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Color Printer posted:Going by some other pages, I'm pretty sure they're all just like Avatar with different Assets/Flaws. We only have their caps (which are +Asset/-Flaw), but nobody's really bothered figuring out their growths yet. DLC Marth's growths have been available since almost the time he was first released in Japan, and his growths (even discounting Aptitude) look nothing like the relatively middling Avatar's growths. Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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Are mages tough to defend against for everyone else? All but about two or three of my units have a resistance of less than 15, so all these guys popping up with thoron and bolganone are forcing me to pretty much circle the wagons around my tacticians, use rally spectrum, then play the waiting game, or blitz a high speed unit towards them and hope that the 20% hit chance is crap enough to not hit them. It's worked so far, but it seems weird that virtually no one can take a hit from a magic user. I'd expect it from my avatar since I went Str+ and Res- (then he was basically a mage from then on, whoops), but even my sages and pegasus users get beat down by them if I'm not careful. Meanwhile, physical weapons can do nothing against my team. I solo'd Walhart with one unit both times, in SB3 the Black Knight could do nothing, and so on. If it's nothing but weapon users I've basically won the fight before its started.
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RBA Starblade posted:Are mages tough to defend against for everyone else? All but about two or three of my units have a resistance of less than 15, so all these guys popping up with thoron and bolganone are forcing me to pretty much circle the wagons around my tacticians, use rally spectrum, then play the waiting game, or blitz a high speed unit towards them and hope that the 20% hit chance is crap enough to not hit them. It's worked so far, but it seems weird that virtually no one can take a hit from a magic user. I'd expect it from my avatar since I went Str+ and Res- (then he was basically a mage from then on, whoops), but even my sages and pegasus users get beat down by them if I'm not careful. Meanwhile, physical weapons can do nothing against my team. I solo'd Walhart with one unit both times, in SB3 the Black Knight could do nothing, and so on. If it's nothing but weapon users I've basically won the fight before its started. On my first file, basically nobody but Donnel, Nowi, and Nah had any defenses at all - Defense and Resistance were awful for everyone. So I wasn't just getting smashed by magic users, when I hit the other continent and everything started wielding Silver weapons, I was taking all sorts of damage. Hell, I literally could not beat SB3 because every time I tried, somebody would die. Same thing for Infinite Regalia. (In the end, I started a new file, since I had some changes I wanted to make anyway.)
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Anyone with Sorcerer can get Tomebreaker, which is an okay way of mitigating magic. Also if you have Lost Bloodlines 2, you can get Dread Scrolls and make males Dread Fighters for RES+10.
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Any ideas for Owain's father assuming I want him to be a physical-attack based character?
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sunburnedcrow posted:Any ideas for Owain's father assuming I want him to be a physical-attack based character? Lissa's lovely strength mod kinda screws him there. Stahl gives him incredibly middling modifiers (but positive all around!) and access to Luna, Vaike gives him the best strength mod he gets outside of +str. Male Avatar (+2) and access to Sol, Lon'Qu gives good speed and the Wyvern tree but keeps str and def at -1 and -2 respectively and Kellam gives him decent defensive stats and Luna. Really, Owain gets screwed by Lissa's modifiers physically. And all his physical dads are better elsewhere (except for Stahl). Also, all his best dads give him terrible hair. 
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sunburnedcrow posted:Any ideas for Owain's father assuming I want him to be a physical-attack based character? Vaike is the best, unless you already have him somewhere else. Lissa's modifiers are pretty terrible for a physical unit, so it's basically whatever you can do to cover for her.
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Zore posted:Also, all his best dads give him terrible hair. What do you have against Blonde Owain?!
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Tae posted:What do you have against Blonde Owain?! It just looks wrong to me, okay? I paired her with Ricken my first go around so reddish hair Owain stuck in my head. I almost exclusively paired her with Libra in my later playthroughs though. It still feels wrong. Much like Yarne not having a weird shock of green hair. Or like Gerome does when he's not shockingly blonde. I wish I wasn't so OCD about inheritance so I could stand to have a full run where I paired for hair color. Mostly because that would be hilarious.
