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McSpanky posted:I'm not even sure if Iron Man's had 40 armors in his entire comics history, drat. Here is some of his armors and I am sure there are more that he didn't save 
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McSpanky posted:I'm not even sure if Iron Man's had 40 armors in his entire comics history, drat. Easily that many. There's a book called the "Iron Manual" that has pictures of all of them.
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Mar 26, 2013 04:12
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I post this every time wonder woman costume poo poo comes up... ...and I still think it's probably the best iteration that translates well by superhero movie standards.
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Mar 26, 2013 04:17
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teagone posted:I post this every time wonder woman costume poo poo comes up... Her redesign for Injustice is actually pretty good: 
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Mar 26, 2013 05:15
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TheJoker138 posted:Her redesign for Injustice is actually pretty good: Why is her head so tiny?
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Mar 26, 2013 05:38
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TheJoker138 posted:Her redesign for Injustice is actually pretty good: The pose, blank expression, and weird sheen on everything makes this look like it's straight out of some Poser musclegirl porn or something.
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Mar 26, 2013 05:45
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...of SCIENCE! posted:The pose, blank expression, and weird sheen on everything makes this look like it's straight out of some Poser musclegirl porn or something. The Nether Realm guys are...not really great at females. The costume itself is the best implementation of pants and no-cleavage I've seen though.
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Mar 26, 2013 05:48
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Dacap posted:Here's a better look at two of the new Iron Man armors
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Mar 26, 2013 06:00
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BrianWilly posted:Seems like the first suit should be the high velocity "shotgun" and the second should be the silver centurion, no? Someone hosed up the labels, methinks. Not familiar with the comics are you? This is the armor known as the Silver Centurion. Yes it's mostly red, but it's the silver bits that made it notable. Iron Man had never been silver before, just gunmetal grey and then gold. 
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Mar 26, 2013 06:06
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But then the one in the promo isn't even silver either; the parts that are lighter are reflecting some kinda bronze color. Besides, if you're gonna go fast, obviously you need arrows-lookin' poo poo all over your armor. Clearly this movie will be terrible if it doesn't even understand that.
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Mar 26, 2013 06:44
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BrianWilly posted:But then the one in the promo isn't even silver either; the parts that are lighter are reflecting some kinda bronze color. Besides, if you're gonna go fast, obviously you need arrows-lookin' poo poo all over your armor. Dude, what happens to old silver? It's tarnishes. All Tony needs is a little CLR and that suit will look brand new.
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Mar 26, 2013 06:54
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BrianWilly posted:But then the one in the promo isn't even silver either; the parts that are lighter are reflecting some kinda bronze color. Besides, if you're gonna go fast, obviously you need arrows-lookin' poo poo all over your armor. Oh my god you can't shut up the hell up fast enough I'm really jazzed about all armors we're going to see in this movie and I really dig the Shotgun suit specifically. I was actually kind of surprised in Avengers that he didn't have a water-specific suit for the underwater repair he does at the beginning of the movie just because he seems to have such a myriad of suits in the comics. Seemed like a perfect opportunity to get another suit design in there (also another action figure). It's disappointing that they're messing up merchandising for this one. Seems like an action figure manufacturer's dream come true.
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Mar 26, 2013 17:54
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Yonic Symbolism posted:Writers get supes and bats. I agree with this. Wonder Woman has had a lot of trouble, not because of the character but because she doesn't get solid writers too often. quote:Her name is stupid, her lasso is stupid, her bracelets are stupid, her origin as a clay doll is stupid, her costume and its colors are stupid, everything about her is confusing and lame and does not present some kind of archetypical idea of the female mythical hero or whatever they're going for. It's no worse than Superman or Batman. Why is her lasso stupid? Why are her bracelets stupid? That's not her origin as of the new 52. Her costume looks much better in the new 52 especially in her comic where the artist isn't using her for cheesecake in every panel. The colors are toned down, there's no gold, and there are only three stars instead of them being everywhere for no reason. Why does she not present that ideal? quote:Bats and Supes evolved to better find what kind of fantasies they best appealed to and are now firmly rooted there. Wonder woman is a loving mess, and don't tell me "the new 52 comics are good" because I doubt that on their own they'll bring her to where she needs to be. And I'm not buying those no matter what, marvel and dc comics need to die for the benefit of everyone. Her new book is rooted in mythological, game of thrones style backstabbing, where she plays the role of the hero who is fighting for justice and not self interest. I'm not going to argue rather her current book is good or bad but the setting is definitely where her character works best. quote:And I think that she's not going to mean anything unless they make her a meaningful positive fantasy for young women who have ambitions and who are constantly put down because of stupid poo poo from society. There's more to issues than "women can be heros too" now that we have conservatives constantly spewing poo poo about how women should just let themselves lie back and get raped and have the kid from it. It's now only slightly hyperbole. We don't need Whedon. I partially agree with you in that I'd like to read a comic like that. I just don't see why it has to be Wonder Woman. You don't require Superman or Batman to deal with issues that trouble every day men. Some people just want to read a female hero, doing what she thinks is right, outsmarting people, and kicking rear end in the process. quote:Problem is that anyone who could actually think about how to put such a hero back in the consciousness is either not at a position of power, not able to get dumb executives to listen to them, or is aware enough to be past the entire juvenile fantasy of super/action heros. I think the issue is that nobody in charge for the last twenty+ years knew what to do with her and didn't want to bother figuring it out. So she was passed off from one lovely idea to another. Just trying out whatever was popular at the time, hoping something would work. The book has a good writer and artist right now. They're trying to build her back up from scratch and I feel at least like they're doing a good job. It's the only DC comic I have on my pull list now. The comic itself won't be enough to put her "back in the consciousness" but a movie or television series based around the same style as the comic, could be.
