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We don't have much solid intel on the Skory, but we must plan for the worst, so assume that yes they can. The moment Fred decided they would not compromise in negotiations war became inevitable. They have stated clearly they will only negotiate in the BFM is evicted entirely. If we do that now we will forever ruin our odds of anyone ever trusting us again, prove we'll let the Federation roll over us and gently caress over all kinds of things morally. The only acceptable way out for us is something that involves the BFM keeping at least a significant portion of their holdings and Fred recognising the BFM. I'm not a war-hungry admiral here, I'd love to peace out, but it's not feasible at present time. Besides, it's already a shooting war since the Lictor incident. It's just a limited war nobody is actively declaring because that would lead to nasty things on Earth.
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They seem to be moving a bit on that, though it may be a misunderstanding, but even so both the BFM and UNSEC have made it clear that we are not going to give them anything but the UN territories at most, so it's best we focus on the military developments. Something just occured to me... the Federation is using their expendable ships to figure out whether their main force is likely to win a decisive engagement or not. Given their post-battle statement and probing behavior I think they've come to the conclusion that they have important advantages (probably their sensor and weapons range), and are planning to try it out as you've delineated two posts ago. We need information. It seems the game only gives basic espionage points, but perhaps we can legally interrogate the characters we've picked up for more important general facts. We should also decide now whether we wish to create a black ops department for immoral methods. I think I'd be inclined to treat them symmetrically, and not engage in torture until we know they have done so first. > Alchenar: The answer to that after IRC turned the UNSEC into a think-tank was an optimistic 'maybe', and I think it's still at 'maybe' whether it's optimistic or not, as it needs further information. Though I can assure that whether we agree with UNSEC or not they've thought things through very thouroughly, synergistically as a group, and have made sure to equip themselves with the best available data. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Mar 30, 2013 |
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So given that this isn't clear, can we get a straight up answer: is there a reasonable chance of us winning a fleet engagement between Cruiser squadrons? (and if it's circumstantial, under what circumstances?) The answer to this question kinda determines everything.
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It all depends on what the design philosophy of the Skory is, we just don't know, that's why we're avoiding large-scale engagements like the plague.
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I'm totally looking forward to when in a couple of years (real time) we stumble upon an agressive alien race and we have to team up with the Federation to combat them.
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While we're all discussing the elephant in the room (this being the Federation and the current 'war'), what of our lovely new neighbour, sitting all quiet-like? Is there anything we should be thinking about here, bar the worrying lack of information and response from our embedded agent/diplomatic representative? Has anyone, I don't know, tried to ask the BFM where our bloody diplomat went? Also should we, perhaps, release some kind of message to the world about our immense 'success' in lifting the 'illegal' blockade, arguably the first 'real' blow in this little conflict of ours? At least the first blow entirely on our heads that the world at large can see. Might want to be spinning on that one. Just saying.
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Alchenar posted:So given that this isn't clear, can we get a straight up answer: is there a reasonable chance of us winning a fleet engagement between Cruiser squadrons? (and if it's circumstantial, under what circumstances?) We have no data except that their cruisers are faster than ours (and their speed relative to our lighter craft is an open question). Maybe they're just bigger Moskvas with bigger meson cannons, and we could trash them no problem. Or, maybe they're highly-networked sensor- and missile-boats designed to work as a fleet and redress the weaknesses (range/sensor) of Moskvas operating alone. But we've never seen a Skory in any kind of engagement or exercise, and frankly even the fact that they're armed is still technically "just a theory" because we've never seen their weapons. So if this question determines everything else, then maybe for the time being goal number one is to answer it. (And this may have been the motivation behind the Feds leaving a few light craft exposed) So the guidance to our future decisions might be worth a small loss if we can manage a partial engagement or a fighting retreat here, just to see what exactly they're coming at us with.
