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DiabloCthulhu posted:Orenronen, is it okay to bring up birthdays of characters from DR1? As far as I know, they're not posted in the DR1 thread, but I remember people wishing happy birthdays there.  *Translator's Note: Odanjyoubi omedatou means happy birthday.
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I told you that story in confidence Merc...
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Apr 16, 2013 23:56
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Merc what the gently caress man I -Tesseraction posted:I told you that story in confidence Merc... I mean, hey everybody, look at this loser! Hahaha ah haha
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Apr 17, 2013 00:40
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Mercury Hat posted:
I believe this is what is known in Japan as... sugoi.
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Apr 17, 2013 01:01
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Mercury Hat posted:
Ehh, I've seen worse. (I certainly wish I hadn't, though)
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Apr 17, 2013 01:05
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Mercury Hat posted:*Translator's Note: Odanjyoubi omedatou means happy birthday. The comic itself is super cute, but the Japanese needed checking... it's "oTanjyoubi omedEtou." Well, I thought it was cute.
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Apr 17, 2013 01:19
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Calico Heart posted:Hanamura I'm iffy on, but Mondo gets none of my sympathy. Anyone who violently beats a little girl to death (Okay, his gender was male, but he had the physical strength and timidness of a little girl) out of petty jealousy and shame deserves nothing. Especially considering he was perfectly willing to go with "Yeah, it was Sho/Togami!" and doom everyone else to death. Mondo was a major rear end in a top hat. I think this is a little bit of a misrepresentation of how the Mondo case went. First, Chihiro was not "violently beaten to death". The case file says the murder was caused by a single blow to the back of the head, which is a lot different from what you're describing. It shows, and the trial+ Monobear confirm, that Mondo had a sudden realization of his weakness and panicked, "ending up" killing Chihiro for her inner strength. This alone would be enough for me to maybe consider him a character I could pity, just because of the hosed up situation they're all put in, and having already watched 3 classmates die. But it doesn't end there. Mondo's actions in covering up Chihiro's birth sex speak volumes for his character. The actions specifically he took in destroying the Student ID card of Chihiro are key here. That wasn't really a necessary thing to do to cover up his involvement in the murder (and obviously he didn't want to be caught, he wanted to keep his gang together), so why did he do it? He did it to protect Chihiro's secret, because it was told in confidence to him. And his moral code, along with his friendship to Chihiro, made him do a bunch of crazy convoluted things to keep her secret safe. These actions speak to me as coming from a character I can feel sorry for, and that I think outside of a huge mistake (not to make light of what essentially equates to Manslaughter) Mondo was a decent guy. And I just felt like Hanamura's case drew a lot of parallels.
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Apr 17, 2013 01:20
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zetsubous posted:The comic itself is super cute, but the Japanese needed checking... it's "oTanjyoubi omedEtou." Oregato gozeimasu I will take your comments into consideration.
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Apr 17, 2013 01:22
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Tomn posted:Why, yes, teenagers should indeed have better control of themselves and willingly agree to their own deaths!
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Apr 17, 2013 01:54
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Zereth posted:... Is it just me or was that execution significantly less physically possible than anything in the first game, even if you ignore that volcanoes don't work that way? Summoning a giant flour bomb out of thin air somehow and so on. Monobear seems to be outright magic this time around. The ridiculousness of the execution didn't throw me that much (although the boiling-oil volcano was a little over-elaborate even for the game that gave us Versailles
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Apr 17, 2013 01:56
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Mercury Hat posted:
So is this how Yamada see's himself?
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Apr 17, 2013 01:57
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Holy poo poo that smug Hanamura pig is the best. Teruteru's backstory was maudlin and Komaeda's going to end up living to the end like Syo for reasons that are increasingly inexplicable, but that is an amazing pig-man. Tacticool Togami was great too.
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Apr 17, 2013 02:00
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GrizzlyCow posted:I do disagree with the notion that Mondo was a much better person than any of the other murderers from the first game. I basically agree with this statement, but I think it's an important theme of the first game that all of the murderers are at least somewhat sympathetic, with the possible exception of Celes. If Mondo edges out the others in sympathy, it's because his murder was clearly the least premeditated of the lot, a crime of stress and mental weakness more than malice; Leon is largely in the same category, and has the benefit of not knowing that "graduation" would doom everyone and not just his victim, but still committed a more premeditated crime (breaking into the bathroom to finish Maizono off). Yamada's crime was pretty callously premeditated, but he was also working on false information and being played like a fiddle by Celes... and Celes herself, for all her cruelty, earns a tiny bit of sympathy by virtue of still being a stupid teenager who lived more in fantasy than the real world. DR1 is really good at not making any of its killers cackling supervillains -- well, until Junko, at least, but she works better for being contrasted with relatively realistic characters.
