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SwitchbladeKult posted:So... this is kind of a bitch. Blacklight Forum Admin posted:If you're worried about newbies... not sure you should be. Brand-new players aren't going to be noticing the differences between new attachments, they're going to be making higher-level changes: receivers and scopes. By the time they're ready to start trying new things, they're going to have a surprisingly large amount of stuff (and GP) from the Mission Chance Pack. Yeah the admins have their heads up their asses on this one. You can have the option to have a week long rental that is cheaper than renting the same thing 7 days in a row, that is a cool idea, but to take away a one day rental just 'cause is...bone-headed? Ignorant? I'm not sure what word to use so I'll just leave those two there.
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Holy poo poo. Gonna be playing a lot more Elsword and Planetside 2 in the future, I see.  How large is the outcry right now? If it is sufficient and there aren't too many Zombie Apologists, then maybe it'll get reverted?
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Apr 17, 2013 04:01
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I haven't seen a single voice of support for this decision on the official forums, I'm surprised by it honestly. I doubt it'll change anybody's minds though, and it just makes Black Ops 2 look like a good idea for any FPS shooty endeavors in the future.
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Apr 17, 2013 04:07
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Artificer posted:Holy poo poo. Gonna be playing a lot more Elsword and Planetside 2 in the future, I see. I fully expect PWE to react and make some changes; they're not naturally greedy with their funbux economy, I mean the GP chance packs and Mission chance packs were way more generous than anyone would have hoped. However if they were dumb enough to come up with this idea in the first place, then they're entirely capable to make the fix an equally big screwup. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 04:18
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Well, if this game starts being unfun, I can just go to other video games, then. Haven't gotten too attached to this game.
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Apr 17, 2013 04:20
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Artificer posted:Well, if this game starts being unfun, I can just go to other video games, then. Haven't gotten too attached to this game.   I really enjoyed renting a part for a day just to see if they were good on my gun. Playing gun barbies was half the fun, for me at least. This is really a boneheaded move on their part. Maybe I'll wander over to the  forums for a bit later.
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Apr 17, 2013 06:09
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Note that it is now more expensive to "try" a single gun part than it used to cost to rent an entire set--receiver, muzzle, barrel, stock, magazine, and scope. On the other hand, perma-ing armor is now less expensive (like, 6500 GP instead of 11000 GP.) So I guess that's better? Can you still 1-day rent with ZEN? Because if so...Jesus, that's a little bloody obvious, isn't it? edit: I like how their explanation is "newbies are too stupid to know what any of this poo poo does anyway". Um. wow. Also, if you're encouraging new players to rent scopes and receivers as their tryout guns, does that mean you're going to make all the scopes and receivers available at lower levels, and move the other parts to higher levels? No, BPFA is still a Level 27 gun. Welp. Miss-Bomarc fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 06:38
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Not sure if this was mentioned already, but it bears repeating: Don't renew your rentals if you're coming back from a break from the game! The game will switch to the new 7-day prices, so you could lose thousands of GP that way.
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Apr 17, 2013 09:49
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Hey so I like running really fast even if that means not having a lot of health, having something like 80% of ideal health with the option to just disappear from an encounter is appealing to me. So far I like the AR built for damage and a scoped revolver for range. I also really like shotguns. Would it be viable to build a rifle for range and "main" a pump-action shotgun as a fast low-health GitS man or does that sort of thing not really work when you leave the proving grounds? I have also been thinking about cloaks, optical decoys and HRV decoys- it seems like the HRV ones are more useful. Are these all things that have a place in the later game or is it all tanky health and riot shields? A cool pal bought me the CQC pack so I have the neato armor that looks like a track suit. Reiley fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 12:14
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"Main shotgun" works great on tiny maps like Helodeck and Metro, but on any larger one you will regularly have to kill people at >20 metres away (unless you strictly stay indoors but then what's the point of running fast?), so you can't quite treat the longer-range rifle as an afterthought. For the decoys, regular cloak is better against newbies and HRV Cloak is WAY better against experienced players. With the decoys it's the opposite, the HRV Decoy is dumb and good players will never be fooled by it, but the holodecoy will often throw off even the best players for that critical half-second (and many newbies will be completely baffled when they meet it for the first few times). Tank builds, especially medium tanks (210-230HP) are definitely stronger in combat. The benefit of speed builds isn't so much in strafing and dodging as it is in reaching objectives quickly or running away from bad engagements. So you can easily be your team's MVP as a runner, but if you like to play lots of TDM / KC you'll probably want to eventually acquire a tank build for those modes. (The one silver lining in this horrible update is that most armour prices have dropped by nearly half.)
