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Cipher Pol 9 posted:I was looking over some rumored character lists since Pucci and Dio were announced, and while most of them have way too many Part 5 characters for me to (want to) believe them, I do hope F.F. and especially Lisa Lisa make it in. While F.F. has a good chance of making it in being a main character in Stone Ocean, it's more possible that Lisa Lisa may be left out and that would be a real shame considering how cool she was and how few female characters they have to choose from. Lisa Lisa should just be as blatantly like Rose from Street Fighter as possible.
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Brother Entropy posted:Lisa Lisa should just be as blatantly like Rose from Street Fighter as possible. As long as Stroheim can do flash kicks and throw sonic booms. Actually Guile isn't nearly as bad a ripoff as Rose or Gill, and Capcom is still stealing Araki's designs for new Street Fighter characters (Juri).
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Jul 3, 2013 17:04
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I wouldn't call it stealing so much as I'd call it "Everyone rips off everyone else" much like how Araki's story was heavily inspired from Fist of the North Star, lest we forget Jonathan "Kenshiro" Joestar.
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Jul 3, 2013 17:44
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Sex_Ferguson posted:I wouldn't call it stealing so much as I'd call it "Everyone rips off everyone else" much like how Araki's story was heavily inspired from Fist of the North Star, lest we forget Jonathan "Kenshiro" Joestar.
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Jul 4, 2013 09:46
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Early Jojo uses a mystical martial arts technique involving proper breathing to grant the user superpowers, which is completely different from Fist of the North Star's mystical martial arts technique that involves hitting pressure points to grant the user superpowers. Get it straight. Though to be fair the concept of Stands was something that Araki knocked out of the park and completely eclipsed his predecessors and most of his successors with.
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Jul 4, 2013 15:55
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Sex_Ferguson posted:I wouldn't call it stealing so much as I'd call it "Everyone rips off everyone else" much like how Araki's story was heavily inspired from Fist of the North Star, lest we forget Jonathan "Kenshiro" Joestar. Nope, I'm pretty sure they do steal Jojo characters to do a completely intentional homage for every new street fighter series. But they are so open about it that nobody minds, since they are no trying to fool anyone. There's lots of Jojo fans, why would it be weird for them to do so?
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Jul 4, 2013 17:27
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Not just Street Fighter, Benimaru from the SNK series was based on Polnareff. I'm fine with the homages though, as trucutru said it just means they're JoJo fans and that's awesome.
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Jul 4, 2013 17:48
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:Not just Street Fighter, Benimaru from the SNK series was based on Polnareff. I'm fine with the homages though, as trucutru said it just means they're JoJo fans and that's awesome.
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Jul 4, 2013 20:12
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Perigryn posted:As well as Dio/Neo Dio from World Heroes basically being Cars with some Santana, Dio and Baoh thrown in. As well as Brocken from World Heroes literally being Stroheim.
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Jul 4, 2013 23:12
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Cipher Pol 9 posted:Not just Street Fighter, Benimaru from the SNK series was based on Polnareff. I'm fine with the homages though, as trucutru said it just means they're JoJo fans and that's awesome. My understanding is that SNK is so transparent about it they just call him "Polnareff" in dev. But yeah, I think the attitude is probably something like, "gently caress it. They made a new character and didn't hurt the property. Yeah. Go for it."
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Cerebral Bore posted:As well as Brocken from World Heroes literally being Stroheim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHnGi1KY2o SEKAI ICHIIIIII!
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I heard that Vento Aureo is not a good part, but I'm 10 or so chapters in and it's still great. Is there a point where it stops being great?
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Jul 7, 2013 01:38
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Part 5 is pretty good all the way through, but I definitely think the intro is its strongest part. After the main team gets assembled it starts sliding downhill.
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Jul 7, 2013 01:55
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mikeycp posted:I heard that Vento Aureo is not a good part, but I'm 10 or so chapters in and it's still great. Depending on your tolerance for bad translations, either at the very end or during the fight with the ice guy. Either way you've still got a ways to go.
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mikeycp posted:I heard that Vento Aureo is not a good part, but I'm 10 or so chapters in and it's still great. How much do you like Bruno? Also, the ending will give you the distinct feeling that Araki was sitting at his drawing table going, "Wait, how are you supposed to beat that power... poo poo..." It helps that coming off the heels of the last three JoJos, Giorno is a decided step down.
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mikeycp posted:I heard that Vento Aureo is not a good part, but I'm 10 or so chapters in and it's still great. It depends on what breaks you first: the completely insignificant protagonist, the constant fights making every minor step of the overarching narrative take ages, the villain who's only real personality is 'The Big Bad Guy' or the worst finale of any JoJo part. There are a couple cool stands and the gang seem like they'd be great with more downtime to develop some character but overall it's sandwiched between two way more interesting parts.
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Jul 7, 2013 03:45
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mikeycp posted:I heard that Vento Aureo is not a good part, but I'm 10 or so chapters in and it's still great. Yeah, the final battle. It's just a bunch of random, weird poo poo happening, and not in the good, Araki-esque way.
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Jul 7, 2013 04:21
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Yeah, the final battle. It's just a bunch of random, weird poo poo happening, and not in the good, Araki-esque way. Pretty much this. As soon as Silver Chariot Requiem shows up, everything stops making sense.
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Jul 7, 2013 19:19
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To be honest Vento Aureo is pretty bad before the ending too, just not ridiculously bad. It's more like you get some good stuff and then some bad stuff here and there. Also get it right, the entire story goes off the rails when Bruno is punched through the fuckin heart by Diavolo and continues living.
