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-Atom- posted:So it's all baseless then? Okay. Eddie Bravo says a LOT of stupid poo poo, but none of it changes the fact that he's a very good black belt.
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I think the primary reason Eddie is "controversial" or whatever is because of all the outlandish things he's said over the years. If he beat Royler and then talked about how hard he trained and that he was pretty stoked on the techniques he invented than everyone would have given him his props and that's it. Instead he made a bunch of controversial statements like "If you want to be the best in nogi don't train in the gi", "10th Planet is going to dominate nogi grappling/MMA/submission only tournaments" and so on. My personal opinion is Eddie is VERY good at Jiu Jitsu, very mediocre at teaching it, and at least in a sports jiu jitsu context his innovations haven't really proven to be that useful. If Fatherdog says a bunch of people use it successfully in MMA I'll take him at his word since I basically stopped watching MMA years ago, but you almost never see Rubber Guard in a sports context(I know Vinny used it against Werdum at the last ADCC but I'm struggling to think of another time I've seen it used at ADCC or IBJJF black belt events or similar level tournaments) and I don't think I've ever seen someone successfully use lockdown at the higher levels. edit: fatherdog posted:Eddie Bravo says a LOT of stupid poo poo, but none of it changes the fact that he's a very good black belt. Totally agree with this
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People go to mission control all the time in the UFC and Rogan spurts about it, but it rarely leads to anything.
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nemoulette posted:Sorry to harp on about this but the whole 10th planet thing of wearing gi pants still doesn't make any sense They're comfy. Gi pants and a rashguard is legal in most no-gi competetions. His reason for eschewing the gi is he wanted to focus on jiu jitsu as it applies to MMA, which is fine, but the people who haven't abandoned the gi are the people still competing in gi. And perhaps he could've been one of the best no gi guys in the world if he hadn't retired after a 4th place ADCC run. If he'd worked hard and made another run at it in '05, who knows, but as it stands if he walked into ADCC this year he'd most likely get destroyed by the current crop of top guys.
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Sprecherscrow posted:They're comfy. Gi pants and a rashguard is legal in most no-gi competetions. Are gi pants legal in most nogi tournaments? They aren't legal in IBJJF tournaments and I've never seen anyone wear them in ADCC. Also, If I remember correctly when Eddie first started teaching nogi he didn't talk to much about rubber guard for MMA. He talked about liking nogi better than gi and that training nogi only was better for those focused on nogi competition. He didn't start talking about it in an MMA context until later. I agree with you that Eddie would get destroyed at ADCC this year but I think almost everyone else who competed in 2003 would too. The level of competitors is much higher than it was then and most people are going to be past their prime 10 years after a specific tournament.
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dokomoy posted:Are gi pants legal in most nogi tournaments? They aren't legal in IBJJF tournaments and I've never seen anyone wear them in ADCC. At the smaller ones I've been to they've been legal. I think IBJJF has some really stupid rules about attire for no-gi if I'm not mistaken. I think NAGA and Grappler's Quest don't care. Eddie has said on numerous occasions, including the Mastering the Rubber Guard DVD, that he liked rubber guard because it meant you couldn't get hit and that he used it in case he was ever "forced to do MMA". The finals of the 2011 -77 kg division was the dude who won that division in '03 and the dude who won -66 kg in '03 (beating Eddie in the process). Bravo's still rolling regularly in the gym, he just doesn't compete.
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I'd love to see metamoris go full no-gi. A lot less double-rear end footjobbing would occur. Also you should be able to lose by ring out like Virtua Fighter. Then Cyborg could have just shot on Shaub when he was doing the "I'm on the edge you can't shoot" poo poo. And if a guy does the "smacking your head" poo poo, he should be shot by snipers from the rafters. nemoulette posted:Sorry to harp on about this but the whole 10th planet thing of wearing gi pants still doesn't make any sense Gi pants are comfortable, many grapplers own them any way, and they don't give your opponent a loving rope to wrap around your neck.
