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Rotten Cookies posted:How many sports are interspersed with players engaging in fisticuffs? Every baseball fight is a bench-clearing brawl.
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Rotten Cookies posted:How many sports are interspersed with players engaging in fisticuffs? The NHL should change the rules and award a power play to the team of the player who wins a fight. That, combined with the instigator penalty, would be great, and the arms race to sign guys like John Scott would be hilarious. Also, you can't win on a takedown  e: I say "combined with the instigator penalty" because it would at least make the instigator penalty serve an important purpose Levitate fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 9, 2013 |
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I'm reasonably certain there aren't any other sports that measure severity of penalty based on the presence of blood.
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Levitate posted:The NHL should change the rules and award a power play to the team of the player who wins a fight. That, combined with the instigator penalty, would be great, and the arms race to sign guys like John Scott would be hilarious. Would they call it the "Blades of Steel" rule?
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May goons live forever!
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Well, I think I've got a sort of related question. I've seen some people talk about players having a "hot brain" after a concussion. What is that? I'm no medical expert, but it sounds like something to do with making things worse if they come back too soon after being concussed. That seems like the sort of thing a brain might do. Is that about right?
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McDragon posted:Well, I think I've got a sort of related question. I've seen some people talk about players having a "hot brain" after a concussion. What is that? I'm no medical expert, but it sounds like something to do with making things worse if they come back too soon after being concussed. That seems like the sort of thing a brain might do. Is that about right? http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2013-04-06/randy-carlyle-concussions-helmets-maple-leafs-leafs-joffrey-lupul-update quote:“I have a theory on concussions,” (Carlyle) said. “I think the reason there’s so much more of them obviously the impact and the size of the equipment and the size of the player — but there’s another factor: everyone wears helmets, and under your skull when you have a helmet on, there’s a heat issue. Basically, Randy Carlyle is a goddamn idiot
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McDragon posted:Well, I think I've got a sort of related question. I've seen some people talk about players having a "hot brain" after a concussion. What is that? I'm no medical expert, but it sounds like there's a risk of making things worse if they come back too soon after being concussed. Is that about right? It's making fun of Randy Carlyle, who a few weeks ago said that he thinks helmets might be responsible for the rise in concussions because they trap heat in the head. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1595206-randy-carlyle-provides-bizarre-analysis-on-cause-of-concussions
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Welp, I feel stupid now. Thought it might be a silly way of referring to an actual thing. Oh well, at least I don't feel as stupid as he probably should. Thanks for the explanation and links, you two.
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May 9, 2013 21:54
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ThinkTank posted:Beard length (or lack thereof) should exactly match your team's success. I didn't want to say it before, but this explains a whole lot about Montreal's recent playoff success.
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McDragon posted:Welp, I feel stupid now. Thought it might be a silly way of referring to an actual thing. Oh well, at least I don't feel as stupid as he probably should. You shouldn't feel stupid. It's Dr. Randy Carlyle that should feel stupid... very, very stupid.
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Tagra posted:I'm reasonably certain there aren't any other sports that measure severity of penalty based on the presence of blood. i'm surprised that there aren't players who blade themselves WWE style to try and get 4 minutes
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a false posted:i'm surprised that there aren't players who blade themselves WWE style to try and get 4 minutes I wouldn't be surprised if some players bite the insides of their mouths, hoping to draw blood, after getting high sticked to try to show they were "injured" and get the extra 2 minutes
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Levitate posted:I wouldn't be surprised if some players bite the insides of their mouths, hoping to draw blood, after getting high sticked to try to show they were "injured" and get the extra 2 minutes Rigged mouthgards with little pockets of water food colored to look like blood. Bite down on it, instant 4 minute PP. 
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The blackhawks took a delay of game minor for having 2 guys thrown out of the draw last night. First, Andrew shaw was thrown out, then viktor stalberg came into the circle too early. This thread is prophetic.
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Lawnie posted:The blackhawks took a delay of game minor for having 2 guys thrown out of the draw last night. First, Andrew shaw was thrown out, then viktor stalberg came into the circle too early. This thread is prophetic.  I need to make big updates to the OP. Sigh.
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I updated the OP with the realignment, updated the stats part, made a few other minor tweaks. Does anyone want to do a write up of what are dismissively called "fancystats"? I know there is a ton of stuff written and this thread can't (shouldn't) try to go into detail about all of it. But maybe corsi/fenwick/qualcomp and like...zone starts? Even just a basic description. Then we can link to a more in-depth resource. It will have to go in the second post though because my long-winded rear end has nearly hit the 50k character limit in the OP 
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I will throw together something very rudimentary tomorrow, if you'd like.
