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If I make my resume public on Dice.com where should I mention that I am only looking for positions in X area? It gets extremely annoying when local recruiters call me daily (while at work). Maybe I should just remove my phone number from the public resume.
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mustermark posted:Speaking of recruiters, I just got this
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May 16, 2013 18:43
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mustermark posted:Speaking of recruiters, I just got this That's a little on the extreme side, but I think it's pretty common for third party recruiters to intentionally make it difficult to identify the company in question: they don't want you to apply for the job directly with the company and cut them out of the deal.
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May 16, 2013 19:12
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Sab669 posted:Got any openings for a junior dev? Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 19:40 on May 16, 2013 |
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May 16, 2013 19:15
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rufius posted:headhunters versus recruiters. How are you defining the difference between the two? External vs works for the company?
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May 16, 2013 19:24
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pr0zac posted:How are you defining the difference between the two? External vs works for the company? rufius posted:They are paid per head Headhunters get a flat $ per person, so their incentive is to throw warm bodies at the wall as fast as possible without regard for much else.
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May 16, 2013 21:28
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I always thought that headhunters recruited for higher level (c-suite) positions. I guess that term has been more widely applied now.
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May 16, 2013 21:38
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Xguard86 posted:Headhunters get a flat $ per person, so their incentive is to throw warm bodies at the wall as fast as possible without regard for much else. Not really, most headhunters actually get paid a percentage of the candidate's annual salary by the employer. As a hiring manager, I've seen it being between 20-40%. I've used a headhunter in the past and they were very effective in cutting through HR/application bullshit and picking up interesting positions. The coolest thing was seeing an employer offer me a 25% pay increase over my previous job, and the headhunter telling me to ask for 50% more - which worked. It's in the interest of half-competent headhunters to build a life-long relationship with good candidates from the perspective of a) they have a better portfolio of candidates to display to employers, and b) they will make more money long-term by placing candidates through their career.
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May 16, 2013 21:40
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shrike82 posted:As a hiring manager, I've seen it being between 20-40%.  That's kind of crazy. That means a headhunter only needs to successfully place like 5 people a year to have a comfortable salary. Although I'm guessing it's a lot harder than it sounds. Devs are fickle.
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May 16, 2013 22:01
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I started doing a degree in Human Resources. Most people I know doing head hunting ("executive search" / "professional search") make anywhere from 10-25% of the salary of person they place. It's often times pretty difficult a task, and usually comes with a retention clause (employee must stay for 1 year to get the full amount, etc). It's also a super tough job to get people to move from one company to another - especially since the companies who usually use these services are looking for top talent from similar companies where compensation is often on par.
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I just got accepted to a Master's in CS program that starts in the fall. I have a limited background in CS - I took 2 programming classes, and several other computer related classes, in undergrad, and have used codecademy.com a bit. I have a job now working on an iPad app, but I'm not doing programming. We are mostly using Adobe InDesign to prepare .pdf files for the app. But this job is a finite project, and it's ending soon. I want (need?) to work while I'm in school. Can anyone tell me about internships? How soon can I start applying for them - is it even worth it before I start grad school? I figure I may as well try, right? What is the pay generally like for internships? How long do they tend to last?
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About Internships application If your school is fairly large and active, bigger software companies like Microsoft may already be recruiting at your career fairs. If they're not, you can always apply through company's websites (also known as, a blackhole). Knowing someone is usually easier than going through the company's website. Is it even worth it before I start grad school? Maybe, depends on how much programming experience you have. One issue I've seen in the past with Master's students in your situation is that we often expect them to have better skills than the undergrads we're interviewing. This isn't fair, but it happens. If you aren't confident in your programming abilities (data structures, solid skills in one/two programming languages, grasp of the domain you're applying for), then I would say hold off on applying for an internship unless you simply want the interviewing experience. pay Unlike the rest of the corporate world, internships at major software companies are usually quite lucrative. At startups, not quite as good but still getting experience. Generally speaking, the bigger companies pay about 2/3 the monthly salary of an entry level engineer per month. At Microsoft, that'd probably equate to around $5500 a month. duration Usually about 3-3.5 months. Most people start right after the school year ends and finish right before the school year starts. There are co-ops which can be longer term and sometimes part-time and those may last as long as a year.