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That's a great idea! Though since they thought of it first they'll probably find a way to give up as little information as possible, unless they've decided based on their current information to move to eliminate whatever they can lure into range. They're probably still worried about our short-range capabilities, but their current behavior seems to be that they want to test out some of their own offensive capabilities. There is also HUMINT and SIGINT of course. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Mar 30, 2013 |
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Bridge of the UNS Negros Videolog 26th May 2033, 3:44 UTC  New contact, Ma'am. Updating plot with ID and bearing. Yesh- Er. Yes. Very good, XO, very good. Helm, how's Jakarta looking?  Still no response, captain. Orders regarding the new contact, Ma'am? Well, our magazines are almost shot... but they don't know that. And they know we're here, since they set off their sensor. We'd have to be blind drunk to miss it. [hides hip-flask]  Hmmm. Right! I've decided! Helm? Yes Ma'am? Hail them, please, Lieutenant. I want to talk to'em. What?!  We know that they're here, they know we're here, we know that they know that they know that we know. We might as well try to talk our way out of this. Record a message, would you? Er... If you say so, Ma'am? Captain, I really must prote- Noted. Magazines almost dry, XO, remember? Still, I really don't think- Overruled. Ready to record, Khethiwe? Yes, Ma'am. Right. ... Hello there! Is this thing on? Oh good. This is Commander TLM3101 of the UNS Negros. I don't mean to be rude, but there's been a bit of a to-do here, and we're currently in the process of extending medical and other aid. As such, if you would just hold right where you are so you won't get in the way of our pinnaces, please, and I'll have you through to my superiors in just a moment, and they can take things from there. All right? Marvelous. Please do hold your position, though. I really can't emphasize this enough. We'll send someone over to sort things out with you as soon as we're able, which shouldn't be too long. All done, Ma'am. Good. Now for god's sakes get me the flagship so I can dump this mess in the admiral's lap. He's not an admiral, Ma'am! And I think that was most ill advised. Relax, XO. It's not like they're going to start a war with us. Only because we're already shooting at each other! See? I... That- You... [turns to his console, apparently doing some sort of breathing exercise to remain calm] Send the message, please, Khethiwe. [pulls out hip-flask. Sips.] Oh, and get through to the flagship, for christ's sakes.
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Arujei posted:In the First Minister's Situation Room, watching "Grand Ambassador" TildeATH's speech Replace 'First Minister' with 'Director of Defense' and 'Tildo's speech' with 'TLM's hail' as appropriate. As an unofficial message to all those in TG PHALANX: Good luck! You're gonna need it.
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Alchenar posted:Let's be realist: it's not like the US is the homeground for most of the blacks. They came from many countries, in another continent. Their national identity so far is "run away from Southern Slavery". What they are trying to hold onto is not some historical territory, but the buildings, infrastructure and resources of another people. Black people in the U.S. didn't go there willingly. BFM people went to Mars in a legal colonization effort. Furthermore, black people didn't suddenly rise to fight against the U.S. federal goverment, and seized cities and resources, getting support and recognition from a foreign power. The BFM is more like the Confederate States of America, trying to break away from the Federation through force. They managed to win the war, but it won't last until the Feds give up or get something in return. The colony is Federation property, built by Federation workers, with Federation money, for Federation colonists. The independence the BFM has achieved doesn't mean they can just keep the territory or equipment. If it was one of our colonies, we would be doing the same demands. My suggestions for relocating them were based on a middle of the road approach: The Feds get their colony back, and the people of the BFM can go and start building their own nation with our support. Furthermore, leaving the BFM people in close proximity to Federation holdings would be dangerous, since extremist elements in both sides might engage in sabotage and terrorism to undermine each other, and it would be better to nip that in the bud than be in the middle of it. But I'm done with suggesting the relocation. My current stance is that we seek a deal with the Feds, where the BFM will pay the price they ask for the infrastructure and territory they currently hold, and we support them to achieve that goal. Readingaccount posted:We should also decide now whether we wish to create a black ops department for immoral methods. I think I'd be inclined to treat them symmetrically, and not engage in torture until we know they have done so first. Let's nip this in the bud too: Even if we ignore the simple premise that torture doesn't work, because the tortured will tell you anything to stop it, the experiences with Korbalev/Proen show that anyone who is high enough level to know something useful will have the mental fortitude to resist it. NO torture. We ARE the U.N., this organization has done declarations against that practice. And engaging on it will make us lose our moral standing, not only to the public, but among ourselves. There are other avenues to gain intel: spy teams, signal intelligence, photo analysis, information exchanges with third party nations, and so on. Innocent_Bystander posted:It all depends on what the design philosophy of the Skory is, we just don't know, that's why we're avoiding large-scale engagements like the plague. If we don't know, then it's best the ships avoid combat. It's unwise to face the unknown without being prepared. Out of character bit: When the hell did I become the devil's/god's advocate?
