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McDeth: Jan 12, 2005

Holy poo poo this patch is looking to be pretty awesome already. The new upgrade system looks pretty sweet, there is a video that somebody made (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cte9iIuvuQs) where they go through some of the different upgrades of the planes. Its pretty sweet looking since it looks like you can actually get stats on performance for different weapons loadouts in realtime.

Also, the 190 is getting its rockets

# ? Aug 1, 2013 19:27

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Eltoasto: Aug 26, 2002; We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.

German/Russian planes will get the upgrade options to stack on more cannons, meanwhile my merican planes will get an extra 50 cal or two

# ? Aug 1, 2013 19:30

McDeth: Jan 12, 2005

drat, this is shaping up to be a pretty serious patch...

"drat Russians posted:

Update 1.33 brings us one step closer to the release and adds some really important gameplay changes, that will provide players with more freedom to choose how they want their aircraft tuned and prepare it to attain wide variety of combat tasks. The most important changes to be introduced in 1.33 are consumables and new modification system. Modification system basically means that a player will be repairing his war-beaten aircaft.

We bring new elements that will give an opportunity to tune your aircraft to get the desired results. As it is known during WWII new pilot in the Squadron did not receive new plane when he joined but most likely he would get a worn craft. While flying his steel bird a pilot and his fellow mechanic adopted the plane to specific tasks the pilot needed to attain, they replaced and added parts of the craft, tuned armament and customized defenses of a plane. So we are implementing this scenario for War Thunder � the player will be replacing worn parts with new ones, thus his aircraft could reach characteristics of a reference model . Read more details about modification system and consumables in the upcoming Devs Diaries.

New aircraft

USSR
LaGG-3 8
LaGG-3 11
La-5 37
La-5F
Yak-9К
Yak-17

Britain
De Havilland DH.100 Vampire FB.Mk.5.

USA

Grumman F9F-5 Panther
Douglas BTD-1 Destroyer
Lockheed F-80C Shooting Star

(Notice: All new planes except Yak-9К and F9F-5 Panther are in progress of tuning their FM. By the release of 1.33 all FMs will be working. Same applies to USA planes that are already in the game � we hope most of their FM issues will be fixed by the release of 1.33)

Interface

Completely new tab for modifications
Appearing influence of modifications on aircraft performance
Added selection of color for the crosshair and several interchangeable crosshairs (color selection and crosshair selection wil be updated)
with approaching of flutter speed instrumental speed will appear
during display of Speed and altitude, units of measurement have been added
added display of negative influence of externally carried armament

Graphics

New metal shading.
�Cloud quality� option will affect the quality of their reflections in the water as well
Cloud render in 3d mode is fixed
Disappearing of the propeller is fixed
Grass render and whole rendering is made faster

Gameplay

Lots of new modifications for different planes. Almost all the modifications are upgrades for the planes, replacing old, worn parts with new ones �.. Some modifications are different, but they are the minority of what is planned (lendlease fuel, rear armor plate replacement).

New modifications added that will allow to install gun and rocket pods

New approach to modifications' and armamament's research

Crew that took part in the battle are now blocked in the game for five minutes after quitting the battle. (or until the battle ends if it ends earlier). That will prevent players from leaving the battle.
Players can now buy camos and decals with Golden Eagles (without achieving the needed requirements for unlock)
Shell racks are now consumables and should be replenished.
Ammo, rockets, torpedoes and bombs are spent after they are used in battle, not after the battle is over.
Weapons won't reload if there are no more purchased shell racks left. (except for �default� shell racks � they are free and unlimited but not that efficient)
When hitting with no damage � player won't receive rewards, but will get the message that no damage was done
If your premium is over, after the battle is over in a debriefing window you will have an opportunity to buy premium for a week and thus get all the rewards you should receive if you were playing with premium.
You have an opportunity to buy modifications with golden eagles.
Healing speed Skill is replaced with weapon maintenance skill
Rockets for German and American planes added.
No air kills will be awarded in case of air collisions.

Economy

Aircraft Purchase Price lowered by 30%
modification purchase price lowered
Cost of the repair now depends on the installed modifications (Cost of repair of un-modified planes will be even lower, by 10-20%)
Reduction of repair cost of un-modified planes by about 10%
Experience requirements for unlocking new modules have been lowered
Repair Cost of Aircraft tier 11 to 18, have been lowered even further

FM changes:

MiG-15 bis WEP is fixed
La-5FN and LA7 performance at critical angles is fixed
Plane performance will be negatively affected by cannon pods
All externally carried armament (rockets, bombs, torpedoes and cannon pods) has been adjusted so that they affect aircraft performance more historically correct.

DM changes:
Damage of Mg�s and cannon shells increased, damage caused by the real kinetic energy of a shell is more accurate.
For the planes that have 1st and 2nd pilot DM is changed, so both pilots should be knocked out in order to lose the plane. That applies to:

B-17E
B-17E late
B-17G
B-24D
B-25
YeR-2 ACh30B
G4M1
G5N1
G8N1
PBY-5
PBY-5a
SM-79
А-26С

Flame protection modelling/simulation is added. After a fire outbreak in the engine area, the pilot is not hurt while the fire seal is whole (20 seconds).