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At what point should I cut my losses and start looking for a new job? I just started at a junior developer position about two months ago. I've since realized that there's nothing long term for me here. The code itself is a mess because of a few  design choices early on that have been perpetuated throughout the system. The work flow so far seems to be "fix problems as clients notice them. Since we're always on a timeline set by sales and others, worry about fixing niche cases later if somebody notices." Most of the other developers are married with kids and have been here for 5+ years, so I don't see any of them pushing for big changes with regards to coding practices (things like having project managers who follow a process, code reviews prior to checking it into version control, and having well defined specs before we start coding instead of knowing kinda what the client wants and hoping for the best).I had another job for the two years before this that involved small amounts of programming, so I think that should make the 2 months at this job look not as bad, but I'm wondering what employers looking at my resume will think.
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May 17, 2013 16:52
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Doghouse posted:I just got accepted to a Master's in CS program that starts in the fall. I have a limited background in CS - I took 2 programming classes, and several other computer related classes, in undergrad, and have used codecademy.com a bit. I have a job now working on an iPad app, but I'm not doing programming. We are mostly using Adobe InDesign to prepare .pdf files for the app. But this job is a finite project, and it's ending soon. You don't have the on-paper or actual experience necessary to get an internship with a large company like Microsoft, etc. You might be able to swing something with a small local firm. If you really need to work during school your best bet is finding contract work. You'd be better off working on some sort of project, learning new skills and getting practical experience. Are there not any prerequisites you need to go through before starting this masters program? I don't know much about CS masters programs, but I assume they don't have you do upper division undergrad courses over again. Your chances for an internship will be much greater applying in the spring of your first year in grad school.
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May 17, 2013 17:15
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thepedestrian posted:Your chances for an internship will be much greater applying in the spring of your first year in grad school. While I agree with this, I would say to look pretty much when the school year starts. Sometimes there are job fairs in the fall where companies are recruiting for internships the following summer.
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Cosmic Horror posted:At what point should I cut my losses and start looking for a new job? You'd be surprised at the number of places that run just like that. 2 months is a rather short time to get accustomed to entire systems and how they work. Problems that come from early design choices are the norm -- they're a sign of someone not planning things correctly or (and it is equally likely) changes to the system and its requirements over time. The latter form is somewhat inevitable and the more time you'll spend programming, the more often you'll see it. I'd tell you to stick it for a while longer, at least a couple of months. In the worst case, you'll learn via counter-examples, which can be very valuable. Ask the older programmers about why things are the way they are in a particular area of the system when you've got to work on it, and you'll possibly have a very understandable reason to remember for the future (or "we were tight on the budget"). Your coworkers likely know that the code is bad, fixing it is possibly just harder than you expect it for plenty of reasons. If you want to do code reviews, ask for someone to review the code, and review other people's code on the side ("hey I was looking at the latest commit and wondered why you did X and Y?"). It doesn't need to be reviewed before being checked in (especially with branches and whatnot), but reviews are generally good to have. In any case, if you think people should review code, ask for reviews. If you think the code needs tests, add them when you modify it -- then later you can ask people to run the suite and add tests if they play in the stuff you wrote. Slowly create the habit, rather than asking for it in a meeting.
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Yeah, even at big places you can have poor design decisions. I'm just finishing up a major refactoring of one our app's systems that's been a pain point for at least a couple years. I guess that's not a huge amount of time but our app has only been around for a few years. And the thing is, at the time the design choice probably looked pretty reasonable, especially considering deadlines. It's only as our requirements grew with the number of features and content that things became unmanageable.