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I paired up a blonde Avatar with Sumia in my male Avatar playthrough because admit it you could totally imagine Cynthia as a dumb blonde  That S support didn't hurt any either. vSomeone should make Olivia marry a pink-haired Avatar so, well... Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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Apr 6, 2013 06:32
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If we're talking about kid hair colors, I'd like to say that Inigo looks super duper with Donnel's slightly purplish hair color. It's almost enough to make me tolerate Inigo! Almost. And I like blonde Owain the best.
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Serifina posted:On my first file, basically nobody but Donnel, Nowi, and Nah had any defenses at all - Defense and Resistance were awful for everyone. So I wasn't just getting smashed by magic users, when I hit the other continent and everything started wielding Silver weapons, I was taking all sorts of damage. Hell, I literally could not beat SB3 because every time I tried, somebody would die. Same thing for Infinite Regalia. (In the end, I started a new file, since I had some changes I wanted to make anyway.) Yeah, this is starting to make things suck. I just hit chapter 21 and now I get to be sniped by ten different sages with a long range spell that doesn't ever miss for a change. Try to use armor to brute force it? gently caress you! Have forged armorslayer spawns everywhere. And some more sages. And some random guy who inexplicably can do 60 damage. I'm not even going to bother with the chests this time, they haven't ever been worth it before anyway, I can just buy everything from the merchants. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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You have some terrible luck if you're getting killed by the Mire guys. Are you not using Pair-up and/or Rally Spectrum?
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RBA Starblade posted:Yeah, this is starting to make things suck. I just hit chapter 21 and now I get to be sniped by ten different sages with a long range spell that doesn't ever miss for a change. Try to use armor to brute force it? gently caress you! Have forged armorslayer spawns everywhere. And some more sages. And some random guy who inexplicably can do 60 damage. I'm not even going to bother with the chests this time, they haven't ever been worth it before anyway, I can just buy everything from the merchants. I think you may be having terrible luck with level ups or something. How many paralogues have you done, what's the average level of your team and who are you usually using? I've never seen the Mire guys have more than 8-10% hit in that chapter on my guys, and they're usually doing 5-15 damage max. And the other enemies in that chapter haven't ever given me issues, I normally even let my two 'thieves' run around unpaired to get the treasure efficiently. I'm also pretty sure one of those chests has a Naga's Tear which would help you out a lot, +5 Hp and +2 to every other stat.
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Red Hair Owain is the best Owain. It's sufficiently anime for this single most anime team member.
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Zore posted:I think you may be having terrible luck with level ups or something. How many paralogues have you done, what's the average level of your team and who are you usually using? All paralogues up to 21, usually fight most risen as they appear, do most escorts, etc. Gaius kind of petered out, but Anna's been working well as a thief. Average level are promoted, 10-15. This is the first level to give me issues in a while, mostly because of the magic. Oddly though this time is going much better, they're all trying to kill Gregor but they only have a 20% chance to hit. Last time around they were hitting my avatar for 15 damage at 87% hit chance. A lot of my characters have ended up as pretty worthless, though. Tharja, Cherche, and Henry's levels have been underwhelming and they're functionally worthless, but others such as Kellam, Sully, and Kjelle basically can't die (except for when Mr. Forged Armorslayer with his fancy 27x2 damage walks up, I guess). My average team is Chrom, Avatar (went from tactician to level 20 grandmaster to currently level 12-15 dark knight), Morgan (level 15 grandmaster, most powerful unit by far), Sully, Vaike, Kellam, Tiki, Gregor, Miriel, Lissa (her stats petered out but she's still a good healbot), Laurent (Avatar is father, made him a wyvern knight because I'm dumb and thought dark fliers were wyverns for a while, so now he's a griffon knight and sitting pretty), and I rotate a few others in and out for supports. I really need to use Olivia, Panne, and a few others more just to get their paralogues and children, but they're either too weak or too terrible and it'd be kind of tedious. The odd thing is my level ups for my main guys have been great, they just have poo poo resistance all around.
