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Phobophilia posted:Speaking of cash, wouldn't the Evangelion series have done worse if there wasn't a constant buzz and gnashing of teeth and semi-canon detail-filling from other writers due to the 25/26 and the EoE endings? Nah, because that's not the reason Eva is Gundam's edgy younger brother in the Japanese hierarchy of sci-fi works. It's there because the characters became archetypical and it was one of those mass-market shows that was unabashedly "adult" instead of "adult" in a backhanded/miserable way (see: Tomino, Yoshiyuki) or in a puerile way (see: 80's OVA scene, entirety of). Utena is like this too, but more fabulous and equal parts more restrained and more madcap loving nuts.
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Isn't moe, still not sure what that is entirely, influenced by Rei's character/design?
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Terminal Entropy posted:Isn't moe, still not sure what that is entirely, The moe that can be squeed is not the true moe. Rei didn't originate the submissive stoic wounded carebait archetype, but she made sure a shitload of them that followed had blue hair and pale skin.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:22
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Ak Gara posted:Tiffany Grant So usually when I find out a VA has a strong connection to the character they voice I find it funny and endearing, but this poo poo is straight up terrifying. I don't have any problems with Asuka as a character or Tiffany Grant's performance, but this is the weirdest mix of nerdy hording and narcissism.
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Jun 5, 2013 01:42
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I went to a panel with Tiffany Grant at Acen one year. She kind of reminded me of a chipmunk - small, hyperactive, and constantly chittering. And goddamn, was she excited to be voicing Asuka again.
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Tiffany Grant is a few points short of a working sync ratio, yeah. For all intents and purposes, in her world she is Asuka.
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Giggily posted:I must've missed that then. Aren't all the voice actors the same as from the TV show? That was dubbed back in the era when it was considered acceptable to pay homeless people in food to dub over anime, I believe.
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Jun 5, 2013 03:12
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Except for Misato, Asuka, and Shinji, most of the VA's are from Funi's crop. Even Rei.
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cafel posted:So usually when I find out a VA has a strong connection to the character they voice I find it funny and endearing, but this poo poo is straight up terrifying. I don't have any problems with Asuka as a character or Tiffany Grant's performance, but this is the weirdest mix of nerdy hording and narcissism. I kinda felt this way when I watched one of the special features of Deadman Wonderland and saw the voice actor for uh, what's his name. Ganta. He's super weird as gently caress and I no longer want to know what voice actors look or act like ever again.
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Gaseous Snake posted:I kinda felt this way when I watched one of the special features of Deadman Wonderland and saw the voice actor for uh, what's his name. Ganta. He's super weird as gently caress and I no longer want to know what voice actors look or act like ever again. Never look up what a VA looks like in real life. They never fit, ever.
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:Never look up what a VA looks like in real life. They never fit, ever. Troy Baker looks exactly like what Id think hed look like, but I think hes the only one. e: This was always my favorite Tiffany Grant picture, its on her website. 
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Personally I think dubbers need to be personally invested in the character they're voicing. Nothing sucks like a person that comes across like they're reading the words, not saying the words. Really takes me out of action scenes. I think she did a bang up job as being Asuka's voiceover.
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Meme Emulator posted:Troy Baker looks exactly like what Id think hed look like, but I think hes the only one. I'm surprised her eye hasn't been photoshopped to match the drawing.
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Ak Gara posted:Personally I think dubbers need to be personally invested in the character they're voicing. Nothing sucks like a person that comes across like they're reading the words, not saying the words. Really takes me out of action scenes. If the dubbing process of an anime allowed time to do that with the pay not out of a garbage dump, that would be more common. But it's really just a hellhole of the lowest barrel for voice-acting.
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Gaseous Snake posted:I'm surprised her eye hasn't been photoshopped to match the drawing. Going by that video, I'm surprised she didn't have her eyes altered surgically.
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I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES, ENOUGH TO MAKE MY SPIRIT GLOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMcBwbZbKM ACanofPepsi posted:EDIT: loving hate the English audio dubs of Eva. The voice actors are just annoying, regardless of what it is. I hate coming off as a purist because I used to hate subs, but hearing the Japanese audio and English subtitles is just a nicer experience. Even if you get an .MKV file with english/japenese audio AND english subtitles, you can see what the english voice actors are saying is slightly different than the subtitles. I just feel like I'm getting the 'full' experience this way. It's also funny to hear people speaking this crazy moon language with a single English word thrown in now and then. Also I know what the word "Baka" means now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3MFkIakwWI
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I first saw an episode and it was dubbed. When I went back to watch the entire series I watched it subbed. To start with I hated Shinji's obviously female voice (I know, I know) and I couldn't quite get into it... then it happened... Shinji squealed in horror. Holy poo poo that freaked me out every single time. Amazing. I was then sold on the sub. I don't know what VO work Megumi Ogata gets, but I bet they make her yell in horror a lot. Asuka's terrible German accent on the sub is hilarious. Is that intentional? I don't really know how "German" Asuka is supposed to be.