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Hand Knit posted:I will throw together something very rudimentary tomorrow, if you'd like. Sure, that'd be great!
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Hand Knit posted:I will throw together something very rudimentary tomorrow, if you'd like. I wouldn't mind contributing some, either. Love me some fancystats.
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Lawnie posted:I wouldn't mind contributing some, either. Love me some fancystats. If you have PMs, I'll write a small bit then send it to you, and you can do what you want with it.
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Isn't it all pretty simple? Corsi is just shot attempts while on ice minus shot attempts against. So Corsi takes into account blocked and missed shots. Fenwick is Corsi, but it doesn't take into account shot blocks. Qualcomp is essentially how much a players opponents play. The theory being that a better player will have more time, so the players that go against the players that play the most minutes will have a good Qualcomp. You can also look at QoT which is quality of teammates. I've never been a huge fan of ozone stats. I'm not sure how strongly it's correlated with winning. It's essentially how much you start your shifts in the ozone or Dzone. It only takes into account faceoff starts though,and not other starts when play is still ongoing. You also have to look at zone starts relative to a players team, and not league wide. An example is Kadri. Has 50% ozone starts, which looks good, but then you realize that Toronto barely ever has possession and starts a lot more in the Dzone. Kadri actually is fourth highest for ozone starts for the Leafs, where someone on a strong Puck possession team with a 50% would not be as sheltered.
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A Typical Goon posted:I've never been a huge fan of ozone stats. I'm not sure how strongly it's correlated with winning. It's essentially how much you start your shifts in the ozone or Dzone. It only takes into account faceoff starts though,and not other starts when play is still ongoing. Comparing zone starts across a team may show the intent of the coach, but that would not change the relative effect of them. So, while Kadri (47.8%) may get relatively sheltered minutes compared to the rest of the team, and Gregory Campbell (47.7%) may get relatively difficult minutes compared to the rest of the team, zone-wise their minutes are of equivalent difficulty. That the Leafs are a garbage possession team does not somehow make Kadri's team 'easier.' In fact, if anything, it would make them harder since he would face a greater number of his zone starts against the other team's top defensive players if the other team's coach uses zone matching rather than line matching.
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So is there a limit to the amount of teams you can root for based on familial/relationship ties?
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ZenVulgarity posted:So is there a limit to the amount of teams you can root for based on familial/relationship ties? Yes. Two. If you root for more than that you have to register your affiliation at http://www.nhl.com/member.htm?season=2013&fanType=2
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Eastern Conference and Western Conference and that's it. Any more and you're Pungry.
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I've got two in the west and one in the east, and I don't think that's too much. Rooting for two teams in one division can be seen as a little odd, but with the bigger divisions next year I bet it'll become more common.
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DOOMocrat posted:I've got two in the west and one in the east, and I don't think that's too much. Pungry parachute account spotted. 
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I have a favorite East team (Boston) and a West team (Minnesota). There are teams I will half-heartedly cheer for just because I like a few players on the team, but I wouldn't call myself a fan of them.
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canuckanese posted:a favorite East team (Boston) and a West team (Minnesota) A man after my own heart 
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canuckanese posted:I have a favorite East team (Boston) and a West team (Minnesota). There are teams I will half-heartedly cheer for just because I like a few players on the team, but I wouldn't call myself a fan of them. This is exactly the correct way to do it.
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DOOMocrat posted:I've got two in the west and one in the east, and I don't think that's too much. I don't really cheer for any team that's not the Rangers. Even West teams are just potential roadblocks to the Stanley Cup
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Isles, Rangers, Columbus since they became Rangers West, and I like seeing the Canadiens do well since I like HAS and they have some awesome guys on their team. I don't know if I'd count myself as a real fan of Columbus or Montreal, but I watch as many of their games as I can, and unless they are up against NY, I root for them.
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You can root for more than two teams, but they have to be lovely and not have a tradition of past success. No one's going to give you any static for being a Panthers fan. Other than...y'know...rooting for a team from Florida. /Avs fan 
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If you have more than one favorite team you are a slut
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I have Local (Tampa), Family (Rangers), and significant other's family (Leafs and Habs). Local takes priority, then what?
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ZenVulgarity posted:I have Local (Tampa), Family (Rangers), and significant other's family (Leafs and Habs). Whoever you need to keep happy the most. Depending on the relationship, that could be either or.
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ZenVulgarity posted:I have Local (Tampa), Family (Rangers), and significant other's family (Leafs and Habs). Uh...your SO's familly goes for Leafs and Habs?  You should just piss everyone in both families off and root for the Bruins.
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