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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Vagabundo posted:

So it turns out Collins appointed a friend of her husband to a top state service job, even going against advice from relevant officials.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10862947

I'm totally shocked by this. That's not like National at all!

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Mister Panos
Jan 26, 2011

WarpedNaba posted:

There are like a thousand and one things reminding us of that whenever you take a bus into town. Why do we need one more?

Now that you mention it, I can't remember this many homeless/mentally disabled out wandering the streets since...well ever really.

Maybe I just grew older and started noticing them all? Or maybe National's gutting cuts to social welfare, mental health facilities and city councils are beginning to rear their ugly head?

Mister Panos
Jan 26, 2011

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784735

quote:

No, if Maori want Waitangi Day for themselves, let them have it. Let them go and raid a bit more kai moana than they need for the big, and feed themselves silly, speak of the injustices heaped upon them by the greedy Pakeha and work out new ways of bamboozling the Pakeha to come up with a few more millions.

Burn, you old bastard.

e: when not being a racist old bastard, Holmes used to make sweet sweet country music
http://open.spotify.com/track/09jkQhFHhfMJGNVb0zEiCe

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8257869/Shearer-confirmed-as-Labour-leader

No membership vote for leader as David Shearer was confirmed by the caucus. Although I don't think any one was running against him so it is hardly a surprise.
also

quote:

Last year he had faced a threat to his leadership when he and David Cunliffe went head to head after the party's conference.

That is a bit different to what I recall as David Cunliffe didn't really stand against him and he got 100% of the caucus vote so it was hardly head to head.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Shearer saw Cunliffe coming from a mile away and took him out well before he could make a challenge.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

hairypanis posted:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10784735


Burn, you old bastard.

e: when not being a racist old bastard, Holmes used to make sweet sweet country music
http://open.spotify.com/track/09jkQhFHhfMJGNVb0zEiCe

He did say before he died that he'd a lot of stupid poo poo and that he regretted upsetting a lot of people who didn't deserve his bullshit, so maybe he came good in the end. That album though, yeesh.

Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

ClubmanGT posted:

That album though, yeesh.

Didn't he have some record for the most returned album for that year?

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

mirthdefect posted:

Didn't he have some record for the most returned album for that year?

It's Haumoana music, draw your own conclusions.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

It is Waitangi day tomorrow where we can all get together and play our traditional NZ game of blaming everything on the 'blaaaady maaaaaaris' or the 'evil white motherfuckers'.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I came here to post that. You son of a bitch. :argh:

Mister Panos
Jan 26, 2011

Varkk posted:

It is Waitangi day tomorrow where we can all get together and play our traditional NZ game of blaming everything on the 'blaaaady maaaaaaris' or the 'evil white motherfuckers'.



I've already got bingo from my Facebook feed alone and it isn't even Waitangi day. :toot:

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.
This is missing "1835 Deceleration of Independence".

Lemonus
Apr 25, 2005

Return dignity to the art of loafing.
I am trying to find some cool primary source material relating to New Zealand and the Sea - an editor at Lapham's Quarterly is all ears.

1. A high quality image of an artwork of Maui pulling up the North Island out of the sea
and/or
2. Some sort of primary source account of those kayakers that were the first to cross the ditch

Searching right now but no luck yet



Also, The NBR printed a thing from Rodney Hide:

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/southern-slave-owner-vs-modern-democratic-state-lf-135202

The fact that some editor at the National Business Review looked at this and literally thought 'hey ok print that' or that this article is a literal opinion of anyone is this real like wtf

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

Lemonus posted:

The fact that some editor at the National Business Review looked at this and literally thought 'hey ok print that' or that this article is a literal opinion of anyone is this real like wtf

The editor of the NBR looked at it and probably saw the site traffic and number of comments it has generated. Seriously there's reason why Hyde/Odgers et al have their opinion pieces outside the paywell and not behind it.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Lemonus posted:

I am trying to find some cool primary source material relating to New Zealand and the Sea - an editor at Lapham's Quarterly is all ears.

1. A high quality image of an artwork of Maui pulling up the North Island out of the sea
and/or

Searching right now but no luck yet

Children's picture books maybe?

Googled a bit:



[same artist]

Coffee Grindr
Jul 4, 2008
Stimulating
Guess who isn't receiving their pay tomorrow?

Thanks novopay!

Brain In A Jar
Apr 21, 2008

It's okay though, the people who OKed the system and then lied to you repeatedly that it would be fixed get to keep their jobs because everyone makes mistakes, they're only human after all.