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dokomoy posted:Are gi pants legal in most nogi tournaments? They aren't legal in IBJJF tournaments and I've never seen anyone wear them in ADCC. Arona has no knees now and still wouldn't get a point scored against him.
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Jun 12, 2013 20:21
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Please someone find that video of Arona getting sucker punched in a grappling match.
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Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Please someone find that video of Arona getting sucker punched in a grappling match. This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__DnL145zU4
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It seems a little silly to wear gi pants in a nogi tournament because I feel like there's no way they aren't going to get grabbed, illegal or not
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Who Gotch Ya posted:Gi pants are comfortable, many grapplers own them any way, and they don't give your opponent a loving rope to wrap around your neck.
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As soon as kicks and punches begin, Arona's hands go down to waist level, and his head becomes perfectly vertical, like he has a steel rod in his spine. It is beautiful.
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Kareem Barkalaev kind of just dropped off the face of the earth. After the Arona incident he claims he spent a few days locked up under arrest still shirtless and in the shorts he was competing in. Then fought in Warriors War in Kuwait weighed in heavy I think and still competed and subbed Pele. Then that's it.
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Dangersim posted:It seems a little silly to wear gi pants in a nogi tournament because I feel like there's no way they aren't going to get grabbed, illegal or not Pretty much and you can't really fault people for doing it. Everyone is mentally conditioned to grab gi pants.
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nemoulette posted:That's fine, I suppose I just don't get training in a getup that isn't really used in competitions if you have ambitions beyond TMA/LARPing. Training in a gi is larping? Cmon son.
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always be closing posted:Training in a gi is larping? Cmon son. If you're talking about the art's relevance to real life? Yeah, a bit. You're training for a scenario where you're attacked by Hugh Hefner basically. It's not as bad as ninjitsu classes or whatever, but you're definitely training in unrealistic attire as deference to tradition/because it's part of the sport/it lets you do cool chokes. That said, gis are awesome.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:If you're talking about the art's relevance to real life? Yeah, a bit. You're training for a scenario where you're attacked by Hugh Hefner basically. It's not as bad as ninjitsu classes or whatever, but you're definitely training in unrealistic attire as deference to tradition/because it's part of the sport/it lets you do cool chokes. Hold on, lemme put on my judo three-piece suit before I get mugged.
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always be closing posted:Training in a gi is larping? Cmon son.  / whatever) closely then I don't get the practicality of it. You can't, as far as I know, grab pants in any known no gi ruleset I'm aware of so you're just adding extra friction that you won't have as soon as you compete  Of course, if you just train for fun, giggles or self defense then it's perfectly fine. But that's not really how 10th Planet is marketed I don't think.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:If you're talking about the art's relevance to real life? Yeah, a bit. You're training for a scenario where you're attacked by Hugh Hefner basically. It's not as bad as ninjitsu classes or whatever, but you're definitely training in unrealistic attire as deference to tradition/because it's part of the sport/it lets you do cool chokes. Isn't the idea behind a GI that it 's a good sturdy form of clothing that you can use in training which simulates everyday clothes? If you, for some strange reason, actually train with real world self defence as a goal, then a gi seems a fair bit more realistic than the rashguards I wear for SW and MMA practise. As far as competition goes I kind of agree with nemoulette. BJJ guys often seem to claim that to get better at no gi and MMA grappling it is helpful, even essential, to train with a gi as well, but that seems pretty counter intuitive to me. It seems much more efficient to train the actual sport you aim to compete in instead. DekeThornton fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Jun 13, 2013 |
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DekeThornton posted:Isn't the idea behind a GI that it 's a good sturdy form of clothing that you can use in training which simulates everyday clothes. I guess that depends on your definition of everyday clothes. 
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MycroftXXX posted:I guess that depends on your definition of everyday clothes. True. I'll rest easy knowing that my lack of gi training won't be a problem when I'm attacked by Uriah Faber.
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DekeThornton posted:True. I'll rest easy knowing that my lack of gi training won't be a problem when I'm attacked by Uriah Faber. well if you really want to be tactical you'd keep an extra gi and throw it on him before the fight, then he'd really be screwed.
