Super Deuce posted:Being obtuse is thinking that cheering for a criminal being apprehended or killed is a good thing. People are cheering for the police for a job well done. Not at the suspects death. I am legitimately proud of my adopted city over the way it was handled and the lack of any other damage. So yeah, I am cheering that a suspect was apprehended. loving tragedy there for you I guess.
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mcsquared posted:To restate my question to avoid the definition tangent, is there any evidence that these were politically motivated? I guess that is what I am wondering, because that is what the word "terrorism" means to me, whether people are using it that way or not. No, not yet, maybe wait a little bit as he's only been arrested like an hour ago?
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ethanol posted:Look dude, they knew what the bombs meant to Americans. They weren't psychos who just wanted to see what the reaction would be. It was indeed politically inspired, and we don't need to understand or validate the message to call it terrorism. This is all I'm wondering - how do we know this? It seems like a pretty important thing to know if we're to accurately assess what the hell went on to cause this.
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And who the gently caress doesn't cheer that this dude is apprehended? Go gently caress yourself please
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cletepurcel posted:Poor guy must have just been still running on pure adrenaline, kicked down so many doors that day it was basically automatic That clip isn't from Boston, it's an old video.
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Daikatana Ritsu posted:Yeah cmon Boston, have the quiet grace and beauty of the undoubtedly fat masses of the internet I lit a cigarillo and nodded my head knowingly
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mcsquared posted:To restate my question to avoid the definition tangent, is there any evidence that these were politically motivated? I guess that is what I am wondering, because that is what the word "terrorism" means to me, whether people are using it that way or not. Then you need to come to terms with your definition of the word instead of trying to prove every one else in the thread wrong.
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anotherone posted:His defense is definitely going to be something about how his brother forced him to do it. Might be something to it, honestly; but he'll still get 400 life sentences. Even if his brother DID coerce him, the fact he didn't immediately surrender after possibly running his partially-deceased brother over shoots all kinds of holes in that reasoning. Desperation and fear might account for a little but not that much.
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mcsquared posted:This is all I'm wondering - how do we know this? It seems like a pretty important thing to know if we're to accurately assess what the hell went on to cause this. Listen to any one interview with people who know the subjects.
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T. Finninho posted:And who the gently caress doesn't cheer that this dude is apprehended? Go gently caress yourself please
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T. Finninho posted:No, not yet, maybe wait a little bit as he's only been arrested like an hour ago? Why are y'all being so hostile to asking "do we know if there was a political motive to this?" I swear to christ I am just wondering if there are a bunch of forums accounts or some poo poo out there.
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T. Finninho posted:And who the gently caress doesn't cheer that this dude is apprehended? Go gently caress yourself please Same guys who cheered when they thought Flash Gordon died, the fucks.
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All I'm saying is that there are distinctions between the terms terrorism, mass murder, war, war crime and state terrorism based on the motives and nature of the people involved.
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anotherone posted:His defense is definitely going to be something about how his brother forced him to do it. Might be something to it, honestly; but he'll still get 400 life sentences. It won't matter. Even if it was 100% his brothers plan and he held a gun to his head the entire time (these are highly unlikely to be the case), he is still legally culpable because you cannot legally kill others to save your own life.
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mcsquared posted:To restate my question to avoid the definition tangent, is there any evidence that these were politically motivated? I guess that is what I am wondering, because that is what the word "terrorism" means to me, whether people are using it that way or not. We won't know for sure until we get an investigation and they check computers/emails/browser history/etc
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Breaky posted:People are cheering for the police for a job well done. Not at the suspects death. I am legitimately proud of my adopted city over the way it was handled and the lack of any other damage. It's about the worst thing you can do to be happy that the police did a job well done. Seriously, stop that. Think of how the criminal feels!! 
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WastedJoker posted:Even if his brother DID coerce him, the fact he didn't immediately surrender after possibly running his partially-deceased brother over shoots all kinds of holes in that reasoning. Also, pretty sure that even if his brother threatened to kill him, you can't use coercion as a justification for killing other people. But yeah, we should probably wait to figure out what his defense will be until he actually gets out of the hospital.