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Your arguments on morals and morale are convincing of course, and since the thread decided to be the UN and most posters support the freedom of Mars in it is almost a certainty that the majority opinion is for us to be good. As such we should ban black ops using either physical and emotional torture or blackmail. I disagree on one point however, we needn't tell ourselves torture is useless as an argument for banning it. It is normally not the optimal nor even a wise goal-oriented (though morally deficient) tool, but it is not useless if used intelligently. Only a fool of an interrogator utilizes physical and emotional pain as a sledgehammer rather than as one of many potential scalpels, unless there is literally only minutes in which to extract the information and no known weaknesses. If we resolve never to do such things in the darkness we need not tell ourselves we are doing so because there is no advantage. We should know that we are simply choosing to follow our conscience and rejecting evil, whether virtue is its own reward or not and regardless of the flaws of evil tactics. Since this seems to be the path we are going to take we may also wish to consider nixing political assassinations and perhaps even military assassinations while we're at it (the main difference in war being assassins are not in uniform), as well as unlawful murder in general. It'll reduce the efficiency of our espionage department, but increase morale and be the right thing to do. ... Actually this debate on ethics brings to mind that it is unethical of both sides to be killing members of the other's armed forces without being at war, it makes it unsanctioned manslaughter. We may wish to declare that there is some form of conflict going on in space, in order to be honest about the current situation. We will need to explain our dead and their dead, sooner or later, and we may even gain some advantage from being the first to do so, if we do it well, and more importantly it is also the right thing to do. I'm not trying to exagerrate here, I just think if we're going to be the good guys, it might be interesting to go all the way. And yes, we should consider running a few crash programs in signals and human intelligence, though they may fail and cause lasting damage due to difficult goals on short notice. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 30, 2013 |
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As an addendum to the above, and before anyone throws a conniption over the fact that I'm hailing the new contact, I would like to point out that I'm only admitting to two things; a) Being there, and b) Currently supplying aid to the stricken vessel.
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PHALANX orders You are to proceed as planned with the processing of FEK Jakarta, then drop off all prisoners at Mars as planned. Then activate the Jove and proceed 10m km towards Earth, if no hostile moves are made by the Federation and no Skory is detected by then, request further orders. You are authorised to retaliate against any aggression.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:PHALANX orders Due to commu---ation issu- aboard my --ip, - -- request--g t--t TLM3101 ---- charge -- task force until further notice. Last order ack----edged. Recommend -it and run -- escorts in event of Skory arriv-- (Heading to rear end end of no-where for awhile, stepping down for TLM3101 to take over)
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My recommendation for our Jump Point tech is to announce it about twenty minutes after we break ground on the first extra-solar colony (that isn't just a mining installation). Make it sound like it was meant to be a pleasant surprise. Like "Okay, you know how you always wanted to explore the galaxy? Well, you're gonna love this!" Sure, maybe the Feds will get pissy about us not telling them, but we can point out that they've been hostile towards us for a long time, and hopefully gloss over the fact that we started it and they have a totally valid casus belli.