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Apr 17, 2013 12:38
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I just picked up the optical decoy, and it's hilarious.
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Apr 17, 2013 12:43
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At level 7, What would be a good mid ranged gun? I remember last time I played this, it was suggested to get The Regulator as it was decent, Is it still good? I remember having troubles with it before when i needed to focus aim and plink someone from far away as it had to be one shot before recoil hosed me. Should I just look towards making a really accurate SMG or something and have a scoped secondary?
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Dizz posted:At level 7, What would be a good mid ranged gun? I remember last time I played this, it was suggested to get The Regulator as it was decent, Is it still good? I remember having troubles with it before when i needed to focus aim and plink someone from far away as it had to be one shot before recoil hosed me. The Regulator is still a pretty good AR, and I feel that the AR in general have never been better than it is currently (except for the short period of 0 aimed-spread idiocy). You can use it for everything except BAR ranges, so I'd suggest sticking to it and then buy parts that's also useful on other recievers you may want later. Two quick examples: Build 1, if you want a SMG later on: Standard muzzle (until lvl 28 or 36) Level 10 barrel Level 7 stock Level 12 or 15 scope Build 2, if you eventually want a BAR: Standard muzzle Level 15 barrel Level 15 stock Level 12 scope When you get the BAR, you'll probably want a proper sniper scope, and the level 7 muzzle to bring the damage down to 180 to eliminate aimed spread. Lima fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 15:02
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Dizz posted:At level 7, What would be a good mid ranged gun? I remember last time I played this, it was suggested to get The Regulator as it was decent, Is it still good? I remember having troubles with it before when i needed to focus aim and plink someone from far away as it had to be one shot before recoil hosed me. Here is how I build and use my weapons as of today if it helps: TSMG - 38 damage - ADS - melee range SMG - 45 dmg low recoil - Hip - close range M4X - 45-50 dmg low recoil - Hip - mid AR - 55 dmg - Hip - mid AK47 - 57 dmg low spread - ADS - mid/long HAR - 68 dmg low spread - ADS - mid/long AMR -  - allAlso, here is a gallery with a few of my current builds. I need to add my latest abominations. Organized Older -> Newer http://imgur.com/a/OgmMe E: I decided to make a different album for cool guns. These are the effective ones. SwitchbladeKult fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 15:20
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So the forums are as bad as I imagined they'd be. They are up in arms. Lots of posts about it, people changing their signatures, petitions, and buckets of stupid phrases like "unethical business practices" are being tossed about like confetti. I’m having a wonderful time watching them circle jerk.
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Should I take the HRV Blackout over HE grenades? I've only got 2 equipment slots and it seems like Blackout would go well with Prox Mines and a CQC build for ambushes and such.
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Artificer posted:Should I take the HRV Blackout over HE grenades? I've only got 2 equipment slots and it seems like Blackout would go well with Prox Mines and a CQC build for ambushes and such. It all depends. Blackouts are great fun especially paired with the proximity mine. I, however, can't stand not having a grenade to throw. I know you said you only have two slots so you'll have to choose. Me, I have problems choosing. I run 224 mostly to avoid having under 4 slots. Right now I use in order HE, Frag, Prox, Blackout. I keep wanting to get the Tomahawk but I love what I'm running. If I do get it it'll replace my Frag. SwitchbladeKult fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 18:00
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SwitchbladeKult posted:It all depends. Blackouts are great fun especially paired with the proximity mine. I, however, can't stand not having a grenade to throw. I know you said you only have two slots so you'll have to choose. Me, I have problems choosing. I run 224 mostly to avoid having under 4 slots. Right now I use in order HE, Frag, Prox, Blackout. I keep wanting to get the Tomahawk but I love what I'm running. If I do get it it'll replace my Frag. So that's Colossus legs and...?
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Artificer posted:So that's Colossus legs and...? Fox+Cat helmet, Breakguard chest and Colossus legs I'm guessing.
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Lima posted:Fox+Cat helmet, Breakguard chest and Colossus legs I'm guessing. Nailed it.  When I want to move fast I'll swap in the Bonebreaker helmet and the R2 Skirmisher legs. 
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Apr 17, 2013 19:01
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This is a minor thing to complain about, but they've changed the Bunny achievement to 200 jumps instead of 40. I can understand if they thought it was too easy to get before, but I'm not at all dissuaded from doing it to get a Mission Chance Pack, so it just means that my teammates are inconvenienced for five times as long.