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RBA Starblade posted:All paralogues up to 21, usually fight most risen as they appear, do most escorts, etc. Gaius kind of petered out, but Anna's been working well as a thief. Average level are promoted, 10-15. This is the first level to give me issues in a while, mostly because of the magic. Oddly though this time is going much better, they're all trying to kill Gregor but they only have a 20% chance to hit. Last time around they were hitting my avatar for 15 damage at 87% hit chance. A lot of my characters have ended up as pretty worthless, though. Tharja, Cherche, and Henry's levels have been underwhelming and they're functionally worthless, but others such as Kellam, Sully, and Kjelle basically can't die (except for when Mr. Forged Armorslayer with his fancy 27x2 damage walks up, I guess). My average team is Chrom, Avatar (went from tactician to level 20 grandmaster to currently level 12-15 dark knight), Morgan (level 15 grandmaster, most powerful unit by far), Sully, Vaike, Kellam, Tiki, Gregor, Miriel, Lissa (her stats petered out but she's still a good healbot), Laurent (Avatar is father, made him a wyvern knight because I'm dumb and thought dark fliers were wyverns for a while, so now he's a griffon knight and sitting pretty), and I rotate a few others in and out for supports. I really need to use Olivia, Panne, and a few others more just to get their paralogues and children, but they're either too weak or too terrible and it'd be kind of tedious. Weird. I usually go in around then and steamroll that place and I've never seen my Avatar with that kind of avoid. Are you pairing everyone up with their S-rank supports all, or most, of the time? The stat boosts and flat bonuses help a ton, as do the dual guards. I'm usually rocking a full complement of Chrom, Olivia, Avatar, Avatar's wife (Tharja/Lissa) and as many kids as I can shove in at that point though. And I always grind support ranks up, if not levels.
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Zore posted:Weird. I usually go in around then and steamroll that place and I've never seen my Avatar with that kind of avoid. Are you pairing everyone up with their S-rank supports all, or most, of the time? The stat boosts and flat bonuses help a ton, as do the dual guards. Welp, the reinforcements spawned a turn early, the armorslayer guy has astra, he used it twice and killed Gregor with 8x10 damage and an assassin just sniped Lissa. gently caress. All units have a and s rank support most of the time, and stay close to each other to cover. They're all married, more or less (Gregor was married to Tharja, who ended up poo poo, so he kind of just moved over to whoever else is around).
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Well the last resort is playing with just Avatar/Chrom (I hope they have minimum A support?), change Avatar to Sorcerer, and Nosferatu tank your way to the bottom (It's a kill commander map IIRC).
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Tae posted:Well the last resort is playing with just Avatar/Chrom (I hope they have minimum A support?), change Avatar to Sorcerer, and Nosferatu tank your way to the bottom (It's a kill commander map IIRC). It is, and just having Sully/Vaike and Kjelle/Laurent blitz for the commander with a total disregard for what's coming while everyone else just stands on all the reinforcement spots for the rest of the map is working pretty well. Usually its unintentional for all the enemies to kamikaze on one or two units, but I'm using that to my advantage now. I hate this game's reinforcements so much. The worst thing is the reinforcements always seem harder than the boss; I keep killing them before they can fight back with one unit. I think after this I'm going to take a break and focus on getting supports up for other characters. The children are going to suck, but I want to at least do the paralogues. They can't be any worse than how Noire turned out anyway. Gregor and Tharja make for a real lovely combo. The dialogue was funny though.
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Thanks for the advice, I guess physical based Owain isn't that great in the end.
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sunburnedcrow posted:Thanks for the advice, I guess physical based Owain isn't that great in the end. If you want a good compromise with Owain, you can make Henry his father. Henry doesn't give him any strength penalty, at least, and passes down some very useful classes. Owain makes a pretty good Dread Fighter, if you have access to that DLC. He can use swords, axes, and tomes, and the Dread Fighter caps are pretty nice. For fun, give him a Killing Edge. Then he'll basically look like the supreme Goon, wielding his precious katana with a cat Kabuki mask on one shoulder.