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So I'm in a weird situation Re: internships. I'm a freshman, so I don't have much experience off the bat, but I managed to get an interview with a big defense contractor in February, and they decided to bring me along for the summer which is pretty cool given that I probably at the very bottom of the intern pile at pretty much everywhere. The position was in Colorado Springs, and they offered a housing stipend, got me a secret clearance, and have been pretty good at keeping me in the loop until a few weeks ago when they just flat out cut me from the Colorado Springs position because of sequestration. They said that a position was still open in Phoenix (I live in Pittsburgh for reference), and that they would be glad to have me over there, which I of course said yes to while trying to not sound totally desperate. The problem is I that still have basically zero information regarding it. Evey time I've asked them hey what's up, they said to look for an updated offer either the next day or the day after, and then when that doesn't happen they just say the same thing again. The HR person that I have been in contact with has been super nice and I don't really doubt her sincerity or anything, but the situation is still pretty worrying given that I'm out of school, summer has started, and the position is all the way in Phoenix and I haven't heard anything. Anyway, I got an email from a recruiter at another big defense contractor that I applied to way long ago, saying that they wanted to set up a phone interview for a position in the Baltimore area. I'm really tempted to bite on this but I'm not sure how to bring up the fact that I'm in flux with this other company -- I'd really like to do some kind of software this summer but given how shaky company #1 has been I would be a little concerned if I just sat waiting on them. Any suggestions moving forward?
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GenJoe posted:So I'm in a weird situation Re: internships. I'm a freshman, so I don't have much experience off the bat, but I managed to get an interview with a big defense contractor in February, and they decided to bring me along for the summer which is pretty cool given that I probably at the very bottom of the intern pile at pretty much everywhere. The position was in Colorado Springs, and they offered a housing stipend, got me a secret clearance, and have been pretty good at keeping me in the loop until a few weeks ago when they just flat out cut me from the Colorado Springs position because of sequestration. They said that a position was still open in Phoenix (I live in Pittsburgh for reference), and that they would be glad to have me over there, which I of course said yes to while trying to not sound totally desperate. The problem is I that still have basically zero information regarding it. Evey time I've asked them hey what's up, they said to look for an updated offer either the next day or the day after, and then when that doesn't happen they just say the same thing again. The HR person that I have been in contact with has been super nice and I don't really doubt her sincerity or anything, but the situation is still pretty worrying given that I'm out of school, summer has started, and the position is all the way in Phoenix and I haven't heard anything. If that clearance is still valid you are worth a lot of money so no harm in shopping around.
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May 18, 2013 00:59
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Go forward with #2 as if #1 doesn't exist. Keep bugging #1 once or twice a week. Once you get an offer for #2, tell #1 that you have another offer and if they don't get their butt in gear you'll have to take it. You are under no obligation to either place and it is 100% ok to shop around until you sign the offer letter.
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May 18, 2013 01:18
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Cicero posted:Yeah, even at big places you can have poor design decisions. I'm just finishing up a major refactoring of one our app's systems that's been a pain point for at least a couple years. I guess that's not a huge amount of time but our app has only been around for a few years. And the thing is, at the time the design choice probably looked pretty reasonable, especially considering deadlines. It's only as our requirements grew with the number of features and content that things became unmanageable. I've personally witnessed a project at one of the big well-known software giant with over 200 engineers on it that was both so poorly designed and managed that 4 years in it basically disintegrated. Almost everybody, anywhere from Director to lowly peon levels, either got kindly asked to gently caress off or decided to gracefully leave as the thing was becoming impossible to work on and was going absolutely nowhere. It's amazing how large project with people who you'd think would know better still mange to implode in the most catastrophic ways.
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DreadCthulhu posted:I've personally witnessed a project at one of the big well-known software giant with over 200 engineers on it that was both so poorly designed and managed that 4 years in it basically disintegrated. Almost everybody, anywhere from Director to lowly peon levels, either got kindly asked to gently caress off or decided to gracefully leave as the thing was becoming impossible to work on and was going absolutely nowhere. It's amazing how large project with people who you'd think would know better still mange to implode in the most catastrophic ways. This wasn't Windows Longhorn was it?
