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Bob NewSCART posted:Do most people not really like diesel? I've never really heard of this negative attitude toward diesels but that seems kind of retarded considering diesels are a lot more economic than conventional gas? With modern petrol engines the difference is only fairly marginal on small cars. On bigger 4wds/vans etc then diesel is clearly still better. Also none of the diesels can match hybrids city driving.
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We've had a '14 Nissan NV200 in our shop for the past couple of weeks. Sitting alongside a Ford Transit, it seems to be pretty much the same thing. I didn't drive it though, and I didn't get that close of a look at it (all of the badging is taped off except for the hubcaps so it's still intended to be secret even though it was shown at the Chicago auto show).
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InitialDave posted:
I saw it, the details are not clear right now what it would entail for the US market but I think it was originally brought out for the Australian market 300C because Dodge isn't in Australia, I imagine they could probably bring it out in other markets like that too but I think Britain is the only other market where Chrysler exists alone right? It's Lancia in the rest of Europe. Maybe that's how it's going to work as they turn SRT into a separate brand. The Australian press release I read said the magnetic adjustable dampers which will be replaced with (presumably stiff performance type) conventional dampers which will save some weight and cost, and which I'm fine with, other than that I'm not sure there really is a whole lot to be taken out. They're not *that* luxurious to begin with and I don't see much point to removing, say, the heated seats or the infotainment touchscreen. The replacement of the 5 speed trans with the new 8 speed will be a pretty big deal.
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Feb 9, 2013 03:21
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Throatwarbler posted:I saw it, the details are not clear right now what it would entail for the US market but I think it was originally brought out for the Australian market 300C because Dodge isn't in Australia, I imagine they could probably bring it out in other markets like that too but I think Britain is the only other market where Chrysler exists alone right? It's Lancia in the rest of Europe. Maybe that's how it's going to work as they turn SRT into a separate brand. They have Chyrsler-Jeep-Dodge in Australia, but not the full model line-up. You can currently (afaik) get Chargers retailed in Australia from the dealership, they certainly imported and sold Nitros as well and I've seen Magnums on the road. I don't know if they'll release anything based on a Fiat platform (like the Dart) here though because Alfa Romeo and Fiat are (relatively) well established brands.
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Feb 9, 2013 06:15
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Powershift posted:New vans! The Transit Connect is FWD, right? Seen plenty of them, I think a lot of people forget any hangups about FWD when they see just how much poo poo you can cram in one and yet have it (I assume) drive nicer than any Econoline or Express or Ram Van in the past 30 years.
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Feb 9, 2013 07:57
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The full sized Transit is available in FWD too (except for the very largest models)
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Feb 9, 2013 08:19
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That's true, however Ford is not offering the FWD Transit in the US.
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Feb 9, 2013 08:22
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What's the advantage of RWD in this type of vehicle?
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Feb 9, 2013 09:15
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More weight over the drive wheels in low grip situations?
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Feb 9, 2013 09:20
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Throatwarbler posted:What's the advantage of RWD in this type of vehicle? kimbo305 posted:More weight over the drive wheels in low grip situations? Makes for some sweet, sweet burnouts.
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Feb 9, 2013 09:21
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kimbo305 posted:More weight over the drive wheels in low grip situations? It doesn't have much rear overhang, and with a fairly front-biased wieght distribution, I think you can probably load the thing all the way up to the specified max payload without affecting the weight distribution much.
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Throatwarbler posted:What's the advantage of RWD in this type of vehicle? FWD is in many ways more sensible for a van, why have bits of drivetrain messing up what could be a lower cargo floor?
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Feb 9, 2013 13:00
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IOwnCalculus posted:The Transit Connect is FWD, right? Seen plenty of them, I think a lot of people forget any hangups about FWD when they see just how much poo poo you can cram in one and yet have it (I assume) drive nicer than any Econoline or Express or Ram Van in the past 30 years. The transit connect is in an entirely different weight class though. It's designed more for people who need enclosed volume over weight handling. RWD is huge when you're hauling, from weight over the drive wheels to being able to turn and accelerate at the same time in low traction. Full size vans are also often used to tow traiers.
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All this talk of RWD platforms and no mention that the new Holden Commodore should be unveiled today? And that it's meant to be in NASCAR? This is very nearly the worst article in the world but it comes with the first render complete with lots of chrome and what appears to be headlights bigger than my cars front end. Herald Sun Newspaper posted:Holden is due to release the first pictures of the new 2013 Commodore in Melbourne today, but we have an exclusive photo illustration of the performance flagship “SS” that will lead the Commodore’s export revival to North America, where it will also race as a Nascar for the first time.  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/holden-saves-best-for-last-with-final-commodore-loaded-with-new-features/story-e6frf7jo-1226574487030
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Feb 9, 2013 22:43
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Powershift posted:The transit connect is in an entirely different weight class though. It's designed more for people who need enclosed volume over weight handling.
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Feb 9, 2013 23:01
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tobu posted:All this talk of RWD platforms and no mention that the new Holden Commodore should be unveiled today? And that it's meant to be in NASCAR? Stream of launch...starting in 15 minutes - http://www.bit.ly/holdentv
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Canada Post appears to have completely gone gonzo for the Transit Connect - they're even adding them to their stock photos of posties on their website and flyers. I wonder how cheap they'll be at government auction in a few years. Look at what they're coming from though  These things had a 2.2l iron duke i4 and 3 speed auto. Having a finished vehicle from a major manufacturer that is nearly the same size and probably doubles the fuel economy is huge. I've seen a couple transit connects going through auction and they go loving CHEAP. like 7-8k with 90,000kms
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The new Commodore looks like a freakin Buick Verano  . Makes sense since that's the Luxury sport I guess. edit: for context http://www.buick.com/verano-luxury-sedan.html edit2: everyone at the unveiling seemed very bored. FAT32 SHAMER fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Feb 10, 2013 |
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Tusen Takk posted:The new Commodore looks like a freakin Buick Verano  CHROMECHROMECHROMEedit: looks a bit Jag XFey to me
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Feb 10, 2013 00:44
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Powershift posted:I've seen a couple transit connects going through auction and they go loving CHEAP. like 7-8k with 90,000kms Dang, that's cheap. I want a TC to use as a band van SO BAD, but I think the newer ones are going to be worth the money with the 6spd auto, nicer interior, longer wheelbase option and bigger motor.