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Silver Falcon posted:If you want a good compromise with Owain, you can make Henry his father. Henry doesn't give him any strength penalty, at least, and passes down some very useful classes. Owain makes a pretty good Dread Fighter, if you have access to that DLC. He can use swords, axes, and tomes, and the Dread Fighter caps are pretty nice. For fun, give him a Killing Edge. Then he'll basically look like the supreme Goon, wielding his precious katana with a cat Kabuki mask on one shoulder. I made Owain a Dread Fighter too since I wasn't really sure what else to do with him and he does pretty well in fights.
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Dread Fighter's STR cap is a lot higher than its MAG cap, so that somewhat makes up for his modifiers. Lissa's MAG caps will make his Dread Fighter MAG cap pretty good, and even a penalty won't be too awful on his STR. Plus the class just fits him so well, and he gets Swordfaire, Axefaire, and Tomefaire so you can build him any particular way.
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Silver Falcon posted:If you want a good compromise with Owain, you can make Henry his father. Henry doesn't give him any strength penalty, at least, and passes down some very useful classes. Owain makes a pretty good Dread Fighter, if you have access to that DLC. He can use swords, axes, and tomes, and the Dread Fighter caps are pretty nice. For fun, give him a Killing Edge. Then he'll basically look like the supreme Goon, wielding his precious katana with a cat Kabuki mask on one shoulder. Henry!Owain as a Dread Fighter will have these caps (true modifiers in parentheses) if you decide to max him out: HP: 80 (+0) Str: 42 (+0) Mag: 42 (+4) Skill: 42 (+2) Speed: 42 (+1) Luck: 46 (+1) Def: 40 (+1) Res: 44 (+1) Which means he can pretty much use any weapon that the Dread Fighter class offers. Not to mention, as others have said, he gets Swordfaire, Axefaire, and Tomefaire, regardless of father, which owns. Owain is, in my eyes, the perfect guy to reclass into a Dread Fighter: his lopsided caps through his mother, as well as his personality and the appearance of the Dread Fighter class as a whole, coupled with pretty decent stats as one overall and access to some pretty good offensive skills, means I can't really see him as any other class. 
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Red Hair Owain is the best Owain. It's sufficiently anime for this single most anime team member. Or orange hair. Regular hair just doesn't look right. As for his father, I'd REALLY recommend building him as a caster than a close combat character. I know it doesn't exactly match his character, but Lissa just kills his chances of having a really good strength or defense score. If you must go that route, I'd get him lethality (either inherited or through his own classes), and build him more for skill/spd than strength or defense, making him more of a glass hammer. His best father using this strategy would probably be Lon'qu or Gaius; although Donnel, Virion, Gregor, or a strength/skill based male Avatar would also work. If you're me, and you want the most awesome character to have equally awesome hair, you make his father Gaius or Gregor.
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On my first playthrough I had my Avatar be Owain's father and gave him magic swords, and that worked pretty excellently. Plus him having ridiculous light blue hair fits his personality really well.
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Blompkin posted:Or orange hair. Regular hair just doesn't look right. Lethality is negated by every enemy in The Strongest One's Name, as well as activates too infrequently for what it needs to do. Usually Owain should be able to kill an enemy without it anyways, assuming he's strong enough (if he isn't, there's a huge problem). It's better to give him defensive abilities like Sol.
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Is being forever poor a thing in this game? I just got donnel to 10 and he's already starting to be a badass, critting all over the place. So do I wait till 15 for his skill or go right for speccing him as a merc? I don't know when I should reclass or promote certain dudes. Any tips?