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So I'm halfway through the latest update and I promise that I'll read every post before I post again, but, man-  The murdergoblin template looks awesome using a tablecloth for a cape, and with a bone skewer. Nobody has ever looked that awesome wearing a sheet, and I just tried it. Can someone please draw what Hanamura would look like wearing the same thing? I somehow doubt he could pull if off without that murdergoblin figure. Pester fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 02:23
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That first trial was... pretty messed up. I wonder if someone actually will (try to) kill Komaeda to protect the group. Though, if their heart's really in the right place, that might lead to one of the shortest trial's ever. Unless it's like a series of crazy circumstances like in Sakura's case where multiple people are convinced that they in fact are the killer. Also, I admit I was kinda worried when Monobear introduced his cadre of giant robo/animal death machines that all the executions would be a lot less creative this time around, but that was actually a lot more effort than many of the other ones from the last game. Mondo's in particular wasn't really too impressive, in retrospect. Plus he took it like the complete bancho that he was. (Or is! In my version of events Monobear actually teleported him back to his parent's house in Japan, whereupon he traveled to not-Kyoto to prove that he is in fact the single most badass high schooler amongst all of his peers throughout the entire country. Monobear was able to replicate Doc Brown technology on a smaller vehicle using the apparently-infinite supply of money that he has to splurge on his executions.)
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Apr 17, 2013 02:29
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Pester posted:The murdergoblin template looks awesome using a tablecloth for a cape, and with a bone skewer. Nobody has ever looked that awesome wearing a sheet, and I just tried it. Can someone please draw what Hanamura would look like wearing the same thing? I somehow doubt he could pull if off without that murdergoblin figure. Okay. 
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Apr 17, 2013 02:31
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kidcoelacanth posted:Okay. Now he just looks like a marshmallow. A delicious fried marshmallow.
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Apr 17, 2013 02:46
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zetsubous posted:The comic itself is super cute, but the Japanese needed checking... it's "oTanjyoubi omedEtou." It's not supposed to come across as cute. It's supposed to be pathetic and creepy, wishing happy birthday to a fictional character.
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Apr 17, 2013 02:56
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zetsubous posted:The comic itself is super cute, but the Japanese needed checking... it's "oTanjyoubi omedEtou." It is a joke. It is a joke intending to make fun of people who do these things. Maybe you should take some time to check out the rest of the forums, SA is pretty different from Tumblr. e: gently caress this is what I get for not refreshing before posting 
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Apr 17, 2013 02:59
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Adrastus posted:It's not supposed to come across as cute. It's supposed to be pathetic and creepy, wishing happy birthday to a fictional character. Then it failed to do so, and the author is more pathetic than those he or she would mock for his or her failure. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 17, 2013 03:15
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Mercury Hat posted:
I'm gonna keep a personal tally of how many people wind up praising/relating to this unironically. Bonus points if they correct you with Asahina's actual birthday (assuming you just pulled April 24th out of your rear end). This is perfect and thank you for making it. Totally looks like something Nedroid would come up with.
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Apr 17, 2013 03:21
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I feel like the Volcano death would have more of an impact if Hanamura didn't look like a Parappa The Rapper reject character in that scene. "Kick! Punch! It's all in my mind! It's all in my OH GOD WHY" Gensuki posted:What is the earliest instance of groups of teenagers being forced to kill each other? It would be nice whenever someone brings up Battle Royale to just go 'actually...' Pretty sure people bring up Battle Royale because it basically defined the genre (even if it didn't necessarily create it). Mercury Hat posted:
kidcoelacanth posted:Okay. These are both amazing.
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TheDavies posted:Then it failed to do so, and the author is more pathetic than those he or she would mock for his or her failure. Hahaha you sound mad as hell. Are you one of those people that the comic is making fun of? Is that why you took offense?
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Apr 17, 2013 03:38
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TheDavies posted:Then it failed to do so, and the author is more pathetic than those he or she would mock for his or her failure. Yeah, but you're more pathetic than both.