Smithersnz
May 10, 2005

We freaked out yesterday. Let's just freak in tonight
Soiled Meat
18 months to 2 years to fix Novopay:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863674

At my partners school every teacher was underpaid this week, since Novopay thought they started later than they did, and apparently that means they get paid less. Awesome.

Brain In A Jar
Apr 21, 2008

Smithersnz posted:

18 months to 2 years to fix Novopay:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10863674

At my partners school every teacher was underpaid this week, since Novopay thought they started later than they did, and apparently that means they get paid less. Awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgpDN-bARwc

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.
My Dad has been around the Auckland Waterfront having coffee and lunch and poo poo because it's a day off. Apparently a Place called Degree has a sign saying "due to Government policy there is a surcharge"

:psyduck: springs to mind.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Solus posted:

My Dad has been around the Auckland Waterfront having coffee and lunch and poo poo because it's a day off. Apparently a Place called Degree has a sign saying "due to Government policy there is a surcharge"

:psyduck: springs to mind.

Almost every Cafe does this on public holidays.

Hoplosternum
Jun 2, 2010

:parrot:

OLIVIAS WILDE RIDER posted:

Almost every Cafe does this on public holidays.

I think what Solus is getting at, is that this particular cafe owner is pissed off about the guberment making today a public holiday so that he/she has to pay employees time and a half. drat Maoris, it's their fault you are getting a surcharge today.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Considering that you kinda have to force people in my workforce to take a day off, I can see why some businesses would charge extra.

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.

OLIVIAS WILDE RIDER posted:

Almost every Cafe does this on public holidays.

I don't think the government makes you put a Surcharge up on public holidays.

Soviet Space Dog
May 7, 2009
Unicum Space Dog
May 6, 2009

NOBODY WILL REALIZE MY POSTS ARE SHIT NOW THAT MY NAME IS PURPLE :smug:

Solus posted:

I don't think the government makes you put a Surcharge up on public holidays.

It does force you to pay time and a half, if a business wants to cover it with a surcharge or not is up to the business.

Torka
Jan 5, 2008

I'm pretty okay with paying a bit extra for coffee or food prepared by people who dragged their rear end to work on a public holiday while I slept in, seems like only an unreasonable rear end in a top hat wouldn't be.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/key-slams-protesters-during-peaceful-waitangi-celebrations-5334477

quote:

Key said a small but vocal few are apparently unable to see the world through any lens other than that of Maori disadvantage and seem to be "permanently aggrieved and rarely constructive".

:qq: :qq: :qq: :qq: :qq: :qq: :qq:

Beartaco
Apr 10, 2007

by sebmojo
Spoken like a true honky.

roarshark
Apr 7, 2002
i got killed by black bugs on my video game

Torka posted:

I'm pretty okay with paying a bit extra for coffee or food prepared by people who dragged their rear end to work on a public holiday while I slept in, seems like only an unreasonable rear end in a top hat wouldn't be.

Presumably you'd be okay with paying a bit extra at any business with employees that opened on a public holiday then? After all, why is it only the hospitality industry that deserves your generosity? gently caress it, let's pay a surcharge at petrol stations, supermarkets and chemists. After all, we wouldn't want to be assholes, would we.

Torka
Jan 5, 2008

roarshark posted:

Presumably you'd be okay with paying a bit extra at any business with employees that opened on a public holiday then? After all, why is it only the hospitality industry that deserves your generosity? gently caress it, let's pay a surcharge at petrol stations, supermarkets and chemists. After all, we wouldn't want to be assholes, would we.

Since going to a restaurant or cafe is a luxury and the purchase of petrol or basic foodstuffs is a necessary service, I don't feel that you've made a fair comparison. It's quite possible that some parts of the retail or service industries that don't currently have holiday surcharges would be justified in adding them though, certainly.

Felix_Cat
Sep 15, 2008

roarshark posted:

Presumably you'd be okay with paying a bit extra at any business with employees that opened on a public holiday then? After all, why is it only the hospitality industry that deserves your generosity? gently caress it, let's pay a surcharge at petrol stations, supermarkets and chemists. After all, we wouldn't want to be assholes, would we.

Certainly any business where the labour used on the day constitutes a significant part of their costs (so not so much petrol), sure.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

roarshark posted:

Presumably you'd be okay with paying a bit extra at any business with employees that opened on a public holiday then? After all, why is it only the hospitality industry that deserves your generosity? gently caress it, let's pay a surcharge at petrol stations, supermarkets and chemists. After all, we wouldn't want to be assholes, would we.