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Mar 26, 2013 20:09
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DC's Wonder Woman and Batwoman, and Marvel's Captain Marvel are all really good female led books. Any of the three could carry their own movies based off their current books, and Captain Marvel is doing some great stuff in the Avengers books, so I could definitely see her in Avengers 2. Between seeing the new armors, and the latest trailer, I'm officially excited for Iron Man 3.
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Mar 26, 2013 20:33
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I would KILL for a good Captain Marvel movie. Carol Danvers is one of my favorite Marvel characters.
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Mar 26, 2013 22:10
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:For serious though, the new Wonder Woman comics are drat good. Also I don't think power bracelets or the name "Wonder Woman" are any stupider than bat-shaped boomerangs or the name "Superman." On the basis of Haywire, that's the same sort of casting as sticking wrestlers who are not The Rock in every superhero role. Give me a goddamn actor, not an athlete who can grimace a bit and woodenly recite dialogue in a pinch.
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Mar 26, 2013 22:31
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ChickenSuit posted:Why is her lasso stupid? I don't have a horse in this argument, but a golden lasso that makes people tell the truth is pretty loving stupid, man.
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Mar 26, 2013 23:08
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Sentinel Red posted:On the basis of Haywire, that's the same sort of casting as sticking wrestlers who are not The Rock in every superhero role. Give me a goddamn actor, not an athlete who can grimace a bit and woodenly recite dialogue in a pinch. I think part of it also comes form the fact that she's a couple with the new Superman, Henry Caville.
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Mar 26, 2013 23:27
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Carol Danvers as Capt. Marvel in Avengers 2 would be one of the absolute best things they could do. Short of hijacking Storm somehow she is the only high-profile Marvel woman and Avengers desperately needs more than just Natasha.
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Sentinel Red posted:On the basis of Haywire, that's the same sort of casting as sticking wrestlers who are not The Rock in every superhero role. Give me a goddamn actor, not an athlete who can grimace a bit and woodenly recite dialogue in a pinch. I actually thought Carano was excellent in Haywire - it may have been my favorite performance in any movie from 2012 - but I'm aware my opinion is not the majority one.
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Mar 26, 2013 23:38
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Travis343 posted:Carol Danvers as Capt. Marvel in Avengers 2 would be one of the absolute best things they could do. Short of hijacking Storm somehow she is the only high-profile Marvel woman and Avengers desperately needs more than just Natasha. Yeah, she's really one of the best possible choices for expanding the roster in the next film. She's got ties to the cosmic side, adds more diversity to the team and has spinoff potential. Her current costume could look great if done well too.
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Mar 27, 2013 00:03
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Hakkesshu posted:I don't have a horse in this argument, but a golden lasso that makes people tell the truth is pretty loving stupid, man. That's not even its primary use. I'm only familiar with the DCAU version, but the rope is unbreakable so she mostly uses it to capture things.
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Mar 27, 2013 00:23
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Hakkesshu posted:I don't have a horse in this argument, but a golden lasso that makes people tell the truth is pretty loving stupid, man. The guy who created Wonder Woman also invented an early lie detector machine, and it fits in well with that Gloria Steinem quote about Wonder Woman being different from Superman (and other superheroes) because she solves her problems with cooperation and finding truth, instead of just bludgeoning people into submission. Of course the most frequently cited complaint about Superman Returns is the lack of him punching things, so the success of a Wonder Woman film that embraces those qualities is certainly up for debate.