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Dirt5o8 posted:Due to commu---ation issu- aboard my --ip, - -- request--g t--t TLM3101 ---- charge -- task force until further notice. From: UNIN BuPers To: CAPT Dirt5o8 Re: Seniority   Captain, unfortunately, this command hand-off is not approved. As you can see from the attachments, after you, command devolves to CMDR Astus, who is already commanding that detachment. Seniority matters. In any case, I will be controlling any officers who aren't actively participating as NPCs, just as I have already been doing. UNS Negros: approaching FEK Jakarta, 26th May 2033, 3:43 UTC TLM3101 posted:Right. ... Hello there! Is this thing on? Oh good. This is Commander TLM3101 of the UNS Negros. I don't mean to be rude, but there's been a bit of a to-do here, and we're currently in the process of extending medical and other aid. As such, if you would just hold right where you are so you won't get in the way of our pinnaces, please, and I'll have you through to my superiors in just a moment, and they can take things from there. All right? Marvelous. Please do hold your position, though. I really can't emphasize this enough. We'll send someone over to sort things out with you as soon as we're able, which shouldn't be too long. CMDR TLM3101's transmission provokes no response from the new Moskva, but it does provoke a stern rebuke from CMDR Astus. "I am in command of this detachment, commander, and if you cannot follow chain-of-command protocols you will be replaced. Is that understood?"   Thirty seconds later, updated orders from 1st Fleet HQ come in, directing UNS Visayas to activate its "Overwatch" tracking array. Immediately after activation, Visayas's sensor officer calls out, "Four active contacts! Three Moskva 31-class, one Skory 33-class. One of the Moskvas has the active sensor on. Still holding 600 kps." When this information is relayed to Commander Astus, he swears. "ABROGATOR. Inform 1st Fleet HQ, request further orders." After another thirty second delay, orders come in from 1st Fleet HQ to continue as planned, approachin Jakarta and preparing to secure her as was done with the other Moskvas.   After another 90 seconds, when the formation is just 6000 km from its holding point 90,000 km from Jakarta, alarms on all the Surigao DEs begin to blare. Aboard Quirono, Commander Astus demands an update from his sensor officer. "Sir, Federation missile contact! Salvo size is four, missile size class 10,000 kg. Missiles inbound at--"  Missile designations blacked out because it could give something away. I didn't realize it would show you their missile designations when they struck you. Quirono's sensor officer doesn't even get a chance to finish before the salvo strikes UNS Negros, just as the group is coming to a halt at its holding location. Negros immediately spins out of formation, streaming atmosphere and burning wreckage. On her bridge, CMDR TLM3101 calls for a damage report amid the smoke and alarms. Negros's engineering officer, Lt. Cmdr. Ruprecht, begins to scan the list of incoming damage assessments.  "Penetrations on all four hits. One hit directly in the armor void left by a prior strike. Two launchers out of action. Direct hit on the crew quarters. Both engines out. Both magazine spaces out. "Overwatch" scanner is out of commission as well. Reports are that our main engineering spaces are fouled with battle damage." "Casualties?" asks TLM3101, a sinking feeling in his gut. "49 reported, sir. A third of the complement." On board Quirono, Commander Astus immediately radios Bohol for orders.
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Dammit! We're out of options here-get all ships to fire at the Skory. That thing is going to rip our destroyers apart unless we focus fire on it RIGHT NOW. If that doesn't work, hit the Moskvas with all the missiles we have. Those things are obviously floating sensors-they need to die NOW.
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Welp. I guess that takes some of the shine from our victory. Time to chill this whole thing before we keep escalating blowing each other up.
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So, what happened there? Were we unable to fire off an anti missile missile? If so, why? If AMMs aren't going to be effective, we need to rethink our strategies.
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They all got fired off, but somehow they all missed. I really don't like what that says about our point-defense systems.
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Well, they either got real lucky, or we've failed to account for something. Is it possible the Federation's missiles could be too fast for our anti-missile missiles to swat down? Never actually played Aurora, but those Bowyers seemed to be moving mighty swift. Also, would our Ghostbusters be able to bring those missiles down any easier?
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Volmarias posted:So, what happened there? Were we unable to fire off an anti missile missile? If so, why? If AMMs aren't going to be effective, we need to rethink our strategies. Essentially, your "Warbler" missile warning sensor has a 1.5m km range -- for objects 1 HS (50 tons) in size or larger. A size four missile is 0.2 HS (1), but Aurora takes the smallest possible object as just under 1/3rd of a hull space (0.33 HS), so all objects smaller than that (size 6 missiles and smaller) get detected as if they were 0.33 HS. The range penalty for detecting an object smaller than the resolution a sensor is designed for is effective_range = max_design_range * (target size / design resolution)^2. Thus, for your "Warbler", with a 1.5m km design range, the max range it could detect those missiles is 1.5m km * (.33 / 1)^2 = 163,350 km. The Federation missiles were traveling at 21,200 kps, which means in 5 seconds (the smallest possible span of time in Aurora) they can travel 108,000 km. This means you need to detect them at least that far away to get an interception attempt. Now imagine that at the end of a 5-second interval, the Federation missiles are 180,000 km away from the sensor. It won't detect them yet. At the end of the next 5-second interval, the Federation missiles will be 72,000 km away from the sensor. It will detect them, but now it is too late for an intercept, since the missiles will strike their targets in the next 5-second interval. The only way to avoid this is to use beam PD set to final defensive fire, which ALWAYS get a last-second intercept in. Moreover, the hit chance for your interceptors is: base_hit_chance_in_% = (AMM_speed / target_speed) * missile agility. In the case of Mosquitos vs these Federation missiles, that comes out to about 10%. Dr. Snark posted:Dammit! The Skory is not within missile range of any UN ships. bgreman fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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Sounds like we need a lot better sensors*, then! If -only- there were someone among us who could have provided this LONG AGO. *Really, it sounds like we need better missiles. Or better strategies. Or a swift end to this conflict. Fake edit: I just installed Aurora. God help me.