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LambdaDelta posted:I think this is a little bit of a misrepresentation of how the Mondo case went. First, Chihiro was not "violently beaten to death". The case file says the murder was caused by a single blow to the back of the head, which is a lot different from what you're describing. It shows, and the trial+ Monobear confirm, that Mondo had a sudden realization of his weakness and panicked, "ending up" killing Chihiro for her inner strength. This alone would be enough for me to maybe consider him a character I could pity, just because of the hosed up situation they're all put in, and having already watched 3 classmates die. I don't think you can kill someone with a dumbbell non-violently. Also, I feel I should mention - in the game dialogue, Mondo says he covered up Chihiro's sex because he didn't want to "break a promise". To me, this doesn't necessarily mean he did it to actively protect Chihiro - or rather I should say, that he cared about protecting Chihiro. He simply cared about his promise to himself that he would never break a promise. Think of it as an Omerta, perhaps. This isn't a point I'll fight that hard, but I feel it should be pointed out that Mondo may not be as dedicated to his friend as he's perceived to be. I also think that it speaks volumes of the guy that when he feels jealous enough, he had a violent outburst and killed someone who was his friend and trusted him. He never planned to kill anyone, sure, but let's really think about this. Chihiro wasn't some rear end in a top hat who was always getting on his nerves. There was no build-up, with him being pushed slowly into it day by day and eventually snapping. Instead, he had the instant reaction to being shamed by someone half his weight who would never fight back of murdering them. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Lance Streetman posted:I feel like the Volcano death would have more of an impact if Hanamura didn't look like a Parappa The Rapper reject character in that scene. I agree, the whole Paper Mario sort of thing was being taken a little too far at that point. They could've at least positioned Hanamura in those scenes in a way where he clearly wasn't just two-dimensional. But on the other hand, I'm not really sure exactly what a person falling into liquid-hot magma is supposed to actually look like. For all I know, maybe they did try something like that and it was just goofy-looking giving the limitations they'd already started using. Or maybe it was considered just too violent? I think someone explained once that blood is cotton-candy-colored in DR because of censorship rules, but while the executions have been really violent I feel like there's a threshold. You don't see the fire truck smashing into Celes, or Mondo actually burning to a crisp. (In fact, the murder scenes have always been way creepier to me--even with the gobs of pink blood, scenes like Maizono's in the first game or Togami's in this one REALLY stick out in my memory. The only comparable execution's probably been the very first one in DR1, given the victim's incredulous look as it's taking place and the length & degree of physical pain that it would have involved.) Calico Heart posted:I also think that it speaks volumes of the guy that when he feels jealous enough, he had a violent outburst and killed someone who was his friend and trusted him. He never planned to kill anyone, sure, but let's really think about this. Chihiro wasn't some rear end in a top hat who was always getting on his nerves. There was no build-up, with him being pushed slowly into it day by day and eventually snapping. Instead, he had the instant reaction to being shamed by someone half his weight who would never fight back of murdering them. Oh, I dunno about all that... I feel like, until you've been put in a situation where you kill your brother in a motorcycle race in a moment of weakness, AND you're both juvenile delinquents AND you're both Japanese, it's really unfair for you to put so much blame on Mondo for the way he reacted to Chihiro. You're sounding like you've never even seen the movie the Breakfast Club!
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antonekens posted:But on the other hand, I'm not really sure exactly what a person falling into liquid-hot magma is supposed to actually look like. ... And then hit the lava. And probably wouldn't sink into it.
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The reason it is not realistic is because looney tunes violence with a sympathetic character and fatal consequences is part of the game's unique unsettling atmosphere. If Wile E Coyote falls out of an airplane he gets squished like a pancake but you know he'll be back. But this isn't Wile E Coyote. You don't need to see a horrible charred body to make the connection that Hanamura is never going to see his mother again. But making a big people sized tempura in a volcano is also kind of funny. But seriously he burnt to death. Which one am I supposed to feel? That's why the scenes look like that.
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He killed to try to go back to his mom, I see.  Although I do wonder how that conversation would play out..."hey mom I am back, and I only had to outright murder one of my peers, and sentence 14 others to be executed! so how have things been with you?"
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Apr 17, 2013 06:54
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Zereth posted:They'd burst into flames. Just learn to hold your breath and you won't drown in the lava.
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NextTime000 posted:He killed to try to go back to his mom, I see. I imagine the conversation would look more like "Hi, mom! I'm home now and absolutely nothing happened, not a single thing. Nope. nothin' at all. How are you?"
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Crowetron posted:I imagine the conversation would look more like "Hi, mom! I'm home now and absolutely nothing happened, not a single thing. Nope. nothin' at all. How are you?" There's a thought for you - suppose that someone DID kill someone else successfully and graduate. It seems a very Monobear thing to do would be for the graduating student to press a button to go free...and also kick off all the executions of every other student, one by one, right in front of the remaining students and the graduate while the ones left in the queue plead and beg and scream and curse out the graduate. Congratulations, you graduated, enjoy your lasting mental trauma!