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Ochowie posted:This wasn't Windows Longhorn was it? The sad thing is that it was orders of magnitude less ambitious than Longhorn and still managed to suck terribly. I don't know too much about Longhorn, but from all the postmortems I attended, it seemed like there was just too much radically different stuff being tried all at once, like WinFS. I can't blame them, it was an insanely large undertaking.
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I was wondering if any of you could give advice on what to ask for, for a raise. Since September, I have been working part time for a very, very good friend of my family's. He was paying me 4.7k month. He wants to give me a raise, since I will be working full time, but wants me to start the negotiation. I really have no idea what to ask for. I would like to make more $, but I don't need more, and I don't know what would be appropriate to ask for. It a small saas company (him, me, 3 other employees) in the bay area. I already feel like he has been paying me way to much for the little I do (it was like 16 hours a week at most...). My work has been pretty much adding functionality requested by our clients, fixing bugs, etc... I also don't know the financial state of the company, so I would feel kind of awkward asking for a raise that was too much. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Do you have enough time to apply for jobs elsewhere and see how much you get offered?
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PastaSky posted:I was wondering if any of you could give advice on what to ask for, for a raise. Since September, I have been working part time for a very, very good friend of my family's. He was paying me If he was paying you $55k-ish for ~20 hours of work a week then he probably doesn't have an issue paying a decent amount. I'd talk about ~$90k, that seems to be a fair market value for the bay area and if you're going to 40 hours a week he's getting what he's paying for.
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May 19, 2013 03:34
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DreadCthulhu posted:The sad thing is that it was orders of magnitude less ambitious than Longhorn and still managed to suck terribly. I don't know too much about Longhorn, but from all the postmortems I attended, it seemed like there was just too much radically different stuff being tried all at once, like WinFS. I can't blame them, it was an insanely large undertaking.
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Gazpacho posted:It was second-system effect, an attempt to jam all sorts of things into one release after holding them back for years until NT migration was completed. Man, I really like that description, I can definitely identify a lot of my work with that. I really need to power through the Mythical Man Month one of these days, seems like it's got a lot of gems in it.
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NovemberMike posted:If he was paying you $55k-ish for ~20 hours of work a week then he probably doesn't have an issue paying a decent amount. That didn't occur to me, but it makes a lot of sense. I'll shoot for around 90k. Safe and Secure! posted:Do you have enough time to apply for jobs elsewhere and see how much you get offered? I suppose. My next check won't be until next month. I'm not particularly interested in working anywhere else right now (I really, really like current job), but I think it would be a good exercise even so. Thanks for the help guys!
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May 19, 2013 11:31
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PastaSky what's your email? You don't have PMs and I have some info that may be useful to you.
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So my current part time job puts me, the newblet, in a position to call a Sr Dev 400 miles away and a web guy about 20 miles away - both with their own full time jobs - to get them together after hours to start working on a website I still don't have access to. To make things particularly fun, I was basically bedridden the last goddamn week and didn't even get up out of bed to do more than drink soup or stand in a hot shower and clear my sinuses, so then the super awesome, zero-micromanagement boss asks ME for a status report. "I was sick all week, everyone thought I sounded worse than the last person who spoke to me, and I can't get both people together at the same time, and I still can't get into the web server." To make things particularly hilarious, I've been seeking full time work myself for the past two weeks, and I can't help but feel that the second I get everyone together, I'll have an offer. Unless it takes a ridiculous amount of time to get hired, I'm probably going to serve up a "Hey I got the boys together. Also I got a job offer, so can I work remote like they do? If not here's my notice." Is there ANY way to do this without being a dick? I'm not doing anything wrong by looking for a 40 hour week and benefits, but the situation feels douchey. Then I remember that I'm working 15-20 hour weeks with no benefits where EVERY OTHER PERSON BUT THE BOSS IS REMOTE, doing this on the side. Is it normal to end up in an Interesting Position when you're finding that first Good Job? Or did I just stumble into a Fun Learning Experience? Bleh. I've also got a goodie about dueling staffing agencies putting me in for the same job without telling me I should type up later.