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Wank posted:I first saw an episode and it was dubbed. When I went back to watch the entire series I watched it subbed. To start with I hated Shinji's obviously female voice (I know, I know) and I couldn't quite get into it... then it happened... Shinji squealed in horror. Holy poo poo that freaked me out every single time. Amazing. I was then sold on the sub. I don't know what VO work Megumi Ogata gets, but I bet they make her yell in horror a lot. The English spoken by two of the characters Rebuild 2 is pretty ridiculous: Kaji sounds like a deaf French speaker trying to sound American and Mari sounds like some mix of Germanic and Nordic, even though she is suppose to be British.
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Ok, Spanish dub is the official canon now. Please update OP.
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The Spanish dub ending is the best, PenPen and Narrator are the best voices. Note the endless stream of "w" racing across the screen. Series ending spoilers if there's anyone who hasn't watched it yet (I know there was at least one person in the process).
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Eva is SCIENCE. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130604153520.htm "Life-Producing Phosphorus Carried to Earth by Meteorites" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404122234.htm "Origin of Life: Power Behind Primordial Soup Discovered"
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So I just finished the entire series (except for the rebuild movies) and goddamn as a story about depression and overcoming it, it's pretty good I feel. I don't know what to think of EoE to be honest but I guess I enjoyed it if I think it runs parallel with the tv shows ending. Anyways I haven't really read up much about the rebuild movies but how good are they? E: I just finished EoE to be precise. But I'm leaning on I liked it a lot cuz it was hosed up and I like when poo poo gets hosed up. The REAL Goobusters fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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Terminal Entropy posted:The English spoken by two of the characters Rebuild 2 is pretty ridiculous: Kaji sounds like a deaf French speaker trying to sound American and Mari sounds like some mix of Germanic and Nordic, even though she is suppose to be British. I'll give Mari's VA credit, because at least she spoke understandable English. Kaji's VA, not so much. It was on the level of 'Tiger and Bunny' reading the next episode title without the whole 'it's a joke' factor.
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It's kind of pedantic, but it particularly bothers me that Asuka's German is so bad. Her foreign-ness is a big part of her character, especially in a culture that's as homogenous as Japan's. When she swears in German, or calls Shinji a dumkopf, that's an important signal that she's deliberately isolating herself, if only momentarily, from her peers, so the accent should be perfect! She should really have had a German accent when she spoke Japanese (or English in the dub), to emphasise her otherness. I prefer the idea that she just learnt Japanese because she has an IQ of a trillion, rather than speaking it natively. Popcorn fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 5, 2013 |
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PonchAxis posted:So I just finished the entire series (except for the rebuild movies) and goddamn as a story about depression and overcoming it, it's pretty good I feel. I don't know what to think of EoE to be honest but I guess I enjoyed it if I think it runs parallel with the tv shows ending. Anyways I haven't really read up much about the rebuild movies but how good are they? Rebuild is great. It's a wonderful mix of new and re-animated action scenes and meta-commentary on the series itself. You don't need to have a super in-depth knowledge of the franchise to appreciate it (well, for the first two movies, at least) but it rewards you if you do. There's something for everyone, including a new ending whenever the fourth movie comes out. (Probably in like three years.  )
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PonchAxis posted:So I just finished the entire series (except for the rebuild movies) and goddamn as a story about depression and overcoming it, it's pretty good I feel. I don't know what to think of EoE to be honest but I guess I enjoyed it if I think it runs parallel with the tv shows ending. Anyways I haven't really read up much about the rebuild movies but how good are they?
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Popcorn posted:It's kind of pedantic, but it particularly bothers me that Asuka's German is so bad. Her foreign-ness is a big part of her character, especially in a culture that's as homogenous as Japan's. When she swears in German, or calls Shinji a dumkopf, that's an important signal that she's deliberately isolating herself, if only momentarily, from her peers, so the accent should be perfect!
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Popcorn posted:It's kind of pedantic, but it particularly bothers me that Asuka's German is so bad. Her foreign-ness is a big part of her character, especially in a culture that's as homogenous as Japan's. When she swears in German, or calls Shinji a dumkopf, that's an important signal that she's deliberately isolating herself, if only momentarily, from her peers, so the accent should be perfect! Well wasn't her mom Japanese. It's totally not ridiculous to assume that they spoke Japanese in the Langley-Soryhu household, and so Asuka is probably bilingual.
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I'm not as hot on Rebuild as these guys, but it's certainly interesting, especially 3 in my opinion because it diverges the most from the original series. And the production values are much better (there's a representative still in the OP, probably comparison videos on YouTube.)Popcorn posted:It's kind of pedantic, but it particularly bothers me that Asuka's German is so bad. Her foreign-ness is a big part of her character, especially in a culture that's as homogenous as Japan's. When she swears in German, or calls Shinji a dumkopf, that's an important signal that she's deliberately isolating herself, if only momentarily, from her peers, so the accent should be perfect! I think the dub has added German lines for Asuka because Tiffany Grant speaks good German.
