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I don't really understand why people (especially churchy people) are against this. It's not that the government is saying that the churches need to marry gay people, but that the government (which is wholly secular) recognizes it. Do people think that they will have to perform gay marriages through their churches or something?
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CannonFodder posted:Jawsome. A Street Sharks reference in 2013? The hell? But yeah, this is fantastic. My only concern is that trans rights are going to be a harder battle and that allies might be discouraged as a result. But that's no reason not to celebrate this!
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Wojtek posted:I don't really understand why people (especially churchy people) are against this. It's not that the government is saying that the churches need to marry gay people, but that the government (which is wholly secular) recognizes it. It's stupid, but yes, that is a huge concern, despite that it's not true.
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I think that's actually a pretty common misconception, campaigners against gay marriage like screaming about religious freedom often enough that I think a fair amount of people have absorbed it in fact. Which is frustrating because it's so easily disproved- no government has ever forced churches to marry gay people and none have plans to, even here in godless socialist Europe.
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Wojtek posted:I don't really understand why people (especially churchy people) are against this. It's not that the government is saying that the churches need to marry gay people, but that the government (which is wholly secular) recognizes it. A friend of mine is thoroughly convinced marriage is a purely Christian thing. That is bullshit, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will ever change that world view. Time is the only changing force to some people.
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Wojtek posted:
The right wing media has sat around for years and years saying that will be so, AM radio doubly so.
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Wojtek posted:I don't really understand why people (especially churchy people) are against this. It's not that the government is saying that the churches need to marry gay people, but that the government (which is wholly secular) recognizes it. That's the roundabout way they try to get religious arguments into the courtroom; the argument that non-discrimination clauses and laws would leave them vulnerable to litigious gays suing on grounds of discrimination, or that their refusal might cause them to lose recognition as a non-profit, or whatever. There's some really kinda "eh" justification to this, in that Bob Jones University lost its tax exempt status in Bob Jones University v United States, a SCOTUS case that ruled that the IRS can revoke tax exempt status for violating policies that have a compelling government interest-- in this case, eradicating racial discrimination. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University_v._United_States This holds only to religious universities, mind, not churches. There would need to be a few more hops, skips, and jumps before we get to churches. Teddybear fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Mar 28, 2013 |
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Wojtek posted:I don't really understand why people (especially churchy people) are against this. It's not that the government is saying that the churches need to marry gay people, but that the government (which is wholly secular) recognizes it. There's your problem right there, a lot of conservatives and Christians actually disagree on this point.
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I loving hate my extended family quote:If most of my Facebook friends are going to support people who are gay by posting the red equal sign, I am going to post two feet, the feet represent the millions who never get to breathe the air of this world, who never feel love let alone get married, those who never have the chance to have children or go to school or do anything many gays are afforded the privilege to do. They are never given this chance because a human decides that their life is unimportant because of a defect or being an inopportune time for the person who conceived them. This is for the millions of children aborted yearly. Talk about rights being denied.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I loving hate my extended family Jesus Christ. Abortions exist so therefore no gay marriage?
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ZuljinRaynor posted:Also, I like how supporters know the difference between CIVIL and RELIGIOUS marriage, but the opposition doesn't. Do you remember that church where the membership declined to three people because the priest wouldn't marry an interracial couple? Because once gay marriage is normalized poo poo like that's going to happen every day. Big Hubris fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Mar 29, 2013 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I loving hate my extended family Good thing everyone who sees the avatar and doesn't read the post will assume she supports gay marriage!
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Jesus Christ. Abortions exist so therefore no gay marriage? No, there's an effective and memorable "I support marriage equality" campaign, so anti-choice activists are trying to come up with their own copycat version. This is a good thing.
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ErichZahn posted:Do you remember that church where the membership declined to three people because the priest wouldn't marry an interracial couple? AND IT WILL BE AMAZING.
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Space Gopher posted:No, there's an effective and memorable "I support marriage equality" campaign, so anti-choice activists are trying to come up with their own copycat version. This is a good thing. Yeah for as emotionally charged and schlocky as that post was, it still acknowledged implicitly that gays were being denied rights. You can be pro-life and pro-gay marriage.
