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Paulocaust posted:Hahahaha what? okay i like the mcdonagh pick. NOW there are no elite defenders left
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Verviticus posted:okay Yep. No one pick D until the 10th round now.
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Verviticus posted:dang, ten games!! thats like 300 saves I was trying to point out that the difference in goaltending talent in the league is not nearly as massive as it was some time ago. Right now the average goaltender has a .917 or .918 save percentage, whereas .925 is considered top level goaltending. As mentholmoose pointed out the difference in expected wins over the course of an entire season is not large, and over a 4-7 game playoff series it's not a much of a factor at all. And no I'm not a big fan of GVT, for goaltenders it's basically that calculation you described where they figure out how many saves an "average" goaltender would make facing as many shots as the subject, then take the difference between actual and typical to determine how many goals are saved. I don't know what other calculations could be done to determine goaltending talent considering there are not many stats kept for goalies besides save percentage and GAA, but that sort of equation completely ignores the effect of defensive systems and even something as simple as the effect a scorekeeper can have on goaltender stats by counting more or less shots against the home team.
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Apr 14, 2013 23:34
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honestly there arent many good players left at all now. there's probably gonna be a run on premium facepunchers soon
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Apr 14, 2013 23:34
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There are great players left, there just won't be by the time I pick in 20 picks. Fuckin sucks. Paulo, you're up next.
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Apr 14, 2013 23:53
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No, elmer fud is isn't he?
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Apr 14, 2013 23:55
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You've got it backwards, son. elmer fud/Blues are up
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Apr 14, 2013 23:55
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That's what I meant
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Apr 14, 2013 23:56
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There are tons of great players left. Just not many great players on great contracts.
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Starsfan posted:I was trying to point out that the difference in goaltending talent in the league is not nearly as massive as it was some time ago. Right now the average goaltender has a .917 or .918 save percentage, whereas .925 is considered top level goaltending. As mentholmoose pointed out the difference in expected wins over the course of an entire season is not large, and over a 4-7 game playoff series it's not a much of a factor at all. He corrects for it to an extent. From Tom Award: quote:We have to do one last adjustment to the GGVT. In practice, a goaltender�s save percentage is not uniquely due to his own caliber of play: some of it is due to the quality of the shots he faces. We can see this because, historically, the save percentages of #1 and #2 goalies on the same team tend to be about 15% correlated, and because goaltenders who are traded to new teams often see their save percentage change significantly. Therefore, I attribute 75% of the responsibility of stopping a shot to the goaltender and 25% of it to the team�s defense. There is also shot quality neutral save percentage, but I'm not sure where you could pull stats for this season for that. In the last 5 season, not including this one (as it's not over) there have been 15 goaltender performances above .925, another 34 above .920. Yes, that is up from the past, but .925 is still less than 10% of all full-season performances in that span, and .92-.925 is around 20%. These are exceptional performances. The numbers from 98-2002 are interesting. The numbers have clearly moved. code:
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Sorry I just woke up. I'm on my phone so I'll edit in more when I'm done. We'll take #1 cop bobrovsky. Sorry it took so long.
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Apr 15, 2013 00:47
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The best pick
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Apr 15, 2013 00:49
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Oh also a McDonaugh thing I found interesting - you know he has played the most ES minutes (well, /60 of play) of any D in the league this year?
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elmer fud posted:Sorry I just woke up. I'm on my phone so I'll edit in more when I'm done. We'll take #1 cop bobrovsky. Sorry it took so long. you own
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Apr 15, 2013 00:51
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I like Bob, but the body of work in the NHL isn't there, up to this point.
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Bob's the flavor of the moment imo. He's hot now but will he keep it up? He was poo poo the year before.
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 With the 59th pick of the draft, the Dallas Stars select Mikko Koivu  After examining the remaining centers available, I had to select Koivu. He's not a sexy pick, and his contract is not very good, but it's difficult to pass up a guy with his blend of offense and defense. Koivu is an elite defensive center (if you disagree with the use of the word 'elite', then I'll use 'great' to appease you), with the ability to put up 65-70 points. He's 30 now, but I don't think he's going to decline that rapidly with the skill set he has, and I think he'll perfectly compliment the other Dallas Stars drafted player, Taylor Hall.
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 With the 60th pick of the SAS Draft, the Winnipeg Jets select Jordan Eberle. Age: 22 Cap Hit: 6.0 million through 2018-19  Rationale: Young player with 75 points last season locked down for 6 years? Sure, why the hell not. I acknowledge I'm buying on potential after 2011-2012, but he has experience putting up points with decent centers. I think he'll be a good match for Crosby, and contract-wise he's in for a few seasons. My next pick will be incoming in a few minutes.