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Skwirl posted:The guy who created Wonder Woman also invented an early lie detector machine, and it fits in well with that Gloria Steinem quote about Wonder Woman being different from Superman (and other superheroes) because she solves her problems with cooperation and finding truth, instead of just bludgeoning people into submission. Of course the most frequently cited complaint about Superman Returns is the lack of him punching things, so the success of a Wonder Woman film that embraces those qualities is certainly up for debate. She's also trained in all the ways of martial combat of antiquity, because while the peaceful solution is the best and most desired outcome, it is unfortunately not always a possible one. One of her primary foes is Ares, the God of War after all, who unlike most of the other Olympians, finds himself all too well sated with tribute in modern times.
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I wonder if they would have any qualms about using the name Capt. Marvel in a Marvel movie. Maybe they would go by Capt. Danvers or something? I just see that being sort of a strange name for casual moviegoers, like if there was a character named Pixar in Monsters Inc 2 or something.
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Mar 27, 2013 01:57
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Electromax posted:I wonder if they would have any qualms about using the name Capt. Marvel in a Marvel movie. Maybe they would go by Capt. Danvers or something? I just see that being sort of a strange name for casual moviegoers, like if there was a character named Pixar in Monsters Inc 2 or something. I doubt it, since they are making a huge push for the character in the comics, and the original Captain Marvel was a pretty big deal back in the day.
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Mar 27, 2013 02:14
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Isn't that sort of the draw of the character anyway? That her (or his) title makes her sort of an unofficial standard-bearer for the company? Probably why DC has such a hard time hanging onto the name of their Captain Marvel.
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Mar 27, 2013 02:31
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BrianWilly posted:Isn't that sort of the draw of the character anyway? That her (or his) title makes her sort of an unofficial standard-bearer for the company? Probably why DC has such a hard time hanging onto the name of their Captain Marvel. Almost certainly. I think at the moment DC isn't allowed to publish a comic titled "Captain Marvel," which is a huge reason behind things like that fact that I thought their Captain Marvel was named Shazam for years.
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Mar 27, 2013 02:33
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And now DC's Captain Marvel and Shazam is the same person, right?
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The MSJ posted:And now DC's Captain Marvel and Shazam is the same person, right? I don't really follow the comics, but my understanding is that when Billy Batson (a 10 year old boy) says the magic word "Shazam" he becomes Captain Marvel, which stands for "Wisdom of Solomon, strength of Hercules, something something something of Zeus something something" For trademark reasons DC can't publish a comic titled Captain Marvel because a layman consumer might mistake it for a product of Marvel comics (an understandable argument on face value, though I neither know enough about the history of the comic nor really care enough to know if it's valid). So the comic book Shazam (and given that Marvel is also an animation and film studio, likely any future cartoons and movies) is about the character Captain Marvel, who's basically Superman with a tiny cape and the alter-ego of a ten year old instead of a reporter. I don't think they were ever different characters, unless DC has just given u[p the ghost completely and is calling the character Shazam, which would be awkward, since any time he says his own name he'll turn into an 10 year old boy.
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I do believe DC has completely done away with the Captain Marvel name now and his name is just Shazam.
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Deadpool posted:I do believe DC has completely done away with the Captain Marvel name now and his name is just Shazam. Merely one of the literally hundreds of terrible decisions to come out of the New 52 reboot. The first one being to brand it "The New 52" as if that means anything whatsoever.
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Deadpool posted:I do believe DC has completely done away with the Captain Marvel name now and his name is just Shazam. That is hilarious, for the reasons the poster above you stated. "Thank you for saving our city! Who do we owe our thanks to?" "I uhh....can't tell you" *flies away*
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Another armor reveal, looks like what we thought was the Hulkbuster may not actually be called that.
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Skwirl posted:I don't really follow the comics, but my understanding is that when Billy Batson (a 10 year old boy) says the magic word "Shazam" he becomes Captain Marvel, which stands for "Wisdom of Solomon, strength of Hercules, something something something of Zeus something something" For trademark reasons DC can't publish a comic titled Captain Marvel because a layman consumer might mistake it for a product of Marvel comics (an understandable argument on face value, though I neither know enough about the history of the comic nor really care enough to know if it's valid). So the comic book Shazam (and given that Marvel is also an animation and film studio, likely any future cartoons and movies) is about the character Captain Marvel, who's basically Superman with a tiny cape and the alter-ego of a ten year old instead of a reporter. I don't think they were ever different characters, unless DC has just given u[p the ghost completely and is calling the character Shazam, which would be awkward, since any time he says his own name he'll turn into an 10 year old boy. So how does the Shaq vehicle Kazaam factor in to this? I feel like it has to connect somehow.