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PHALANX is effectively lost, additional volleys will already be in flight and they are unable to either disengage or close the distance in time.
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Dr. Snark posted:We're out of options here-get all ships to fire at the Skory. In reply: http://tindeck.com/listen/thks Also, no. The Moskva/31 appears to have been intended to operate as either a very light patrol/raider, or primarily, as a long-range spotter for a Skory so the larger ship can fire on ours with impunity. Primary defence against attempts to blind the spotter is provided by the fact that it can match speed with anything in our fleet - in effect, a Moskva can kite anything we have (except a Samar-II using it's full sensor suite) if it sees us coming. Additionally, our sensor doctrine currently consists of short-ranged but fine-resolution scanners. On the upside, we can lock and fire on basically anything that blunders into the scanner's maximum range; but on the downside, they'll have to blunder into it, because that range is half that of the ones our opponents are likely using. Not to be particularly self-aggrandizing, but i mentioned that this might become an issue a while ago. In conclusion, our cruisers are useless, and theirs can operate with impunity. However, our escorts are significantly superior combat ships in comparison to theirs. In the event of an intractable war, the reasonable strategy would be to employ guerrilla tactics to disrupt the Federation's supply of vital resources. All of our escorts can bombard, whereas they would need to dispatch a Skory to each rock they want to bomb. I suggest we break up PHALANX and send each ship towards a different Federation asteroid with it's transponder on for a few minutes, then turn them all off and have them regroup somewhere and return to Earth, to illustrate these points. Also, we should immediately put another Berlin into the open slip at the Versailles Shipyard to refit, because at least the Berlin-II can theoretically fire back at an attacker. Morrow posted:PHALANX is effectively lost. No, only one Samar was following the FEK Jakarta. The rest of PHALANX is further back, and might have a chance? Volmarias posted:Add to that the "technical issues" with firing... That was low task-group training. Ceebees fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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Morrow posted:PHALANX is effectively lost, additional volleys will already be in flight and they are unable to either disengage or close the distance in time. Actually, about that. Can the mobile members of PHALANX do a swift turn-round and at least attempt to kite any incoming missiles so the mosquitoes at least have a shot at getting at them as they come into sensor range? Not sure how that'd work within the game engine, though. What moves first, missiles or ships? Admittedly, given the superior speeds lined up against us, essentially the hope would be the Skory running out of missiles before PHALANX runs out of hull. Hell, at least moving in a planned direction might make the Feds nervous about what might be out there in the vastness of space.
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Scribbleykins posted:Actually, about that. Can the mobile members of PHALANX do a swift turn-round and at least attempt to kite any incoming missiles so the mosquitoes at least have a shot at getting at them as they come into sensor range? Not sure how that'd work within the game engine, though. What moves first, missiles or ships? If the federation missiles fly at 21,200 kps, and our top speeds are ~3000 kps, kiting won't buy us very much. Add to that the "technical issues" with firing...
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Scribbleykins posted:Actually, about that. Can the mobile members of PHALANX do a swift turn-round and at least attempt to kite any incoming missiles so the mosquitoes at least have a shot at getting at them as they come into sensor range? Not sure how that'd work within the game engine, though. What moves first, missiles or ships? The way missiles work is, they try to occupy the same spot as their target at the end of the 5 second tick. If they do, they go off. If ASM intercept the ship its targeting, then the AMMs miss and the ASM hit. In a way having myopic sensors actually help slower AAM, since if they had more range there's a tendency for the slower missile to "overshoot" the faster missile and wind up behind it. Once again I'd like to insult whoever designed our navy as a complete incompetent.
