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I'm playing through Kotor 2 for the very first time and I'm kindof in love with it. Are there any EU books that are set during that time period, or at least "a long time before the prequel movies"? I have a feeling if there is anything, it's only recent stuff, and no idea if it'd be any good (most likely not). To scratch the Star Wars itch I'm picking up where I left off in NJO... about 3/4 of the way through Vector Prime  .
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Jul 3, 2013 22:09
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Drone posted:I'm playing through Kotor 2 for the very first time and I'm kindof in love with it. Are there any EU books that are set during that time period, or at least "a long time before the prequel movies"? I have a feeling if there is anything, it's only recent stuff, and no idea if it'd be any good (most likely not). I wholly approve of the knights of the old republic comic run. It was only 50 issues and trades are out now.
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Jul 3, 2013 22:51
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Drone posted:I'm playing through Kotor 2 for the very first time and I'm kindof in love with it. Are there any EU books that are set during that time period, or at least "a long time before the prequel movies"? I have a feeling if there is anything, it's only recent stuff, and no idea if it'd be any good (most likely not). There's all the tie-in material they did for The Old Republic, which is... atrocious. Just really really terrible. If you really hate yourself, you can see how badly they gently caress the Exile in the Revan novel. But yeah, the KoTOR comics are pretty good.
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Drone posted:I'm playing through Kotor 2 for the very first time and I'm kindof in love with it. Are there any EU books that are set during that time period, or at least "a long time before the prequel movies"? I have a feeling if there is anything, it's only recent stuff, and no idea if it'd be any good (most likely not). When you are finished, download the Restoration Mod to see the stuff they had to cut before release!
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Drone posted:I'm playing through Kotor 2 for the very first time and I'm kindof in love with it. Are there any EU books that are set during that time period, or at least "a long time before the prequel movies"? I have a feeling if there is anything, it's only recent stuff, and no idea if it'd be any good (most likely not). I guess there's the Tales Of the Jedi comics, which have been collected in omnibus editions by Dark Horse. They're hardly stellar but they're okay for what they are. (Please note that this may be my nostalgia talking)
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Jul 4, 2013 00:04
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Once you've played Kotor 2.... nothing ever seems quite right in Star Wars again. It really does kind of kill the black and white morality the series was based off of, at least for me. Sure, blowing up a planet is always evil, but who gets the blame for Peragus? Who's responsible for the war? The atrocities? Who's responsible for the tyrant's rise? Who could have stopped them? KotoR2 is, in my opinion, the best and last word on Star Wars that needs to be said.
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Jul 4, 2013 00:51
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KotOR 2 is wonderful and I'm still upset with LucasArts for bumping up the deadline from "four months to go" to "get it out the door in three weeks." And then they didn't even let them do more than one patch, with bugfixes only.
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Jul 4, 2013 03:01
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SeanBeansShako posted:When you are finished, download the Restoration Mod to see the stuff they had to cut before release! That's the version I'm playing already  It feels SO goddamn refreshing to have some Star Wars that doesn't view the world through this terrible black-and-white lens. It's like Star Wars has finally loving grown up.... and now we're back to bug orgies and really dumb yearly Sith plots to take over the galaxy because omgsoevil.
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Jul 4, 2013 11:24
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I had a lot more fun with the Restoration Mod, word of advice though: Stock the hell up for HK-47 and his own secret robot planet arc. You solo that and do a lot of fighting.
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I used to follow Team Gizka and it seemed like it was never going to be ready, didn't realize it was out. Where did I put those discs now.
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Cru Jones posted:I used to follow Team Gizka and it seemed like it was never going to be ready, didn't realize it was out. Where did I put those discs now. It isn't Team Gizka. They crashed and burned like all badly led gaming modding groups. I think some sane people took over and I got it off Mod DB.
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Drone posted:I'm playing through Kotor 2 for the very first time and I'm kindof in love with it. Are there any EU books that are set during that time period, or at least "a long time before the prequel movies"? I have a feeling if there is anything, it's only recent stuff, and no idea if it'd be any good (most likely not). He hasn't done anything set in the KOTOR timeframe but if you like KOTOR 2's take on Star Wars probably the closest author to that frame of mind you'll find is Matt Stover. I think he's only done four books but they're all great.
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Jul 4, 2013 18:11
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cptn_dr posted:There's all the tie-in material they did for The Old Republic, which is... atrocious. Just really really terrible. If you really hate yourself, you can see how badly they gently caress the Exile in the Revan novel. But yeah, the KoTOR comics are pretty good.