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Deadpool posted:I do believe DC has completely done away with the Captain Marvel name now and his name is just Shazam. I thought Shazam was the wizard who granted Billy his powers? And a lot of the difference between Captain Marvel and Superman comes from the age difference- for example Justice League Unlimited portrays CM as much more optimistic than Supes, and CM in Young Justice was the most adorably naive thing ever. EDIT: vv No yeah, but where do his powers come from now? vv gnomewife fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Mar 27, 2013 |
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No he's correct; following the New 52 reboot, Captain Marvel is now just called Shazam; that's why I brought him up in the first place. And also, now Billy can choose whether or not he wants to transform when saying "Shazam," so he's allowed to say his name periodically.
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The original Captain Marvel was created by Fawcett publications, and was really popular- at some point even outselling Superman. So DC (they may still have been National then, I forget) sued them for ripping off Superman and won, and ended up buying all the IP and basically sitting on it for a while because by then superheroes were out of style anyway. So the trademark for "Captain Marvel" lapsed, and eventually Marvel created their own unique Captain Marvel character- who doesn't infringe on the copyright because it's a completely different premise- and they now own the trademark. And of course these days nobody's letting anything lapse ever again.
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Hakkesshu posted:I don't have a horse in this argument, but a golden lasso that makes people tell the truth is pretty loving stupid, man. I honestly don't understand why, or more specifically why it's stupid in a way that makes it inappropriate for a superhero comic book. I don't even know what I'm meant to get from that guy's "Wonder Woman needs to be eliminated" spiel, aside from his apparent distaste for the character. McSpanky posted:I actually agree with you about that look, but the I HATE EVERYTHING THAT SHOWS A MILLIMETER OF CLEAVAGE/BOOTY WE MUST PROTECT FEMININE VIRTUE I'm with you. I think of WW's bare legs like Superman's red underpants, a crucial part of their costuming because of what it says about the characters. Superman never feels weird about wearing his drawers on the outside of his baby blue nylon bodysuit, because he's Superman and nobody's gonna tell him he looks like a gaywad. He just sticks out his chin, puts his hands on his hips and stands next to you and makes you feel kind of uncomfortable because he's a huge buff guy in longjohns and a cape, and you can't do anything about it. Similarly, nobody's gonna tell Wonder Woman that she's showing too much thigh while she's saving the world and kicking rear end 365 days a year and displaying unlimited reserves of strength, compassion and intelligence. I get the arguments about male gaze and the porny way female superheroes are portrayed, and it's a real issue. But a blanket move towards an aesthetic of practicality or groundedness (or modernity) is antithetical to what certain characters are about. To me, the classic larger-than-life pop iconography is one of the most important things to preserve about the Wonder Womans and Supermans of the world. Let them be uncool and square and clad in something goofy and old-fashioned; let unimaginative, drab 'practicality' be the domain of Batman or whoever. Out of Steinem's comments, one of the lines that resonates for me is the one about "generations of girls and women who've loved Wonder Woman ever since she was invented during World War II" - women and girls (and gays) have loved Wonder Woman for decades, and the version they've loved doesn't wear black pants and a Fonzie jacket. She's fierce and brassy and brightly colored and she's unapologetic about it. (You get at the bigger issue, which is that the foundation has to be the writing; the dismal visual presentation of female superheroes is a reflection of the lack of respect and understanding male creators/fans have for the characters. When Steinem laments that WW's home has been destroyed in the reboot, it's out of concern that DC doesn't respect the heritage of sisterhood and self-sufficiency that's made the character inspirational for female readers.)
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Well in the case of Wonder Woman, the general complaints tend to be two-fold: 1) the costume looks dumb on an aesthetic level, and 2) it is too revealing, and I think it's important for complainers and defenders alike to not conflate the two positions. A revealing costume can be bad for many reasons -- lewdness, exploitative, etc -- but it doesn't necessarily look bad. DC has tried to cover up Wonder Woman in the JMS reboot and it just made her costume look ten times worse. (Also, after they covered up her legs, they tended to emphasize her cleavage and breast size more. It was...illuminating.) Frankly, I've seen far too many instances of Wonder Woman looking completely kickass and powerful and beautiful while wearing those star-spangled undies that I'm basically 700% certain that the problem is the portrayal of the outfit instead of the outfit itself. It ticks me off that any conversation about Wonder Woman goes straight to her costume instead of the billions of other offensive things that have occurred in her books that have fuckall to do with a woman's bare thighs, but honestly, I can understand why it happens in a world where that Ed Benes image is plastered on covers in shops everywhere. Ultimately, I've always been a firm believer that the classic costume was just fine as it was, not necessarily because it's iconic, but that there's literally nothing wrong with it as a superheroic outfit...but I have to say that, at this point, I'll raise no qualms about them definitively giving her the pants or whatever so long as it'd get folks to finally move on from the issue. I certainly expect it to get updated a little if they ever get around to making that movie or TV series.
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