That sounds perfectly reasonable.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

roarshark posted:

Presumably you'd be okay with paying a bit extra at any business with employees that opened on a public holiday then? After all, why is it only the hospitality industry that deserves your generosity? gently caress it, let's pay a surcharge at petrol stations, supermarkets and chemists. After all, we wouldn't want to be assholes, would we.

The cost of luxuries going up is one thing. The cost of living, on the other hand, is already a problem as-is.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

http://blog.labour.org.nz/2013/02/07/performance-pay-for-teachers-2/

Oh look someone in Treasury wants to implement performance based pay for teachers, must be one of those days ending in a 'y'.
They still haven't addressed the issue surrounding how to accurately measure a teacher's performance when there are so many variables which factor in to a person's education and achievement. Also since Novopay is doing such a stunning job with normal pay for teachers and other school staff, I am sure adding in extra complication of variable rates for teachers will work out swimmingly.
I think before looking at performance pay for teachers treasury should be subject to performance based pay for their own predictions and recommendations.

In another round of gently caress the schools the old dog of bulk funding has reared its ugly head again. Makes sense for Joyce/Key/Parata, push payroll entirely on to the school and forget about this whole Novopay fiasco, and when the teacher unions negotiate for better pay it is easier to paint them as being against the local school that way. As that money would then come out of the school's operating budget and the ministry won't necessarily increase each school's funding allocation accordingly.

Varkk fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Feb 7, 2013

roarshark
Apr 7, 2002
i got killed by black bugs on my video game

Torka posted:

Since going to a restaurant or cafe is a luxury and the purchase of petrol or basic foodstuffs is a necessary service, I don't feel that you've made a fair comparison. It's quite possible that some parts of the retail or service industries that don't currently have holiday surcharges would be justified in adding them though, certainly.

Supermarkets don't just sell basic foodstuffs anymore, and neither do petrol stations. Both have prepared foods, and like a restaurant or cafe employ staff.

Besides, the whole surcharge on a public holiday deal is a rort perpetuated by their owners. Any business factors in costs on such a day and spreads them out over an operating year. If you take the extra costs paying the staff time and a half for those few days the business chooses to open (with higher than average customer turnout as it happens - gee, wonder why?) and spread them over the cost of a year, these costs are tiny.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Varkk posted:

http://blog.labour.org.nz/2013/02/07/performance-pay-for-teachers-2/

Oh look someone in Treasury wants to implement performance based pay for teachers, must be one of those days ending in a 'y'.
They still haven't addressed the issue surrounding how to accurately measure a teacher's performance when there are so many variables which factor in to a person's education and achievement. Also since Novopay is doing such a stunning job with normal pay for teachers and other school staff, I am sure adding in extra complication of variable rates for teachers will work out swimmingly.
I think before looking at performance pay for teachers treasury should be subject to performance based pay for their own predictions and recommendations.

In another round of gently caress the schools the old dog of bulk funding has reared its ugly head again. Makes sense for Joyce/Key/Parata, push payroll entirely on to the school and forget about this whole Novopay fiasco, and when the teacher unions negotiate for better pay it is easier to paint them as being against the local school that way. As that money would then come out of the school's operating budget and the ministry won't necessarily increase each school's funding allocation accordingly.

Right Wingers don't want education, because educated people don't vote for right wingers unless they are rich.

Felix_Cat
Sep 15, 2008

roarshark posted:

Supermarkets don't just sell basic foodstuffs anymore, and neither do petrol stations. Both have prepared foods, and like a restaurant or cafe employ staff.

Besides, the whole surcharge on a public holiday deal is a rort perpetuated by their owners. Any business factors in costs on such a day and spreads them out over an operating year. If you take the extra costs paying the staff time and a half for those few days the business chooses to open (with higher than average customer turnout as it happens - gee, wonder why?) and spread them over the cost of a year, these costs are tiny.

Prices are always an imperfect reflection of costs, and businesses vary in how they handle that. There are lots of costs that could be spread out and in some cases they are, in some cases they aren't. Which is fine because it's entirely the business' prerogative, whether or not they're selling luxury items is irrelevant. Bottom line is that businesses have a general right to set their pricing structure as they see fit, and that's a good thing.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
So Mainzeal's fallen into receivership and nobody's saying jack about how it hosed up so badly

Lord almighty, the job market up here is bad enough.

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I wonder what the next unemployment figures will be.

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NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!
Hair Elf
Don't worry, Mainzeal only employed 450 people despite it being a large construction company. All those other people are independent small business owners!

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