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Jul 4, 2013 18:31
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How terrible is all of this post-NJO stuff I'm seeing on Wookieepedia? Some of it looks interesting on the surface (Imperial Knights), but a lot of it just looks... well, really awful.
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Jul 4, 2013 18:34
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SeanBeansShako posted:I had a lot more fun with the Restoration Mod, word of advice though: Stock the hell up for HK-47 and his own secret robot planet arc. You solo that and do a lot of fighting.
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Jul 4, 2013 18:49
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Drone posted:How terrible is all of this post-NJO stuff I'm seeing on Wookieepedia? Some of it looks interesting on the surface (Imperial Knights), but a lot of it just looks... well, really awful. Skip Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi, they're awful, and if you're going to try it go straight to the Legacy comics. The comics arebasically a darker version of the premise of the original trilogy; the Jedi are hunted, there's a princess on the run from the Sith emperor, two Jedi are trying to meet up with her, and a crew of criminals get drawn into things. In this case the captain of said crew is Cade Skywalker, one of Luke's few surviving descendants, an ex-pirate and bounty hunter with a a substance abuse issue stemming from his attempts to shut out his sense of the force, along with visitations from a certain Tatooine hick ancestral force-ghost. Personally I really like the Legacy Comics, and they just started a new one that I haven't had a chance to look at since I read the trades rather than try to get monthly issues. Essentially all you need to know about LOTF and FOTJ is that the Galactic Alliance was way worse than the New Republic, the Jedi finally decided on an arms length approach to the Alliance, and Jaina wound up marrying Jag Fel and probably founded her own order in Imperial space, which basically gives you the origin story of the Imperial knights.
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Drone posted:How terrible is all of this post-NJO stuff I'm seeing on Wookieepedia? Some of it looks interesting on the surface (Imperial Knights), but a lot of it just looks... well, really awful. A lot of it can be summed of as "cool ideas swimming in a morass of mediocrity". Legacy of the Force has a 2nd Galactic Civil War and Jacen Solo falling to the dark side. Problem is, thy couldn't keep Jacen's character consistent, so he oscillates wildly between mustache twirling cartoon villain, for-the-greater-good lawful evil, and utterly-bugnuts-insane between books. Fate of the Jedi has Luke in exile, a fight against an ancient force villain, and the Jedi being persecuted on Coruscant. Less wacky character shifts, but there are some dropped plot lines and shoehorned Clone Wars TV Show references. The Legacy comics are some drat good Star Wars though. Great art, great story, drug-addicted and pirate Cade Skywalker. It's good, read it.
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The post-NJO books are all absolutely terrible. Seriously, they're offensively bad, and I mean that, I was offended that the authors and editors all thought they were suitable for any person to read, let alone people who are fans of their own franchise. But I also liked the Legacy comics, so just jump right into those. It basically ignores everything that happens after NJO anyway - I think there's literally one issue of Legacy that makes a reference to the LOTF books, and everything you need to know is in the issue itself.
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WhyteRyce posted:Just skip straight to Alston's books Amen.
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The further apart from the PT-OT timeline, the better. Dark Horse's Legacy and KOTOR comics are both fantastic, KOTOR especially. It's almost as if not being held back by decades of canon and editorial mandates from people like Lucas is beneficial to storytelling! 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The further apart from the PT-OT timeline, the better. Dark Horse's Legacy and KOTOR comics are both fantastic, KOTOR especially. It's almost as if not being held back by decades of canon and editorial mandates from people like Lucas is beneficial to storytelling! Yeah, KOTOR and Legacy were two of the better Star Wars comics in a long, long time. They got good critical reception and sold well (for Star Wars comics), also. Which is why it was so strange that Dark Horse hosed both of the series over by forcing them to end at issue 50. I think it's more obvious with KOTOR (the first 2/3 of the comic is a long storyline, then there are a few issues of where another big storyline is being setup only for it to come to a crashing conclusion in the last few chapters) but it really irritates me. The same with Agent of the Empire being cancelled after only two storylines. As much as I like KOTOR and Legacy, Agent was probably the most fun I've had from a Star Wars product since the KOTOR games.
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Chairman Capone posted:The same with Agent of the Empire being cancelled after only two storylines. What?! I hadn't heard, I only read it in trades. 
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Yeah, it was announced a month or two ago. I was really bummed about it, too.