Armament

New bomb load options for Ju-87B2, Ju-87R2 , Ju-87D3, Ju-87D5.
New bomb load options for Ju-88A4.
New bomb load options for IL-4 including external load. Overall bomb load can reach up to 2 tons.
Load-out of the �default� shell racks for ShVAK and B-20 cannons is changed to HI-T/AP-I (in 1 to 1 proportion)

USA Browning 12.7 mm Mgs have new shell types, the old ones got their own names:

M1 � incendiary bullet
M23 - incendiary bullet (appeared in 1945, has starting speed of 1000 m/s, incendiary material's weight is 5 g)
M2 � armor piercing bullet
M20 � armor piercing incendiary tracer bullet
M8 � armor piercing incendiary bullet
M1 � tracer bullet

M23 and M20 bullets are available for the aircraft that served during the end of WWII and after.

BR-20 rocket added for German planes

Additional weapons added:

Ruestzustand 1 ( R 1) for Bf .109 F -4 (2 x 20 mm MG .151/20 gun with ammo load of 125 rounds per each gun)
Ruestzustand 6 ( R 6)) for Bf .109 G -2, G -6, G -10 (2 x 20 mm MG .151/20 gun with ammo load of 125 rounds per each gun)
MG.151/20 with 125 rounds ammo load for Fw-190A-5
R�stsatz 3 (R3) for Fw-190F-8 ( 2 x 30-mm MK -103 gun with ammo load of 35 rounds per each gun)
BR20 Rockets for Bf .109 G -6 / W - 2 rails under the wing panels
Ruestzustand 6 (R6) rockets for Fw-190A-5 - 2 rails under the wing panels.

Bug fixes

Penetration issue for 20mm AP-I shells for ShVAK fixed. For 50 m distance it is increased from 20m to 30 mm.
guidance angle for IL-4 turrets fixed
default bomb load for IL-4 is changed from 2x250 kg bombs to 10x100 kg or 10x50
Damage model of TBF-1C fixed. (ailerons durability is increased )

New features

You can select the shell racks for all planes that have defensive/turret armament
For all gun and rocket pods armament (rockets, bombs torpedoes and cannon pods) - their aerodynamic resistance affects performance of the aircraft.
New pilot models are added for the following aircraft:
a-20g
a-26c
b-17e
b-17e_late
b-17g
b_24d
b_25
beaufighter mk21
beaufort mkviii
boomerang mki
boomerang mkii
wirraway
f-86a-5
f9f-5

Maps and missions.

[Domination]
Stalingrad winter: 3rd airfield is added, amount of tickets for both teams is increased
Zhengzhou. 3rd airfield is added, amount of tickets for both teams is increased
Peleliu. Ticket loss speed is reduced if both teams have captured airfields.
Mozdok. Ticket loss speed is reduced if both teams have captured airfields.

Krymsk. Time to capture airfield on this map is the same as for other maps

[Ground strike]
Cliffed coast - spawning points for the teams is changed to improve balance.
Stalingrad - spawning points for the teams is changed to improve balance.

Ground units are now divided into 2 groups � attacking and supporting, The victory comes after destroying the attacking group, support units are not necessary to be destroyed (but it still brings income). That means that �gremlins� will hardly affect the battle � ground units kill each other only on the line of contact.

190 F-8 is getting its Mk103 gun pods :awesome:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 19:48

Tank Boy Ken: Aug 24, 2012; J4G for life; Fallen Rib

quote:

Crew that took part in the battle are now blocked in the game for five minutes after quitting the battle. (or until the battle ends if it ends earlier). That will prevent players from leaving the battle.

Does anyone know if crews are also stuck if they have all been shot down? If one is flying in HB it's not totally fun to have to wait for 5mins/ the match to end until your plane is ready again. Or related to arcade if you lost all Planes and the battle is still raging. Though that didn't happen in a while for me.

Well Mechwarrior Online (another F2P) also added a "Unit locked" mechanism. And consumable which you have to manually rebuy after each round. Seems making your game unfun to use is the new thing.

VVVVV

Tank Boy Ken fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Aug 1, 2013

# ? Aug 1, 2013 19:57

Rhopunzel: Jan 6, 2006; Stroll together, win together

quote:

As it is known during WWII new pilot in the Squadron did not receive new plane when he joined but most likely he would get a worn craft. While flying his steel bird a pilot and his fellow mechanic adopted the plane to specific tasks the pilot needed to attain, they replaced and added parts of the craft, tuned armament and customized defenses of a plane. So we are implementing this scenario for War Thunder �the player will be replacing worn parts with new ones, thus his aircraft could reach characteristics of a reference model . Read more details about modification system and consumables in the upcoming Devs Diaries.

