains why they had to post "Please don't poo poo in the garbage can" signs all over University of Toronto residences, considering the high number of Chinese students studying here.

The intersection between Chinese students who can afford overseas studies and people who poo poo in garbage cans is not particularly large.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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flatbus posted:

The intersection between Chinese students who can afford overseas studies and people who poo poo in garbage cans is not particularly large.

True. It could've just been some drunken gently caress, but it's strange that it'd be widespread enough for them to bother posting signs.

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Vegetable posted:

What exactly is the point of posting these street-making GBS threads photos? To show that the mainland Chinese are socially backward?

I think because people are upset and outraged that other people are taking shits on their street.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:

hitension posted:

Yeah, although the action in the photos is in incredibly poor taste, I'm not sure the way to show how much more superior and civilized you are is by recording the incident and sharing it with the internet...

Because media reports that street-making GBS threads is a Hong Kong myth made up to embarrass mainlanders/be chauvinistic. Sadly the pics are taken to prove that it happens and we're not making this poo poo up.


http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/one-country-two-systems-not-lately/

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Vladimir Putin posted:

I think because people are upset and outraged that other people are taking shits on their street.
I'm sure there's a SJW hive of street shitters out there somewhere who are just hearing about this thread and are eager to pounce, declare it a street making GBS threads safe space and admonish everyone to stop poo poo shaming.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Imperialist Dog posted:

Because media reports that street-making GBS threads is a Hong Kong myth made up to embarrass mainlanders/be chauvinistic. Sadly the pics are taken to prove that it happens and we're not making this poo poo up.


http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/one-country-two-systems-not-lately/

Well it does happen. I saw it in a park the second day after I first arrived in China, I went to a park in Beijing. And anybody who has been to China has noticed that babies there don't have diapers, just holes in their pants to facilitate street-making GBS threads.

I think it's more the idea that adults regularly practice it that is apocryphal.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Imperialist Dog posted:

Dammit, french lies, I came here to post that!

Ah well, have the picture:



Having used the toilet in Lanzhou Airport, I can say that " toilets in Chinese airports are nearly always perfectly clean and hygienic" is laughable and only applies to "rich" cities' major airports.

Requesting mods to change title to China Megathread-making GBS threads everywhere is the right of the Chinese people.

To be fair, that entire airport smells like piss.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Wait, guys, wait! There's still more to talk about on this baby formula thing.

Someone has gone so far as to start a White House petition about it.

WhiteHouse.gov posted:

Baby Hunger Outbreak in Hong Kong, International Aid Requested
Local parents in Hong Kong can hardly buy baby formula milk powder in drugstores and supermarkets, as smugglers from mainland China storm to this tiny city to buy milk powder and resell for huge profits in China. Many retailers stockpiled milk powder and are reluctant to sell to local parents as the shops can sell their stocks in big cartons to mainland smuggler for huge profits. Countries like Germany, the Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand exercise rationed sale to tourist buyers from China for milk powder but the Hong Kong government simply frame the situation as a matter of free trade and refuse to exercise law which is already there to stop cross-border smuggling. We request for international support and assistance as babies in Hong Kong will face malnutrition very soon. Emptyin

I have no idea what they expect Obama to do :confused:

edit: I'm signing this poo poo because I really want to see the response.

Deep State of Mind fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jan 31, 2013

Soy Division
Aug 12, 2004

China Megathread - Street making GBS threads and Baby Formula Discussion Zone

hitension
Feb 14, 2005


Hey guys, I learned Chinese so that I can write shame in another language
Why do I suspect the relevant foreign aid agencies have bigger fish to fry than HONG KONG of all places


Hong Kong people should just start to go to another nearby country that's even more uptight than they are (Japan?) and buy up all the formula there to compensate.
It would work perfectly because nobody in Japan is having babies anymore anyway.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
People who poo poo in the street, that kind is BASTARD.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Vegetable posted:

What exactly is the point of posting these street-making GBS threads photos? To show that the mainland Chinese are socially backward?

To rail up the Hong Kongers. I am all for it.

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

Bloodnose posted:

Wait, guys, wait! There's still more to talk about on this baby formula thing.

Someone has gone so far as to start a White House petition about it.


I have no idea what they expect Obama to do :confused:

edit: I'm signing this poo poo because I really want to see the response.

What shitheel would ask for international aid for loving HK when there's people in other countries starving to death. Like I'm sure as I write this post a couple kids literally starved to death.

hitension posted:

Why do I suspect the relevant foreign aid agencies have bigger fish to fry than HONG KONG of all places


Hong Kong people should just start to go to another nearby country that's even more uptight than they are (Japan?) and buy up all the formula there to compensate.
It would work perfectly because nobody in Japan is having babies anymore anyway.

It's not easy for Chinese people to get into Japan, as I recall. You have to apply for visas and all.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Hong Kong's birth rate is actually lower than Japan's, once you take out babies born to two non-permanent resident parents, who tend not to stay in the territory.

Modus Operandi
Oct 5, 2010
On a sidewalk in Bangkok the Chinese mother would have been forced to push the dog turds out of the way first so her son can have a clean spot to poo poo on.

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Bloodnose posted:

Hong Kong's birth rate is actually lower than Japan's, once you take out babies born to two non-permanent resident parents, who tend not to stay in the territory.

I wonder why that is. I mean the Japanese aren't having kids because they are loving wierdos. HKers though? I'd think they are the type to get married have kids and do all of that kind of poo poo.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Because families live in shoeboxes here, make an average of 19k a month and each kid costs approximately nine gajillion dollars in baby formula, pre pre school, pre school, kindergarten admissions counseling, kindergarten interview tutoring, kindergarten tuition, then fourteen years of exam prep in the form of six zillion hours of tutoring.