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Feb 10, 2013 04:43
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  That's drat good looking, although I must say I quite liked the previous generation Commodore too. Bring it over and it should finally bring a credible competitor to the Charger/300C. "SS" sounds like the dumbest name though. Why not call it the Caprice? EDIt Have some more pics       I am OK with the HUD. Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Feb 10, 2013 |
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Feb 10, 2013 08:03
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Holy moly that new Commodore is ugly. Holden just AU'd the Commodore.
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Feb 10, 2013 08:14
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RWD? That will do. Except GM.
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Puddin posted:Holy moly that new Commodore is ugly. I think it looks a hell of a lot better than the outgoing model. A lot more grown up and refined.
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Powershift posted:Look at what they're coming from though added bonus is that the Transit Connect is made in RHD versions. It's probably pretty trivial for the factory to produce either version, so the posties can still have their curbside drivers seats and it probably doesn't cost any different.
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Throatwarbler posted:
The SS is the V8 sports/performance model of the Commodore (excluding HSV models). The Caprice name is given to the LWB model of the Commodore. While this will give a short term boost in sales for the Commodore, since it hasn't had a major design since the VE came out in 2006, I doubt if it will reverse the trend of Australian buyers moving away from the Commodore and Falcon and towards SUVs/crossovers.
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Throatwarbler posted:"SS" sounds like the dumbest name though. Why not call it the Caprice? Call it the Impala and the existing Impala the Belair.
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Powershift posted:Look at what they're coming from though My mom works for USPS and she complains all the time about the LLVs. Their winter traction is pretty terrible, they have no aircon, and the cabin isn't insulated at all so the heat is pretty much nonexistent in the winter. She cannot wait for a replacement.
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I am extremely hopeful and looking forward to the new Chevy SS... I hope we'll be able to get HSV/GMPP parts for it  . Depending on how close the SS is to the Commodore, I wonder if we'll see more rebadged cars running around. I already see quite a few Holden Monaro/Pontiac GTOs around.
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I actually really like how that Holden looks. That's a nice car, and RWD too!
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PBCrunch posted:My mom works for USPS and she complains all the time about the LLVs. Their winter traction is pretty terrible, they have no aircon, and the cabin isn't insulated at all so the heat is pretty much nonexistent in the winter. She cannot wait for a replacement. The replacement arrived decades ago, it's called the internet  Fat Twitter Man posted:Call it the Impala and the existing Impala the Belair. More like call it the impala and scrap the existing impala. Chevy has too many models that are crippled and weak out of fear of stepping on one of their other product's toes. The imapala is going to be a $27,000 175hp i4 FWD shitheap that couldn't exist along side a $27,000 320hp v6 RWD SS. The v6 impala is going to be a $35,000 300hp v6 FWD shitheap that couldn't exist along side a $35,000 400+hp v8 RWD SS. the american SS is probably going to be LS3+ only, and around $40,000.
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Powershift posted:The replacement arrived decades ago, it's called the internet The new Impala's should not be called such until they are returned to v8 RWD status. They are not Impalas, they are Impostors. Of course, I'm the guy considering selling my 96 grand marquis to get an 86 caddy, so take my words with a grain of salt.
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You Am I posted:It's still the same generation of Commodore that spawn the Pontiac G8, just with a different front and rear treatments. The doors and roof are carry overs from the VE. Its already the last commodore to be made 
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Hollenhammer posted:Its already the last commodore to be made They've said that about every model since at least the VN
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Official press release and images of the Alfa 4C are out: http://www.alfaromeopress.com/press/article/115460 4 m long, 2 m wide, 1.18 m tall, 2.4 m wheelbase (tiny). Less than 4 kg/hp, so 235hp and <940 kg (<2070 lbs)? 
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It's a lot more than I thought it would be. I was expecting BRZ money, not Cayman. Sure looks nice though.
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DoLittle posted:Official press release and images of the Alfa 4C are out: http://www.alfaromeopress.com/press/article/115460 Definitel low slung, but as long as my 99 Impreza Outback Sport. Not something I'd call tiny. Seat Safety Switch posted:It's a lot more than I thought it would be. I was expecting BRZ money, not Cayman. Alfa is marketed as a premium brand, doubly so for the US re-introduction.
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DJ Commie posted:Alfa is marketed as a premium brand, doubly so for the US re-introduction. I just think they're going to have trouble with finding the people that have Cayman money buying in this car segment that will divorce themselves from the Porsche badge.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:It's a lot more than I thought it would be. I was expecting BRZ money, not Cayman. With a carbon fibre chassis? The BRZ/FRS made a lot of compromises to hit the price point it did like steel body pannels, cast iron suspension components. Considering this has elise specs, i'd expect elise prices, so 75k+ in the US minimum. edit: i'd say the biggest hurdle this car faces it the type of people with the money to buy it remember alfa spider depreciation and quality in the 70s Powershift fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Feb 12, 2013 |
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Alfa has said to expect ~$60k in the US, I saw in the Jalopnik article.
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