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Taken all around, the comics have been better than nearly everything else in the EU since Episode I came out. Since Episode I, we've seen Republic, Dark Times, Empire, Rebellion, Legacy, Star Wars Tales, the Boba Fett, Darth Maul and Jango Fett miniseries and many more. (I'm not sure about Invasion or Dawn Of the Jedi, though, since I've not read either of them)
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Metal Loaf posted:Star Wars Tales These are the only Star Wars comics I've ever read. I went to Celebration II in Indianapolis back in 2002 and bought a trade paperback collection of Star Wars Tales stuff at the Dark Horse booth. They were really great, but I never bothered to go to a comic store and pick up any more of them. Now I live in Germany and I've never even seen a comic book store here 
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Jul 5, 2013 11:48
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Stop it you guys. You're making me want to check into Star Wars comics again.
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Jul 5, 2013 18:16
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Finished X-Wing Bacta Wars. Good stuff, I see why Wedge might be one of the best written EU characters and I can see arguments for Corran being one of the worst written characters. I want more Wedge, less Corran.
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Metal Loaf posted:(I'm not sure about Invasion or Dawn Of the Jedi, though, since I've not read either of them) Dawn of the Jedi is decent, but it's not Ostrander's best by a long shot. I think my biggest problem is that the ancient "Jedi" are way too close to the Jedi Order we see in the prequels. I was hoping for something radically different, but it's basically already all there. Also, the second storyline was a bit slow, though the end of the latest story arc gives me hope the next one is going to be pretty good. And I a number of the characters already stand out, so that's also a plus. I suppose it's still better than most other EU stuff now, but it's definitely a step below Ostrander's gems (Republic, Legacy, Agent of the Empire). Invasion however was just terrible. Whatever you thought about NJO, it took the worst aspects from it and none of the good stuff, and then ramped it up. Also almost all of the main characters are completely unlikeable and act in ridiculously selfish, stupid, and/or illogically aggressive ways, especially the main female character who comes off like a really bad Buffy ripoff. And it didn't even really mesh with the NJO, either. The series ended with a cliffhanger which a lot of people didn't like, but since the cliffhanger completely was at odds with the NJO story I'm fine with it just being left behind and forgotten.
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Chairman Capone posted:Dawn of the Jedi is decent, but it's not Ostrander's best by a long shot. I think my biggest problem is that the ancient "Jedi" are way too close to the Jedi Order we see in the prequels. I was hoping for something radically different, but it's basically already all there. Interesting. Something I liked about TOTJ was how the the Jedi were noticeably different from the movies and actually looked like it was set four or five thousand years before the films (in contrast to KOTOR, which in fairness needed to maintain the movie aesthetic to attract casual fans). I didn't mention Knight Errant either, though it's another one I haven't read. Nonetheless, the premise certainly sounds interesting; for one thing, it's set in a period of EU history that's not commonly visited, about three thousand years after KOTOR but shortly before Jedi vs Sith and the Darth Bane novels. Speaking of Jedi vs Sith, that's got to be one of the most bizarre comics they've ever published, am I right?
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Thwomp posted:Stop it you guys. You're making me want to check into Star Wars comics again. There's so much good stuff out in Trade or Omnibus form that its pretty cost effective to do so at this point. And there's some good stuff out there.
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Conquistador posted:What is this trade stuff in relation to comics? I don't know what that means Trade paperbacks (or TPBs) are just the collected versions of the individual comics. For example, the Jango Fett four-issue miniseries Open Seasons was collected and published as a single trade under that name. Similarly, Dark Horse publishes omnibus editions which compile several trades into a single volume; there are two for TOTJ, for example, the first of which collects The Golden Age Of the Sith, The Fall Of the Sith Empire and the original Tales Of the Jedi series, while the second includes The Freedon Nadd Uprising, Dark Lords Of the Sith, The Sith War and Redemption. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jul 5, 2013 |
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I caved and started Legacy. There were some little things I wasn't a huge fan of at the beginning, but I'm actually growing to quite like it. It's Star Wars, but dark and new and fresh. Goddamn the way it portrays Sith is annoying as gently caress though. When did evil necessitate just throwing a bunch of spikes on poo poo and coloring it as red as possible?
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Srice posted:It could certainly be worse, spikes all over an outfit is a lot better than being covered with lightsabers for one  You were saying?
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What the gently caress blasphemy is that.
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Drone posted:What the gently caress blasphemy is that. Triclops the secret illegitimate son of the emperor who is going to rebuild the empire. He specialises in moustache twirlingly evil schemes he's not really the emperors son that's some other three eyed guy whose a liberal pansy. The worst part is this guy is canon.
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