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Neurosis posted:As soon as kicks and punches begin, Arona's hands go down to waist level, and his head becomes perfectly vertical, like he has a steel rod in his spine. It is beautiful. He must do this to draw your eyes up, away from his abs, so you never see the leg kicks coming
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DekeThornton posted:Isn't the idea behind a GI that it 's a good sturdy form of clothing that you can use in training which simulates everyday clothes? If you, for some strange reason, actually train with real world self defence as a goal, then a gi seems a fair bit more realistic than the rashguards I wear for SW and MMA practise. You can't really make an assumptions about what a person might be wearing when they attack you (maybe you will be attacked by a naked hobo), so it seems like the most effective training for self-defense would be to train grappling with no additional handles beyond whatever your opponent's body provides. fake edit: I think I just said that the thing missing from modern grappling is ancient Grecian Olympic wrestling dick-grab throws.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:You can't really make an assumptions about what a person might be wearing when they attack you (maybe you will be attacked by a naked hobo), so it seems like the most effective training for self-defense would be to train grappling with no additional handles beyond whatever your opponent's body provides. Well, one counterargument is that things like a RNC are considerably harder with a gi (or other jacket) in the way. Also you don't know what YOU will be wearing; you wouldn't want someone to grab your jacket and suddenly find out you don't know anything about grip breaks and stuff. Ultimately there's no reason not to just train both.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:You can't really make an assumptions about what a person might be wearing when they attack you (maybe you will be attacked by a naked hobo), so it seems like the most effective training for self-defense would be to train grappling with no additional handles beyond whatever your opponent's body provides. No-gi teaches you not to rely on there being easy handles on your opponent, but the flipside is that it also teaches you that you aren't covered in easy handles yourself, which you are. Assuming that you wear clothes most of the time. They're both equally applicable to self defence. No-gi gets you comfortable with the worst case scenario offensively, gi gets you comfortable with the worst case scenario defensively.
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I practice gi and nipple twisting for use in emergency naked fight scenarios. Will youtube some sick ancient Grecian Olympic wrestling dick-grab throws as well.
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BJJ is really bad for self defense but its really good for jumping somebody.
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But I guess a brick is better for jumping somebody. So get a brick, and do jiu-jitsu if it is a hobby that you enjoy.
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The way Eddie Bravo's rise to prominence etc was explained to me by my coach was that he's a good black belt and he's trained a lot of good BJJ practitioners but gets flac within some elements of the community because he's been most successful using traditional techniques but claims his success has come from his superior created or borrowed techniques. Also people wear clothes, they wear jackets, you can grab the sleeve of a hoodie as easy as you can the sleeve of a gi. I started in no gi and I wear gi pants when I roll no gi. It makes it easier to lock down triangles and half guard etc when you get sweaty it also prevents getting mat burn which can lead to infection. I don't mind wearing a gi, but I find I'm much, much faster and overall better when I'm not wearing a jacket. I'm trying to close those holes in my game by doing more in a gi but having to defend my lapels and sleeves was a bit of an eye-opener.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:If you're talking about the art's relevance to real life? Yeah, a bit. You're training for a scenario where you're attacked by Hugh Hefner basically. It's not as bad as ninjitsu classes or whatever, but you're definitely training in unrealistic attire as deference to tradition/because it's part of the sport/it lets you do cool chokes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WkmgQQhVSw&t=50s (say it again)
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When it comes to chokes there are no tough guys.
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USA Judo is streaming the Miami Grand Prix live today and tomorrow. No cost. Lots of good Judo so far today.
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The World Team Trials for wrestling are this weekend. 74kg in particular should be pretty awesome, with Kyle Dake, David Taylor, Andrew Howe, and Trent Paulson all wrestling today for the opportunity to lose to Jordan Burroughs. Flowrestling will be streaming, but you have to subscribe to see it. Bloody Elbow has a decent preview posted If you want to follow @USAWrestling and @Flowrestling generally do a good job with updates. Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Jun 21, 2013 |
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Miyao bros got their black belts
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the least weasel posted:Weren't they purple only like a year or two ago?
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