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Paracelsus posted:Neat idea, but what VA are you going to get to do it? Not the point! SHISHKABOB posted:Well wasn't her mom Japanese. It's totally not ridiculous to assume that they spoke Japanese in the Langley-Soryhu household, and so Asuka is probably bilingual. Yeah but this isn't the point either. It's not like story doesn't make sense as it stands (at least not in this respect!). I'm saying I wish her non-Japanese side had been emphasised more - possibly to the extent of making Japanese her second language, like I said.
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Ak Gara posted:Tiffany Grant Ahahahaha hooooooly poo poo. I especially love the soft jazz version of Fly Me to the Moon in the background. The whole thing is like a gigantic infomercial on Asuka merch. There is a level of obsession in here that is beyond reason, only made slightly more understandable by the fact that she's the VA and I imagine she's not hurting for money. Really though, I think she improved her voice as "Asuka" tremendously in 2.22. It makes me curious how she'll sound in 3.33.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Well wasn't her mom Japanese. It's totally not ridiculous to assume that they spoke Japanese in the Langley-Soryhu household, and so Asuka is probably bilingual. Yeah Asuka is a fluent Japanese speaker but she can't read it. Makes sense to assume she picked it up by speaking with her mom. House Louse posted:I'm not as hot on Rebuild as these guys, but it's certainly interesting, especially 3 in my opinion because it diverges the most from the original series. And the production values are much better (there's a representative still in the OP, probably comparison videos on YouTube.) Yeah. The scene where asuka gets the call from home is all in totally real german. Grants accent is supposedly poo poo, though. 
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The Grimace posted:Ahahahaha hooooooly poo poo. I especially love the soft jazz version of Fly Me to the Moon in the background. The whole thing is like a gigantic infomercial on Asuka merch. There is a level of obsession in here that is beyond reason, only made slightly more understandable by the fact that she's the VA and I imagine she's not hurting for money. She can kind of get a pass as it seems like method acting mixed with being handed free merchandise from work and from fans and just keeping that stuff for the sake of a collection and appreciation.
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The Grimace posted:Ahahahaha hooooooly poo poo. I especially love the soft jazz version of Fly Me to the Moon in the background. The whole thing is like a gigantic infomercial on Asuka merch. There is a level of obsession in here that is beyond reason, only made slightly more understandable by the fact that she's the VA and I imagine she's not hurting for money. Ah, not hurting for money? I think you're a little optimistic about how much VA's are paid, even in a successful series. My friend saw Steven Blum at a con selling autographs for twenty bucks. If you're going to the trouble of doing a con for that kind of financial motive, I'd hesitate to say that you're not hurting for money. You still have to work at it to make a living. Except if you're on the Simpsons. Those guys make bank.
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cafel posted:Ah, not hurting for money? I think you're a little optimistic about how much VA's are paid, even in a successful series. My friend saw Steven Blum at a con selling autographs for twenty bucks. If you're going to the trouble of doing a con for that kind of financial motive, I'd hesitate to say that you're not hurting for money. You still have to work at it to make a living. Except if you're on the Simpsons. Those guys make bank. Yeah, anime VAs especially get paid poo poo. There's a reason why a lot of the big names like Stephanie Sheh and the like pull double-duty as editors and directors, and it isn't out of charity.
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cafel posted:Ah, not hurting for money? I think you're a little optimistic about how much VA's are paid, even in a successful series. My friend saw Steven Blum at a con selling autographs for twenty bucks. If you're going to the trouble of doing a con for that kind of financial motive, I'd hesitate to say that you're not hurting for money. You still have to work at it to make a living. Except if you're on the Simpsons. Those guys make bank. Oh, yeah, you're definitely right. I just thought that since she was married to ADV's co-founder, that would amount to something... but then, ADV's been dead for years now, so that argument doesn't really hold up. Regardless, yeah, being a VA is a job you really have to love doing, because it's really not financially beneficial.
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The Grimace posted:Oh, yeah, you're definitely right. I just thought that since she was married to ADV's co-founder, that would amount to something... but then, ADV's been dead for years now, so that argument doesn't really hold up. Anime voicework alone literally does not pay well enough to live off anymore. There are multiple VAs on record openly stating this, and the general theme to be picked up is that high licensing fees + declining sales = not enough bacon for the talent anymore.
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All I can say to the nearly embarrassing awkwardness I feel just being in the same room as an english dub of a show so utterly inextricable from a culture and language so profoundly different from ours is: POR FAVOR NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Guys, what's with the giant red maw in Eva 3.0? Seriously its boggling my mind, I can't figure out what it is. Was it GNR's skull what was buried underground? I literally have no other clue.
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