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Had my phone interview for the position in Cali this afternoon, which was my first technical interview. He asked how dictionaries worked and I explained, then he asked how they worked at a low-level, I worked through the concept and came up with something that was close to the truth, despite initially claiming that I didn't know, which he seemed semi-impressed with. Thanks to this thread for teaching me things I probably should have known beforehand 'cause, overall, the interview went really, really well. Also, I got really nervous before the interview, so I made myself some text to read to get me through it: 
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Cicero posted:PastaSky what's your email? You don't have PMs and I have some info that may be useful to you. pastacaelum gmail
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I've got a similar question to Cosmic Horror's regarding leaving a job (although unlike him, I have no previous work experience). I graduated and landed my first "real job" at the end of last summer doing QA automation. The place is alright, but the work itself isn't really up my alley. I'm not so sure about the possibility of any lateral moves or advancement within the company in the near future. I'm thinking of looking for work elsewhere, although I don't want to leave too early and have my resume look like poo poo. Is there any consensus on what a decent/acceptable amount of time is to sink into one's first software gig? (PS, lurking in this thread definitely helped out with me landing the job in the first place. Thanks for for all the tips!  )
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Crumbles posted:I've got a similar question to Cosmic Horror's regarding leaving a job (although unlike him, I have no previous work experience). I graduated and landed my first "real job" at the end of last summer doing QA automation. The place is alright, but the work itself isn't really up my alley. I'm not so sure about the possibility of any lateral moves or advancement within the company in the near future. I'm thinking of looking for work elsewhere, although I don't want to leave too early and have my resume look like poo poo. Is there any consensus on what a decent/acceptable amount of time is to sink into one's first software gig? I can only speak from the recruiting perspective of a very small startup, and we would only really look at what you're capable of, not how long you've been at a company. Sure, if I see 5 jobs in 1 year, I'm somewhat concerned, but other than that I don't really care. Thus if you don't have much to talk about to your next employer, and you've had a pretty hard time landing your current gig, I'd be cautious about dropping out at least until I demonstrate some aptitude and ability to get stuff done that a prospective employed might be interested in. However, I don't know what the attitude at a large corporation would be for your situation. Maybe someone else could chime in.
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If they don't really give you the ability to progress your career to your liking, I say leave (tactfully, of course) whenever you like. At-will employment is just that.
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Just got "stood up" for a phone interview with a company for the second day in a row, now. Found word of the job through a staffing agency. Is there a tactful way I can tell the recruiter, "I understand people are busy and can't always make agreed upon dates, but gently caress this company, what else do you have for me?" The only draw to this job was the salary, as they primarily work with Sharepoint which...well I think speaks for itself.
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Sab669 posted:Just got "stood up" for a phone interview with a company for the second day in a row, now. Found word of the job through a staffing agency. Is there a tactful way I can tell the recruiter, "I understand people are busy and can't always make agreed upon dates, but gently caress this company, what else do you have for me?" Were you stood up as in you called in and nobody was there? Or were you postponed? If it's the former then yeah it's probably time to either issue an ultimatum or just cut bait. If it's the latter, I'd be more patient. As for how to say "no thanks", you can kind of say what you just said at the end there but a bit more covertly. Like, "after looking over the job description again and thinking about my career options, I have a feeling they wouldn't be a good fit", which you can then follow up with "we'll give them one more chance" or "let's pursue other opportunities".
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I was told that their head of software dev would call me X time yesterday, Y time today. Phone never rang, no voicemail or anything. Contacted the recruiter 30 minutes after the first time yesterday and she said she'd speak with him and find out what's up. Then she emailed me later yesterday to re-schedule for today, same thing. No call or anything.
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Sab669 posted:I was told that their head of software dev would call me X time yesterday, Y time today. Phone never rang, no voicemail or anything. Contacted the recruiter 30 minutes after the first time yesterday and she said she'd speak with him and find out what's up. Then she emailed me later yesterday to re-schedule for today, same thing. No call or anything. Doesn't sound like the kind of boss I'd want to work for.
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