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ClemenSalad posted:It won't matter. Even if it was 100% his brothers plan and he held a gun to his head the entire time (these are highly unlikely to be the case), he is still legally culpable because you cannot legally kill others to save your own life. Yeah as someone already mentioned Nichols's defense was that McVeigh threatened to kill his family if he didn't aid McVeigh.
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Crackpipe posted:I'm not trying to crap on your hard work, but this exists. Uhh I'm sorry but I don't see any Dunkin' Donuts in there.
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I stopped following the thread around 3EST, did Petey ever go to sleep?
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Qwo posted:Be civil, please. Haha I apologize, I'm quite happy this suspect was apprehended and I have no hesitation in being quite pleased about it
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Any new information on the other three that they arrested?
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Wait...you can't kill others to save your life but you can kill to save property? 
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T. Finninho posted:Haha I apologize, I'm quite happy this suspect was apprehended and I have no hesitation in being quite pleased about it T. Finn won't you please think of the man that killed an eight year old child and maimed dozens of others??
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mcsquared posted:Why are y'all being so hostile to asking "do we know if there was a political motive to this?" I swear to christ I am just wondering if there are a bunch of forums accounts or some poo poo out there. I'm being hostile because this poo poo literally just went down. You are demanding something that couldn't possibly be fully invesigated yet
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KoRMaK posted:This is way more relevant. I don't think we have any information yet besides the older brothers playlist. If I can do math right, the older brother was like 14 when he got to the states, so maybe coming at that age made him hate america more than his younger brother? Thanks for the reply. It seems like it's almost going to be easier for the community to process if this is an explicitly political act for whatever agenda.
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Inspector_71 posted:Actually it's very true in terms of getting terrorists in custody to cooperate. Read The Black Banners. I am in awe of this book and have tried to use it as an example to family and friends on how treating these people with respect gets you further than with torture.
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Sockser posted:I stopped following the thread around 3EST, did Petey ever go to sleep? They gave Petey the boat, he's on his way to Bermuda now.
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Sockser posted:I stopped following the thread around 3EST, did Petey ever go to sleep? Yessir. 
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Knightmare posted:Uhh I'm sorry but I don't see any Dunkin' Donuts in there. Dunkin' Donuts is assumed to be everywhere in Boston Metro.
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Bro Enlai posted:Is something like this what you're looking for? This is great. Just needs a few perimeter lobsters and maybe sergeants Feedback and Fury.
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WastedJoker posted:Wait...you can't kill others to save your life but you can kill to save property?
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mcsquared posted:Why are y'all being so hostile to asking "do we know if there was a political motive to this?" I swear to christ I am just wondering if there are a bunch of forums accounts or some poo poo out there. I don't know that he's being that harsh. There's just no way of knowing stuff like that yet! It'll come out soon enough I'm sure.
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mcsquared posted:Thanks for the reply. It seems like it's almost going to be easier for the community to process if this is an explicitly political act for whatever agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhBAa0QwlYw listen to the whole thing
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WastedJoker posted:Wait...you can't kill others to save your life but you can kill to save property? There's a difference between someone threatening you to make you kill someone and you defending your own property against invasions, but this is really not the thread for that.
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gently caress This Puzzle posted:T. Finn won't you please think of the man that killed an eight year old child and maimed dozens of others?? Those bully policeman hurt that poor kid. He just wanted to blow people up. This is a free country damnit.
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Qwo posted:Be civil, please. Could you rephrase your request in the form of a dead child and multiple explosive devices?
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WastedJoker posted:Even if his brother DID coerce him, the fact he didn't immediately surrender after possibly running his partially-deceased brother over shoots all kinds of holes in that reasoning. The dudebro was not only smiling when he dropped a backpack full of gunpowder behind an 8-year old boy, but winked at one of his future victims when he did it. That's not the reaction of someone who has been coerced into his actions.
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mcsquared posted:Thanks for the reply. It seems like it's almost going to be easier for the community to process if this is an explicitly political act for whatever agenda. Yeah the community should see a more nuanced view of the 2 chechen dudes who blew up an 8 year old boy with home made bombs.
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