Also to earn that 19k a month, both parents have to work at least 50 hours a week, six days a week.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
^^^^
You forgot books. There are no hand me downs like public school in America. I wish schools would adpot open source text books and cheaper free software.

hitension posted:

Why do I suspect the relevant foreign aid agencies have bigger fish to fry than HONG KONG of all places


Hong Kong people should just start to go to another nearby country that's even more uptight than they are (Japan?) and buy up all the formula there to compensate.
It would work perfectly because nobody in Japan is having babies anymore anyway.

But people are still scared of Japanese radiation fears, so Japan is out of the question. None the less, we already do buy poo poo from overseas. There is a strong parallel import business. For a while my relatives were having fancy USDA approved organic baby formula from Wisconsin :doh: The families with more disposable income already buy formula from New Zealand or where ever. Sometimes they cross the border themselves and cave in to the hoarders and pay 4 times the retail price. That's the biggest thing nowadays as gifts, more so than expensive booze and cars. Tins and tins of milk powder.

The middle class families and poorer ones? If they can't lactate, they are screwed. Recently, there are random facebook groups popping up about a casual "milk bank". Which is great but there is one condition: Mothers must feed the babies on the spot because sometimes ladies would use it as a "milk mask" or re sell things :smith:

LimburgLimbo posted:

It's not easy for Chinese people to get into Japan, as I recall. You have to apply for visas and all.

God dammit, that's China and their communist red passports, they do have visa free travel to Iran and Cuba. Hongers can freely travel to Japan and other countries easily, but not Iran. To many Hongers, Japan is the ideal short holiday. Great food, clothes, and of course anime and video games. Many many Japanese companies set up shop in Hong Kong back in the 60's. So people here are mostly fond of Japan and the city went on a manhunt when 2 Japanese tourists were randomly assaulted during the car flipping ordeal.

caberham fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jan 31, 2013

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Vladimir Putin posted:

I wonder why that is. I mean the Japanese aren't having kids because they are loving wierdos. HKers though? I'd think they are the type to get married have kids and do all of that kind of poo poo.

Living condition is too crowded (see the ranting post form previous page for reasons).

Take the residential apartment you see on Hong Kong TV shows or movies, divide the space by ten. That's the actual living space normal Hong Kongers inhabit.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Bloodnose posted:

Also to earn that 19k a month, both parents have to work at least 50 hours a week, six days a week.

Globalization.txt

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

caberham posted:

Which is great but there is one condition: Mothers must feed the babies on the spot because sometimes ladies would use it as a "milk mask" or re sell things

Jesus Christ what is wrong with people?

You know what would work better? The blood of poor babies.

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich
How can people even be sure they are buying genuine formula even if they go to Hong Kong? It can't be that hard to fake the packaging and the profit margin on selling fake must be enormous.

quote:

Countries like Germany, the Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand exercise rationed sale to tourist buyers from China for milk powder but the Hong Kong government simply frame the situation as a matter of free trade and refuse to exercise law which is already there to stop cross-border smuggling. We request for international support and assistance as babies in Hong Kong will face malnutrition very soon.

If it's gotten to the point that people are hoarding formula from places out of the Pacific Rim, why hasn't American seen some of this crazy buying from tourists?

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
For those of you following along at home, that 19k average monthly household income in HK is in HKD and works out to about 2500 USD.

This is in a city where a 400 square foot home in an inconvenient neighborhood in the suburbs costs half a million dollars. Welcome to cyberpunk nightmare world.

Some light reading on the topic.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Chinese International students over seas claimed to have paid for their studies by selling baby formula :wtc:

Everything is relatively cheap in Hong Kong, except for housing. There is a massive waiting list to apply for government subsided ownership, and the average wait is 7 years. So lots of middle class kids or people with a bit more money apply for one once they hit 18 years old. In the past 10 years, there have been major land developments for private luxury residences and rich mainland Chinese have become a target market. So with a dire housing situation in Hong Kong, the perception of lack of basic goods, and the combination of Beijing controlled politics:

perhaps seeing kids poo poo on the street will make a lot of people snap and lose their poo poo. Which means a bigger crack down and political pressure from Beijing.

Blood nosed provided text, here are some pictures. Michael Wolf is one of my favourite photographers and he is good at capturing that feeling of the "HK Grind". One of his project is "100 x 100" where he just takes pictures of people living in low income government rental housing. They might look like PRO PRC Lao Wai or some old grandpa/grandma but living in small quarters takes a toll on their mind. Friend of mine is a social worker and has to deal with old people going ballistic and chopping their neighbours with a Chinese vegetable knife. Think angry grandpa with a cleaver instead of a shot gun :stare:

http://photomichaelwolf.com/#100x100/1

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Vladimir Putin posted:

How can people even be sure they are buying genuine formula even if they go to Hong Kong? It can't be that hard to fake the packaging and the profit margin on selling fake must be enormous.

Amusingly enough this post just landed on my Facebook wall, claiming (i think) fake milk formula has now been found in Hong Kong.

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french lies
Apr 16, 2008

Imperialist Dog posted:

Amusingly enough this post just landed on my Facebook wall, claiming (i think) fake milk formula has now been found in Hong Kong.


My best attempt (correct me please):

Everyone pay attention!!!!! Even HK-bought milk powder can be fake! Today my sister opened a can of milk powder! She discovered it contained less powder than usual! She talked to me after that! I compared it to another freshly opened can and it really contained much less! And then I tried tasting it! And it really was fake! Really sweet! The milk taste was barely there! Really weak! And the powder was white! [No idea what this means]! Deadly! Next time I'm going to the drugstore to get it! My mom knows how to order good formula! Really scary

God that was annoying to translate. Sorry for any mistakes.

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