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Jordan Eberle was the player I was surprised wasn't taken in the first round. I almost grabbed him at 59, but I thought I needed a center more.
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I like that pick a lot. Eberle seems like the type of player who could think the game well enough to play with Crosby.
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Eberle is a good pick, I was hoping he might fall to me in the third but I knew there was about a 0% chance of that happening.
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Twin Cinema posted:Jordan Eberle was the player I was surprised wasn't taken in the first round. I almost grabbed him at 59, but I thought I needed a center more. im not surprised. if this was the end of last year im sure someone would have but his contract loving sucks sucks sucks and its bad edit: and thats AFTER he had a better year this year than last Verviticus fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Apr 15, 2013 01:22
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I don't like the numbers behind Eberle's performance, but gently caress it. The guy is clutch and that counts for something. Also, he's paired with Crosby in this scenario. That does change things.
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So, here are the teams so far: Crosby/Eberle Hall/M. Koivu Stamkos/Bobrovsky Malkin/McDonagh Karlsson/Neal Tavares/Yandle Giroux/Hedman Toews/Voynov Kopitar/Rinne Ovechkin/Huberdeau P. Kane/Phaneuf Datsyuk/Kessel Subban/Semin Price/H. Sedin Weber/Pacioretty Lundqvist/Chara Parise/Landeskog Quick/Perry Getzlaf/Suter Seguin/Nugent-Hopkins Benn/Shattenkirk Backstrom/Ekman-Larsson Rask/Spezza E. Staal/Kovalchuk Duchene/Doughty E. Kane/Lehtonen Couture/Letang Schneider/Keith Ladd/Nash Pietrangelo/Bergeron
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Jordan7hm posted:The guy is clutch and that counts for something. no it doesnt!!!
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Goddamn I'm glad that I got Ottawa because when I saw that it was a conseus pick in the first round I thought of PMing not sure and vote for Tavares and now I got him. I mean I would've liked to have OEL with him but Yandle is actually better with that setup pass than OEL so he might work even better. Just need some wingers and a stable G and I got a good core. EDIT: Also, so far I'd say the best pairing is Karlsson/Neal, Rask/Spezza or Crosby/Eberle and the worst are Ladd/Nash or Duchene/Doughty. Rutkowski fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Apr 15, 2013 |
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Verviticus posted:no it doesnt!!! Just what a Vancouver fan would be expected to say.
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My least favourite duo on that list is my own. And Ladd/Nash.
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Apr 15, 2013 01:33
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look at this clutch year: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4498/gamelog as soon as the team hits the top 8 he goes cold as ice
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Verviticus posted:look at this clutch year: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/4498/gamelog Random NHL games isn't where clutch matters sir. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piXP-wZmzc4 e: (Like I said, I don't like the numbers that support his gaudy scoring numbers. But... can't deny he has been superb at stealing the moment a couple times now.)
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Jordan7hm posted:Random NHL games isn't where clutch matters sir. but someone always needs to steal those moments and it just happened to be eberle once or twice. still doesn't mean anything for the future that goal is the only reason i even like eberle a little bit
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With the 61st pick in the SAS Draft, the Winnipeg Jets select defenseman Dustin Byfuglien  Age: 28 Cap Hit: 5.2 million through 2015-16 Rationale: I needed a two-way defensemen with experience playing two-way hockey. Dustin has the stats and is locked in for a decent time period at an acceptable cap-hit. I'm probably hosed for a defensemen with decent stats and a decent cap hit by the time another 58 picks come around, so I needed to strike now while the irons are hot.
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Apr 15, 2013 01:42
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Boomer loadin up on offense. I like it. Please make an all offense team.
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Apr 15, 2013 01:47
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Boooo. I thought SAS's fatism would ensure he fell to me. Like the pick a lot.
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Apr 15, 2013 01:48
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I wanted Big Buff so bad, or at least some sort of Habs/Jets presence on my team without overpaying for them
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Lundqvist/Chara and E.Staal/Kovalchuk are still my favorite duos, but I also like Backstrom/OEL and Malkin/McDonagh quite a bit. Duchene/Doughty is underrated. Don't agree with the folks hating on that.
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Apr 15, 2013 01:58
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I think the backlash on Ladd/Nash is a tad rash. Actually, no I don't. That team stinks.
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Apr 15, 2013 02:01
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I don't like having around 19 million across 3 players, but there's a lot of cheap options out there if I'm willing to gamble.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:
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T-Bone posted:Lundqvist/Chara and E.Staal/Kovalchuk are still my favorite duos, but I also like Backstrom/OEL and Malkin/McDonagh quite a bit. I don't either. Thanks for having my back.
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