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Red_Mage posted:Yeah for as emotionally charged and schlocky as that post was, it still acknowledged implicitly that gays were being denied rights. You can be pro-life and pro-gay marriage. I'm sure you can, but the subtext of that post is "Those lucky gays with their petty complaints! Let's focus on a real issue." If you can even call it subtext.
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:I'm sure you can, but the subtext of that post is "Those lucky gays with their petty complaints! Let's focus on a real issue." If you can even call it subtext. Eh. Everyone has their pet issue they are going to insist everyone be talking about at any opportunity. Its really not a huge concern to me if it catches on because even "WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE UNBORN WHO ARE ALSO BEING DENIED RIGHTS" is a pretty no-nonsense acknowledgement that rights are being denied. With how hard some pro-life friends I know push for adoption reform, it wouldn't actually surprise me a bit if this was a more common viewpoint than one would think. I wonder how irked the protesters at the downtown planned parenthood would be if I put up a bunch of signs that said "Don't abort your baby, give it to a gay couple"
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I meant to post this yesterday, but Thursday's headline/front page news story in Raleigh was "HAGAN SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGE".
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Saw on Facebook that Christians are claiming that the Supreme Court decision and court cases are because of Satan trying to take off the focus on Jesus this Easter
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I believe my unmarried friends who party all night, go on lavish vacations, and enjoy their lives generally are ruining the traditional family values of America. Won't somebody think of the children? These "singles" as they like to be called are an affront to traditional family values. I agree with Dennis Hollingsworth- the government has a rational interest in promoting same-sex marriage- but he doesn't take it far enough. Single people should be rounded up and forced to marry each other, for the good of the children and the country. Marriage should not only be restricted to 1 man 1 woman, but marriage should also be compulsory. [/parody] I used this line of reasoning during dinner with my regressive shitheel family last night. It was incredibly satisfying.
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Remember yesterday as the day Rush Limbaugh gave up.Rush Limbaugh posted:This issue is lost. I don't care what the Supreme Court does, this is now inevitable.
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drat those liebrals and their fancy wordplay!
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RI state Sen. Archambault, the one who was awesome during the hearing, expects the marriage bill to get get through the Senate. Still no schedule for the vote.
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gently caress the religious right. gently caress them so loving much (from Pam's House Blend & Right Wing Watch)Subhuman filth posted:When we see dozens of Democrats abandoning their previously held positions and a few Republicans also willing to betray the voters who put them in office, it would be easy to become cynical about everyone in politics. But we have to stand firm and push back. Marriage is a blessing to families. Three-quarters of the teen rapists in our prisons are fatherless young men, so are two-thirds of the teen murderers. Even gay martyr Matthew Shepherd [sic] was killed by two fatherless young men. Marriage bashes no one. Marriage benefits everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS669AzO8bw
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:RI state Sen. Archambault, the one who was awesome during the hearing, expects the marriage bill to get get through the Senate. What does "You don't know God. I know God." J. T. Walsh lookalike think about this?
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staticman posted:gently caress the religious right. gently caress them so loving much (from Pam's House Blend & Right Wing Watch) Yet if gays could get married, there'd be more marriages and they could foster/adopt children and provide a loving, caring environment! I wonder if these people ever have an AHA! moment where they realise how loving stupid they are.
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PT6A posted:Yet if gays could get married, there'd be more marriages and they could foster/adopt children and provide a loving, caring environment! I wonder if these people ever have an AHA! moment where they realise how loving stupid they are. Remember, in their minds, all gays are pedophiles who are only looking to adopt so they have easy access to prey. And of course the "fatherless" thing has almost nothing to do with the concept of a "stable family", but a "Christian" family. These are the kind of people who said of a guy who murdered his family that it was his parents' fault for not bringing him up in a strict enough, Christian enough environment (never mind that part of his problem was that he had undiagnosed psych disorders that his parents tried to cure with punishment and Jesus). Really, I've heard people explain that single moms are bad parents not because of family dynamics or stability or whatever, but because women who get pregnant while unmarried (or who remain single after a divorce) are obviously irresponsible and will raise their children to be irresponsible as well. These are largely not the people who think "kids need families who love and support them" - their thought process is "kids need families that will raise them to hold the exact same values on everything that I do". And going back to that first point, they think gays will obviously raise kids not only to be tolerant of others, sin of sins that is, but will probably force the kid to be gay. Thesoro posted:But if you let gay people marry, they'The OmniGay Messiah, The Man With Infinite Dad, The Prophet of Dilz. The Queersatz Haderach, if you will. Kugyou no Tenshi fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Mar 30, 2013 |
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staticman posted:Three-quarters of the teen rapists in our prisons are fatherless young men, so are two-thirds of the teen murderers. Even gay martyr Matthew Shepherd [sic] was killed by two fatherless young men. Marriage bashes no one. Marriage benefits everyone. Not seeing the downside tbqh
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Thesoro posted:The Man With Infinite Dad This sounds like an idea for a ridiculous superhero. I like it. And while I know that "marriage" in the previous quoted passage meant "straight marriage", I like that the literal interpretation of that message is slightly less awful than the intended interpretation.