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Added Space posted:Once again I'd like to insult whoever designed our navy as a complete incompetent. Think Positively! Now we know it doesn't really matter how many ships we lose, they're all worthless!
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Volmarias posted:If the federation missiles fly at 21,200 kps, and our top speeds are ~3000 kps, kiting won't buy us very much. Add to that the "technical issues" with firing... Potentially buying us a few mosquito attempts at 10% is still better than no chance at mosquito hits at all and just taking it on the chin, which I got the impression was what was happening here. Could be wrong, though, as the mosquitoes were launched. Alchenar: They could still be refitted not to be, y'know.
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Scribbleykins posted:Actually, about that. Can the mobile members of PHALANX do a swift turn-round and at least attempt to kite any incoming missiles so the mosquitoes at least have a shot at getting at them as they come into sensor range? Not sure how that'd work within the game engine, though. What moves first, missiles or ships? Our AMMs only have a 10% hit rate even if we have enough time to launch them. Additionally there is no "tanking" to be done here, notice that their missiles do enough damage to penetrate our armor belt in one hit. As a result every missile impact is going to do systems damage and at 20kps they are going to have upwards of 75%-80% hit rates against us. Actually looking at the combat log it is very surprising that the ship survived that at all. Another hit or two and it'd be lost. Our ships can be disabled by a single lucky shot and we have about a dozen ships, better hope the feds didn't bring manny missiles VVVV MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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MagicBoots posted:Our AMMs only have a 10% hit rate even if we have enough time to launch them. Additionally there is no "tanking" to be done here, notice that their missiles do enough damage to penetrate our armor belt in one hit. As a result every missile impact is going to do systems damage. Yeah, I got that. I wasn't really seeing it as tanking with our hull as much as running out of healthy ships.
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FROM: Commander Kal-L, UNMS Leeds TO: UNIN RE: Finding a way out. I theorize that the Skory task group was en route to help the downed Moskva. They probably have orders similars to ours to engage if provoked, and from their point of view, a boarding party that is taking their people prisoner is a provocation. I'd also be very surprised if the scuttled Moskva didn't send an SOS to the Skory before they activated their explosives. The best our task group can do right now is get away. The personnel of UNS Negros will be taken prisoner. We have our own prisoners from the other 2 Moskvas for a future prisoner exchange. Engaging the Skory at this time and place serves no purpose. I believe Councilor Ceebees suggestion of breaking the PHALANX task group into different directions for a later rendevouz is the best course of action. I'd say that the lessons so far is that our attack ships need better sensors, and better Anti-Missile defenses. Someone should try and open diplomatic communications with the Feds. If not a proper negotiation, at least a meeting to define the terms of the negotiation. Tell them we might have some proposals they might like to hear in a no binding manner, and it will be done in private so they can keep their public hard line on the BFM. Tell them they at least owe to themselves to take a glimpse at what we might offer.
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rizzen posted:We are so boned. Should have waited to make any serious engagements with Fred until we have an extra-solar base or at least overwhelming force. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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Scribbleykins posted:Potentially buying us a few mosquito attempts at 10% is still better than no chance at mosquito hits at all and just taking it on the chin, which I got the impression was what was happening here. Could be wrong, though, as the mosquitoes were launched. It depends. The main problem with this crisis is that it's happening right as the fleet is not only split up, but before the Berlin modernisation program has even properly started. It's also possible that we're behind in relevant technologies. After the crisis there might need to be a chat about whether or not our fleet doctrine has fundamental flaws (ie. anti-missile systems that don't work), whether it never actually got a chance (because we were caught unprepared for a conflict), or whether the Federation just has a qualitative advantage in technology that needs to be addressed.
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Didn't we agree that this was a probe/trap and that we should get out of dodge yesterday? Why did PHALANX stay for hours to save the crewmembers of a silent ship? Regardless, we now have important information on the Skory's capabilities; our sensors and missile control systems are definitely inferior and we are likely to lose this war. It is time to peace out. Readingaccount fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Mar 31, 2013 |
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