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RainbowCake posted:It is a joke. It is a joke intending to make fun of people who do these things. Yeah, I got it after the reply to my comment. I think my problem is I'm actually TOO used to the internet outside where people do stuff like that in all earnestness. I'm also too inclined to be complimentary when a piece of fanart isn't a tentacle-covered moeblob with giant breasts or something similarly awful. Edit: To get this back on the DR topic... quote:Also, I feel I should mention - in the game dialogue, Mondo says he covered up Chihiro's sex because he didn't want to "break a promise". To me, this doesn't necessarily mean he did it to actively protect Chihiro - or rather I should say, that he cared about protecting Chihiro. He simply cared about his promise to himself that he would never break a promise. Think of it as an Omerta, perhaps. This isn't a point I'll fight that hard, but I feel it should be pointed out that Mondo may not be as dedicated to his friend as he's perceived to be. I don't know, I think at this point it's really just a matter of interpretation and potentially personal bias. I did take it as protecting Chihiro and I don't think there's necessarily evidence to indicate that it wasn't, but it's also possible that there's no particularly strong evidence that it was. I would certainly find him a lot more sympathetic if that's what it was, because I wasn't especially moved by the stuff with his brother (as with the Hanamura backstory I found it a little bit over-the-top in a way that wasn't as satisfying as, say, Junko's OTTness) but I am still inclined to want to like Mondo. zetsubous fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Tomn posted:There's a thought for you - suppose that someone DID kill someone else successfully and graduate. It seems a very Monobear thing to do would be for the graduating student to press a button to go free...and also kick off all the executions of every other student, one by one, right in front of the remaining students and the graduate while the ones left in the queue plead and beg and scream and curse out the graduate. Still. Some would be less bothered by that than others...  I actually tried to find the panel where her inner monologue has her claiming she'd trade a year of her life for "the death of these idiots". Radian Angle fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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That image looks interesting. Which manga/comic is it from? On an unrelated note, does anyone think that Junko doesn't really understand despair? Just think of the despairing happenings in our normal boring world: - The annual destruction via natural disasters that could have been prevented; - The senseless loss of life in battles that stem from hatred and fear (note that Junko dismissed Mukuro's talent, which contribute much to war, as being obsolete); - The many sufferings of non-human creatures: think of the caterpillar that becomes the helpless host of parasitoids, sometimes even defending for its killers as they eat it inside out, or the plight of a beached whale as its very weight crushed it to death (Zorak can probably elaborate way better than I do); - The very laws of nature itself: for instance, the fact that the increase of entropy in any closed system is irreversible. and so on and on. This is just a little list popped off the top of the head of a college graduate, but Junko, the super-genius that has supposedly orchestrated a worldwide event of despair and (indirectly?) caused the society's symbol of hope to shut down, think that making her classmate kill themselves and execute herself are the ultimate in despair. Granted, those are supposed to be super-talented student from a school representing hope, but those are but a drop in the bucket compared to the things above. By they way, it grated me that a supposedly genius can only talk "despair despair despair" when she opens her mouth. I don't expect DR0's author to be Yukio Mishima and write awesome stuff like "Let the darkness of my heart [...] equal the darkness of the night which encloses those countless lights!", but still.  EDIT - Changed the link for the caterpillar defender to a video because 
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Jeek posted:On an unrelated note, does anyone think that Junko doesn't really understand despair? Just think of the despairing happenings in our normal boring world: Those things can be depressing to think about, but people find ways to keep going, to find some kind of 'hope' for the future to hold on to. Junko's despair comes from the spectacle of these idolized kids killing each other. Also, a game based around those kinds of things wouldn't be much fun.
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Jeek posted:
On an interesting note, I think Junko and Mukuro had different tastes for despair as you can understand. Mukuro was a soldier and reveled in real world despair (probably), because war is terrible: people die, get raped, have homes/lives destroyed, and that is the kind of despair that everyone faces every day. Shieldhill posted:Those things can be depressing to think about, but people find ways to keep going, to find some kind of 'hope' for the future to hold on to. Junko's despair comes from the spectacle of these idolized kids killing each other. Like Shieldhill says, Junko despair comes from spectacle. I would go even further and say she is a fan of utterly senseless despair. While war happens for, arguable, legitimate reasons and battle royale is a despairing spectacle for those participating (which I imagine Junko probably enjoys), I think reasonless, senseless killing between people who are close friends (and only Junko and Mukuro knew these kids were all really close) is probably the most orgasmic thing she could come up with. Basically, Junko and Mukuro enjoyed, probably, different forms of despair.
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kidcoelacanth posted:Okay. Amazing picture and now we need an edit of this after he commits the murder covered in blood
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Jeek posted:This is just a little list popped off the top of the head of a college graduate, but Junko, the super-genius that has supposedly orchestrated a worldwide event of despair and (indirectly?) caused the society's symbol of hope to shut down, think that making her classmate kill themselves and execute herself are the ultimate in despair. Genius does not always equal maturity. Heck, many times it means the exact opposite. Junko is, for all her plot-granted brainpower, still just a teenager.
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