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Apr 17, 2013 19:01
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drat that's some high level gear. I'll go for HRV then. I'll get HE grenade later. It's a lot more expensive, anyways, and it seems like HRV Blackout will be fun to hide around the corner with.
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Artificer posted:drat that's some high level gear. I'll go for HRV then. I'll get HE grenade later. It's a lot more expensive, anyways, and it seems like HRV Blackout will be fun to hide around the corner with. Yeah, the armor is really the biggest thing that makes being low level suck. Anyone got a cool looking high stamina/speed 4 slot 180+ HP build they would recommend that might work for our friend here? I'm not at home right now to go through my items. SwitchbladeKult fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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Apr 17, 2013 19:10
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Skyscraper posted:This is a minor thing to complain about, but they've changed the Bunny achievement to 200 jumps instead of 40. I can understand if they thought it was too easy to get before, but I'm not at all dissuaded from doing it to get a Mission Chance Pack, so it just means that my teammates are inconvenienced for five times as long. They intended to make it once a day to make it less an inconvenience, but because it seems to reset every 3 hours i'm not sure if it is better or not. Still, should have just gotten rid of it.
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Apr 17, 2013 19:13
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They finally nailed me. 
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Apr 17, 2013 20:37
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It's funny, because back when that guy was a mod himself and we called him a furry, he would weep the tears of a sad oppressed manfox but he never actually tempabanned people for it.
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Apr 17, 2013 20:46
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I thought "furry" was a derogatory term? Do people refer to themselves as that in a good way?!
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Geschwafel posted:I thought "furry" was a derogatory term? Do people refer to themselves as that in a good way?! Yes. Yes they do.
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SwitchbladeKult posted:They finally nailed me. Any idea where the post was that they banned you for? Drama is always a good read.
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Apr 17, 2013 20:59
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Probably something about Tauxie. Since they all refuse to admit that he was a cheating gently caress.
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swatjr posted:Probably something about Tauxie. Since they all refuse to admit that he was a cheating gently caress. They even unbanned his account after they caught him not only cheating but helping distribute the cheats his girlfriend was creating!  Daman posted:Any idea where the post was that they banned you for? Drama is always a good read. This thread I'm almost positive. It's hard to say cause I bring up Tauxie a lot just to push buttons. They probably just gottired of my poo poo finally. e: Nope. I remember now. I replied to a thread saying they need to make me a mod so I can clean up all their poo poo posts. They can't do worse than a 16 year old cheating furry! The thread has been deleted. SwitchbladeKult fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Apr 17, 2013 |
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trailturtle, who seems to be some kind of PWE community manager or something, said that he misread the new prices and should not have claimed prices were going down. So it looks there aren't any plans to bring prices down at all, and this 7-day switch really is just a cash grab. Too bad.
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WAMPA_STOMPA posted:trailturtle, who seems to be some kind of PWE community manager or something, said that he misread the new prices and should not have claimed prices were going down. So it looks there aren't any plans to bring prices down at all, and this 7-day switch really is just a cash grab. Too bad. Welp. That sucks rear end. A whole lot of rear end.
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To be fair the cost of armor was reduced by something like 40%, but yeah, most everything else got increased by ~10%.
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It's nice that I can run the game now on low graphics, but there actually is a downside. While it may be easier to see cloaked people, HRV has less definition on the geometry so unless I know where every object is in a room I will run into poo poo I cannot see in HRV. Ironic.
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Dark_Swordmaster posted:It's nice that I can run the game now on low graphics, but there actually is a downside. While it may be easier to see cloaked people, HRV has less definition on the geometry so unless I know where every object is in a room I will run into poo poo I cannot see in HRV. Ironic. I thought that's how it was supposed to work. Can you actually see geometry with higher graphics settings?
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Hey sometimes people make voice commands with in-game speech, like not the mic but their agent saying things. Is that automatic or is there ways to give voice comms to teammates?
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Reiley posted:Hey sometimes people make voice commands with in-game speech, like not the mic but their agent saying things. Is that automatic or is there ways to give voice comms to teammates? God, I wish. "HEAL ME, YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER."
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Artificer posted:God, I wish. Wow if we're going to be rude maybe it's for the best our GitS-persons are silent!!
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Reiley posted:Wow if we're going to be rude maybe it's for the best our GitS-persons are silent!! Pffffffft. You haven't figured that out from Global chat yet?
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