Tzarnal posted:

The worst part is how illogical the whole attack is in the first place. Raiden wants to stop getting those kids being gassed to death, and could presumably do so by cutting the glass. The scientist is trying to stop raiden by presenting a moral issue where Raiden is unwilling to Chose. He doesn't want to free the kids because it would spell George death.

That is not logical but its very human so thats fine. Raiden does not think he can defuse the problem by attacking the scientist without getting his new heartstrings plucking orphan friend killed. However George is selfless and tells Raiden to forget about his life and rescue the kids. Raiden asks if George is sure about that, George confirms.

And then he kills the scientist knowing full well that dooms George, seemingly completely forgetting the whole setup of the drama in the first place. Why would he even do that. If he simply goes for the glass there is a decent chance the kidnapper will abandon his ploy because he knows it failed. If the scientist does kill George that sucks, but we just established that George was willing to risk that. Why throw that away ?

Samuel posted:

I wonder if chip does all these cliffhangers intentionally (probably does) to keep general conversation on the game going during the week.

McDragon posted:

Am I misremembering, or doesn't one of the baddies after the brain room cutscene usually have a special arm?

Zuzie posted:

There has to be other silly costumes for Raiden to be in. While the Mariachi costume is funny, there should be other ones as well.

Tzarnal posted:

The worst part is how illogical the whole attack is in the first place. Raiden wants to stop getting those kids being gassed to death, and could presumably do so by cutting the glass. The scientist is trying to stop raiden by presenting a moral issue where Raiden is unwilling to Chose. He doesn't want to free the kids because it would spell George death.

That is not logical but its very human so thats fine. Raiden does not think he can defuse the problem by attacking the scientist without getting his new heartstrings plucking orphan friend killed. However George is selfless and tells Raiden to forget about his life and rescue the kids. Raiden asks if George is sure about that, George confirms.

And then he kills the scientist knowing full well that dooms George, seemingly completely forgetting the whole setup of the drama in the first place. Why would he even do that. If he simply goes for the glass there is a decent chance the kidnapper will abandon his ploy because he knows it failed. If the scientist does kill George that sucks, but we just established that George was willing to risk that. Why throw that away ?

Hook posted:

Thank you for having Raiden come to a halt at Doktor's 'DOOMP' line. That made it so much better.

Crabtree posted:

I like how Kevin suddenly gets sensitive about conducting military operations when it is in his own country of origin. He's had no problem with pocketing money earned from the conflicts of others, simply sitting on his rear end telling jokes and crunching numbers or clapping at the sight of living cyborgs slicing each other apart in every developing 2nd or 3rd world country. But when its suddenly in the USA, oh no, that's when there are these things called LAWS and CIVILIZATION that needs to be protected from the damage that privatized mechanical warfare could cause.

Its the kind of prejudice and double standard that even people in supposedly benevolent PMCs would have and I'm glad either Platinum added or the people who translated this game kept in. It helps keep people from thinking PMCs are inherently "the good guys".

Giggily posted:

Look, George said that he wanted Raiden to cut him in half with a katana, and Raiden just wasn't going to let him down.

Crabtree posted:

I like how Kevin suddenly gets sensitive about conducting military operations when it is in his own country of origin. He's had no problem with pocketing money earned from the conflicts of others, simply sitting on his rear end telling jokes and crunching numbers or clapping at the sight of living cyborgs slicing each other apart in every developing 2nd or 3rd world country. But when its suddenly in the USA, oh no, that's when there are these things called LAWS and CIVILIZATION that needs to be protected from the damage that privatized mechanical warfare could cause.

Its the kind of prejudice and double standard that even people in supposedly benevolent PMCs would have and I'm glad either Platinum added or the people who translated this game kept in. It helps keep people from thinking PMCs are inherently "the good guys".

Crabtree posted:

I like how Kevin suddenly gets sensitive about conducting military operations when it is in his own country of origin. He's had no problem with pocketing money earned from the conflicts of others, simply sitting on his rear end telling jokes and crunching numbers or clapping at the sight of living cyborgs slicing each other apart in every developing 2nd or 3rd world country. But when its suddenly in the USA, oh no, that's when there are these things called LAWS and CIVILIZATION that needs to be protected from the damage that privatized mechanical warfare could cause.

Its the kind of prejudice and double standard that even people in supposedly benevolent PMCs would have and I'm glad either Platinum added or the people who translated this game kept in. It helps keep people from thinking PMCs are inherently "the good guys".

Kuru Seed posted:

Or maybe it's because he doesn't want America to fall down on Maverick and Raiden.

Chaos341 posted:

Or maybe its because to act against World Marshall, a legitimate and massive American PMC, without any reason that they can prove would just end in the lot of them being international criminals and hunted down.

Crabtree posted:

I mean, even if there is a very good argument to not mess with the United States in its own national territory, even after the power their government was still somewhat afforded by The Patriots is now irreparably gone, it just seems a little weird that Kevin is worried about laws after Raiden performed a potentially risky black op in a city not a war.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but they were able to infiltrate Mexico thanks to specific information and an "unknown NGO", seemingly more interested in the greater moral good they could accomplish than any laws they would break if they were found out – though they weren’t exactly eager to break them. They didn’t know what they would exactly find, but probably had contingencies in place to possibly even bribe the Mexican government into sweeping this under the rug if the worst came to happen. Still, no one in the group was particularly worried about the specific area they were in even though they have a no civilian or unwarranted cruelty allowed policy. They did allow Raiden to disguise himself in nothing but a Sombrero and a superspy sports car for crying out loud.

If the next area in the game was in Russia and its government would completely back Maverick in full to offer their services to a justified, yet extremely delicate civilian situation, would Boris be okay with the job if it was specifically in his own hometown?

It’s nice that this company only takes defense contracts and from what we’ve seen they are nowhere near as bad as other past or current PMCs. But does that mean they wouldn’t have national favoritism to potential jobs, even if they were somehow able to find evidence to support their attack like they did in the illegal child smuggling cyborg lab in the Guadalajara sewers? (Don't take this as criticism against the game, I'm actually tickled pink I can think about a metal gear spin-off like this.)

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Retromancer posted:

now the game really gets good. the first level is basically a side story that doesn't have much to do with the rest of the game, and level 2 is a kind of boring romp through a short sewer level that sets up the plot, but level three is where poo poo goes crazy.

also level 3 has the best boss in the game.

Retromancer posted:

now the game really gets good. the first level is basically a side story that doesn't have much to do with the rest of the game, and level 2 is a kind of boring romp through a short sewer level that sets up the plot, but level three is where poo poo goes crazy.

also level 3 has the best boss in the game.

SatansBestBuddy posted:

Yes, let's all drop everything and gush about the parts of the game we haven't seen in the LP yet. I'm sure that will be a riveting discussion of "It's so cool, I can't say why it's cool cause spoilers, but it's so cool"

I love how almost all of Raiden's conversations with Wolf consist of him having all his per-conceived notions of how an AI works broken down because Wolf is basically a cyborg with an AI brain, not a computer hooked up to the internet that can talk.

Rhonne posted:

it's also the chapter where Raiden reaches peak Christian Bale Rasp.

Sgt Thud posted:

Chapter 2 is probably the weakest point of the game in my opinion. It's not bad, but it fails to stand out, and it's boss fight is fairly boring, more a miniboss than anything. Also chapter 2 is full of Mastiffs and gently caress those guys.