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Thesoro posted:But if you let gay people marry, they'll raise a class of DOUBLE-FATHERED youths, moral paragons, destined and perfect, and if those children grow up gay (inevitable, considering their gay parentage), they'll give birth to DOUBLE-FATHERED, QUAD-GRANDPA'D children, who will raise their own children, and so on and so forth, Dadding exponentially, until we reach the OmniGay Messiah, The Man With Infinite Dad, The Prophet of Dilz. Anyone who ignores the truth of the FOUR SIMULTANEOUS GRANDPAS should be put down for the good of the children. I was born to think Cubic as in a 4 corner family life, therefore I rise above you. You are educated Stupid, You are educated Evil --- You will ignore message & attack the messenger. Man invented his God in man's character - Stupid Oneism and Singularity in Universe of Opposites.
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AP: Gene Ray comes out in favor of Same-Sex Marriage.
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Zero VGS posted:AP: Gene Ray comes out in favor of Same-Sex Marriage.
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Tea Party Congressman Justin Amash tweeted that he supports the repeal of DOMA, saying that government is the “real threat” to traditional marriage, “not gay couples who love each other & want to spend lives together."
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That's a somewhat nonsensical argument but eh, as long as he's on the right side I'm not that fussed. This must be one of the first ever cases of a Tea Party official actually living up to their small government rhetoric on social issues...
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Sweeney Tom posted:Tea Party Congressman Justin Amash tweeted that he supports the repeal of DOMA, saying that government is the “real threat” to traditional marriage, “not gay couples who love each other & want to spend lives together." There's a trap in there somewhere because Justin Amash is a grade A shitheel.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:There's a trap in there somewhere because Justin Amash is a grade A shitheel. The "trap" is that libertarian types like him think government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage at all, it should be either completely the domain of religious institutions or if you live together with someone, that's good enough. Though at least he came down on the less harmful side of this. I know other libertarian shitheels that oppose same-sex marriage because "the government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage and supporting it is giving the government more power."
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Twelve by Pies posted:Though at least he came down on the less harmful side of this. I know other libertarian shitheels that oppose same-sex marriage because "the government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage and supporting it is giving the government more power." Were the libertarians arguing this point at all until recently? I've only heard this "government out of marriage completely" business after it became pretty obvious that full marriage equality is all but inevitable. To be fair though, I haven't paid libertarians much attention to begin with.
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I think libertarians tend to mumble and say something about the REAL issues when marriage comes up- most of them are in it for the lower taxes/freedom from the tyranny of safety regulations and don't particularly care about social issues.
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Really, I've heard people explain that single moms are bad parents not because of family dynamics or stability or whatever, but because women who get pregnant while unmarried (or who remain single after a divorce) are obviously irresponsible and will raise their children to be irresponsible as well. These are largely not the people who think "kids need families who love and support them" - their thought process is "kids need families that will raise them to hold the exact same values on everything that I do". And going back to that first point, they think gays will obviously raise kids not only to be tolerant of others, sin of sins that is, but will probably force the kid to be gay. Well, to be fair, having and bringing to term accidental babies is pretty much the definition of irresponsible. It is basically failing to take any of the steps for preparing to have or not have a baby. You can't really argue that a high schooler getting pregnant or something like that IS a responsible thing to do.
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