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Jul 7, 2013 19:49
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Sex_Ferguson posted:To be honest Vento Aureo is pretty bad before the ending too, just not ridiculously bad. It's more like you get some good stuff and then some bad stuff here and there. Also get it right, the entire story goes off the rails when Bruno is punched through the fuckin heart by Diavolo and continues living. Now to be fair, that spoiler is explained pretty well within the story. I think I just found Vento Aureo one of the weakest parts because of the poor translation sucking a lot of life out of the characters. I didn't really like any of them the way I enjoyed the characters from the other parts, even the cast of part 4 through the filter of duwang. It also pulls out a really bland explanation for stands that really didn't need to be in the story at all.
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Vento Aureo has some cool stuff in it and it kicks the rear end of most other fist punch fightman comics, but it still has some big problems and it's just not amazing like parts 2-4 and 7.
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To be fair, Araki was on a roll for the better part of a decade; that is not to say that Vento Aureo is without merits. It's just that, after writing about the Bizarre Adventures of a gentlemanly archaeologist, a lovable jerk, an angry-looking student / marine biologist and a mama's boy, it's gonna be pretty hard to stay at that level or go over it. What I'm saying is that Vento Aureo never had a fighting chance, even if it had a proper JoJo. But we didn't get the JoJo we needed: We got the GioGio we deserved.
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Jul 8, 2013 02:45
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Jolyne and Johnny are way better characters than Giorno, so there's that.
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Soulcleaver posted:Jolyne and Johnny are way better characters than Giorno, so there's that. Jolyne and Johhny have distinct arcs where they grow as characters. Giorno's character never really goes anywhere at any point in the story. There are times, at least I remember this happening, where his "Gotta be the boss" goal is enforced by something, but nothing takes him beyond "have this goal -> accomplish this goal."
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Johnny's reminds me of a lot of manga protagonists, but in a good way. Jolyne is an awesome character period and I hope that we get a Part Six anime soon because listening to Miyuki Sawashiro's lines from the All-Star Battle previews puts a goofier smile on my face. The goofiest smiles, of course, are indebted to Sugita as Joseph. Although that may change once the actual game comes out and I get to hear the other VA's do their thang.
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Waffleman_ posted:Doppio's pururururu I'd like to think that part of the Doppio audition was, "How well can you imitate a phone?" I'd also like to think that they had a frog ready for anyone who thought they might do better using a prop.
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onepixeljumpman posted:I'd like to think that part of the Doppio audition was, "How well can you imitate a phone?" I'd also like to think that they had a frog ready for anyone who thought they might do better using a prop. I don't think I've smiled like an idiot quite as much as that trailer.
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36 minute footage of tournament. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssVT5Vmu58g My two gripes are that projectile attacks are too slow, and cutscenes for stage hazards interrupt the gameplay.
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Yeah it doesn't look like projectile heavy characters will be hugely viable in this game. It's a shame, because I wanted to kick some rear end with Guido Mista.
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To be fair it did not look like The computer had any idea about how to play Hol Horse and instead it made his shots dodge his opponents.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:36 minute footage of tournament. That Johnny Joestar vs Gyro fight is probably the most obnoxious fighting game thing I've ever seen. Starts at 11 minutes.
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Sarcophallus posted:That Johnny Joestar vs Gyro fight is probably the most obnoxious fighting game thing I've ever seen. Starts at 11 minutes. This is the AI fighting so it's not even as close to as good as a human fight. Also that's Hol Horse not Gyro.
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MonsterEnvy posted:This is the AI fighting so it's not even as close to as good as a human fight. Also that's Hol Horse not Gyro. Oh poo poo that's embarrassing.
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Here have some more matches. http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21324342 Skip to 5:35 http://www.mmcafe.com/nico.html#http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21324513 Skip to 3:10 These ones are edited to make them seem more fast-paced.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Here have some more matches. If it's anything like the last one then they should have the full matches on their channel either today or tomorrow. http://www.youtube.com/user/nbgi
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Why is it so hard to get footage of actual people with hands and thinking playing this game? I mean, I'd probably have a more solid opinion on the gameplay if I could see some actual people playing it. These computers don't do anything special and it's really just making me more wary of the game.
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Sex_Ferguson posted:Why is it so hard to get footage of actual people with hands and thinking playing this game? I mean, I'd probably have a more solid opinion on the gameplay if I could see some actual people playing it. These computers don't do anything special and it's really just making me more wary of the game. Well Hol Horse is all you need the computer was horrible at playing what with the sending shots away from the opponents. However it's pretty clear that in Human hands this would be pretty cool.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well Hol Horse is all you need the computer was horrible at playing what with the sending shots away from the opponents. However it's pretty clear that in Human hands this would be pretty cool. Not really. Like if the Capcom game that they're taking a lot of their cues from is any indication it's going to operate in the same way it did there. Press stand button, push a direction immediately after you fire it and it'll follow that direction. Although it was a good thing to have in that game because it was fast enough to have plenty of use. It looks like garbage in this game because the projectiles we've seen move pretty slow, probably to motivate you to do close quarters combat since a lot of the characters in the game are probably made for that style. However that's going to gimp out range characters and make them rather worthless, especially since the game is a 3D fighter. If you're talking about the gameplay, I still reserve the right to skeptical until I actually something worth getting excited about. Having actual human people playing against each other in the game would do a lot more for my skepticism, but it seems like they're not willing to do that for whatever reason.
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MonsterEnvy posted:This is the AI fighting so it's not even as close to as good as a human fight. Also that's Hol Horse not Gyro.
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