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is being forever poor a thing in this game? Money is pretty hard to get in this game, especially if you don't have the DLC and don't/can't grind Risen battles. Harder difficulties will always be strapped for cash without the Golden Gaffe DLC, but in Normal Mode you can buy Reeking Boxes and come out with a bit of a profit with every single box. quote:So do I wait till 15 for his skill or go right for speccing him as a merc? Underdog really isn't that great, but you can get it if you're one of those types that insists on having all the skills possible on a character. 10 should be just fine if you're just trying to get a usable Donny. quote:I don't know when I should reclass or promote certain dudes. Any tips? A good rule of thumb, assuming you have a Second Seal handy, is to take a look to see if there's any classes you want the skills from and/or to promote to once a character hits Level 10. If you want to reclass them, do it at level 10 and then promote at level 10 once you have all the skills you want from the character's base class selection. If you don't want to reclass, promote them at 20 or reclass them at 20 to the same class they're already in to get more levels/stats. KataraniSword fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Apr 6, 2013 |
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is being forever poor a thing in this game? You can go straight to Merc with no big loss - Underdog isn't always a very useful skill (although there is debate on this one, so, it's up to you). You'll start getting money "normally" later on, or you can buy Reeking Boxes to summon Risen (if you're on normal, grinding Reeking Boxes is a net gain), or get the gold DLC map (which is kind of a cheat, but it's up to you). The most recommended action seems to be to reclass at 10 at least once for better stats/quicker levelling, then promote when you hit 10 again. Of course, if a character is already maxing out stats, go ahead and promote them. The thing is, promoting slows down levelling since it adds quick a bit to your effective level for XP gain, so unless you're at least past, I think, Chapter 13 or so, it's hard to get enemies that are strong enough to give decent XP. (Again, easily fixed with the XP DLC map, but agian, kind of a cheat - you can also grind Reeking Box Risen encounters for XP, too, or even Spotpass teams.)
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is being forever poor a thing in this game? No, money is tight at first, but it becomes much less of an issue as the game goes on. Donnel's 15 skill is bad, you'll get far greater returns just reclassing him now. As for promotion and reclassing, I basically recommend the following: 1) You have a level 10 unit. Do you have a Second Seal? Go to 2, if not, go to 4) 2) Reclass if they have a good option, then go to 3). By this, I mean they have good stats in the new class, and don't need to grind out weapon ranks. If not, go to 4) 3) Level back to 10 from 1, promote. 4) Go straight to 20, promote.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is being forever poor a thing in this game? Doing the main game missions, or the Golden Gaffe DLC, will have you swimming in money. The Villager's second skill blows, change him asap. None of his other classes can use lances so working on his sword/axe rank is better than a skill that usually won't come into play. General rule is you want people to have gained at least 20 levels before promoting in whatever unpromoted classes. Hold off if their stats aren't creeping into the 20's at that point though, promoting cripples exp gain and you want low-stats people to keep leveling. Reclass people if there are skills you want from unpromoted classes, like vantage, or if you want them to jump into a non-default adavnced class to pick up a skill (Chrom-> Cavalier-> Great Knight for Luna before swinging back to Great Lord etc.) If they have no good classes to reclass too (Tharja, Ricken), and you don't have Bride/Dread Fighter, use a second seal at 20 to reclass them back to level one in their original class or promote them based on their stats.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is being forever poor a thing in this game? If you are on normal you can farm money through Reeking Boxes. I didn't wait to get his 15 skill, I don't think it would be that useful. And there really isn't a bad class, although personally I don't like Snipers, Warriors, Griffin Riders, Generals, or Dark Fliers outside of some useful skills. Edit: Tharja with Luna and Pavise isn't bad. The Dark Mage/Sorcerer line doesn't offer great skills in themselves. do u believe in marigolds fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Apr 7, 2013 |
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I think I'm gonna pair off Sully and Donnel, even though people say to wait for this other dragon girl thing. I'm gonna marry sumia to chrom tho, because right now him and the avatar have the highest support rating and I don't want that :S
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Is being forever poor a thing in this game? If you really need money, reclassing people to Barbarian for Despoil tends to end up drowning you in money forever.
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Manatee Cannon posted:If you really need money, reclassing people to Barbarian for Despoil tends to end up drowning you in money forever. Skirmishes really help as well. Buillon (L)s drop in abundance if you're not willing to pay for the Golden Pack.
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Just get merc Donny up enough and give him Leif's sword. You'll be rolling in money.
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Henry as Owain's dad just works so well. The kid being nuts makes sense considering his father is nuts, Lissa and Henry are both magic users, and Owain as a Dark Knight using the lightning sword both fits his character really well and works very well given his stats.
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DoctorStrangelove posted:Just get merc Donny up enough and give him Leif's sword. You'll be rolling in money. This is pretty much the best way to do it if you need to grind and don't want The Golden Gaffe.
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