Emphasis mine. I don't like this. At all. It's World of Tanks level grindy bullshit, where a tank isn't competitive at all until you upgrade everything, at which point you're about to move onto the next one. I'm really hoping that isn't going to be the case.

I don't like that ammo racks etc are consumables either. I assumed having to buy them after every battle was a glitch. Even if there's an auto replace, it's bullshit and another step towards WoT level bullshit.

quote:

Crew that took part in the battle are now blocked in the game for five minutes after quitting the battle. (or until the battle ends if it ends earlier). That will prevent players from leaving the battle.

No, no, no, NO. Part of what I love most about this game is if I'm having a loving terrible round I can just exit, forget it existed and start another round. I don't loving know why they're insisting on doing bullshit like this.

Is taking a great game and turning it into bullshit a Russian developer thing or something? :sigh:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 19:57

Megaman's Jockstrap: Jul 16, 2000; What a horrible thread to have a post.

I liked this game because I didn't have to grind planes for historical battles. These changes make me...nervous.

I also don't like having to sit in a Historical battle after I died. I'm dead. Please let me leave.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:00

Generation Internet: Jan 18, 2009; Where angels and generals fear to tread.

I'm not sure if I like those grinding WoT changesm either, but at least this

quote:

For the planes that have 1st and 2nd pilot DM is changed, so both pilots should be knocked out in order to lose the plane. That applies to:

B-17E
B-17E late
B-17G
B-24D
B-25

Is nice

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:14

az: Dec 2, 2005

The USSR definitely needed six new planes before the other nations get filled in.

edit: Hurr shell racks are now consumables, good god.

az fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Aug 1, 2013

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:23

The Droid: Jun 11, 2012

I dunno, from the looks of it the upgrades won't be that expensive, and it isn't like WoT where you have to spend xp before you can even begin to spend money. Call my optimistic. V :v:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:24

Fender: Oct 9, 2000; Mechanical Bunny Rabbits!; Dinosaur Gum

Eltoasto posted:

Personally I would play around a bit until you decide on the nation that suits you best, then get a package that gives you a premium plane in that country. It's what I wish I had done! Each nation plays a bit different overall.

This. I bought a fancy Japanese plane and I don't like playing it. I ended up being drawn more towards the German and Russian fighters.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:25

Opinionated: May 29, 2002

Man I hope you guys are right and this isn't World of Tanks type grind. As others have repeated, that's part of why I like this game. WoT's grind was just too much, even though I made it to Tier 10 almost twice, spending a bunch of time just to make the vehicle/aircraft optimal is frustrating.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:28

ughhhh: Oct 17, 2012

quote:

No air kills will be awarded in case of air collisions.

How could they let this happen...

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:31

Hammerstein: May 6, 2005; YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !

McDeth posted:

The devs has said that the hit models for the tanks are going to be even more detailed than the ones for planes. Taking into account things like armor angle, spalling, etc.

So in other words,

This will be so awesome and I look forward to the day when I log into WoT for the last time because a better game has finally arrived to scratch my tanks spot.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:34

Rhopunzel: Jan 6, 2006; Stroll together, win together

Opinionated posted:

Man I hope you guys are right and this isn't World of Tanks type grind. As others have repeated, that's part of why I like this game. WoT's grind was just too much, even though I made it to Tier 10 almost twice, spending a bunch of time just to make the vehicle/aircraft optimal is frustrating.

I never even got to Tier 10, I gave up and got really disillusioned when I realised I was having the most fun in stupid little newbie tanks that I felt ridiculous in. At least with WT most of the fun is equal from tier1-10 which have planes that you don't feel loving stupid in.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:37

Anita Dickinme: Jan 24, 2013; Grimey Drawer

ughhhh posted:

How could they let this happen...

Maybe this'll infuriate people even more when you ram them.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:37

Hammerstein: May 6, 2005; YOU DON'T KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT RACING !

With the new US planes I can finally live my reenactment of:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:38

Nissir: Apr 23, 2007; Man with no Title

I might hav totaly missed this fact, but is this game live or in beta still?

# ? Aug 1, 2013 20:44

Keket: Apr 18, 2009; Mhmm

I think (hope) the crew cool down is if you quit before all your planes are dead, which I can kinda agree with, also a lot of those changes have me a little worried, 30% reduction to plane costs now though!

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:10

Artless Meat: Apr 7, 2008

Nissir posted:

I might hav totaly missed this fact, but is this game live or in beta still?

Technically still beta, but they've said they're won't be any wipes.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:10

Sultan Tarquin: Jul 29, 2007; and what kind of world would it be? HUH?!

Didn't think the devs could gently caress the game up even more than they already did. Then I saw they literally added a WoT style upgrade tree. How long till they put in hitler eagle upgrades?

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:14

Godlessdonut: Sep 13, 2005

Sultan Tarquin posted:

Didn't think the devs could gently caress the game up even more than they already did. Then I saw they literally added a WoT style upgrade tree. How long till they put in hitler eagle upgrades?

McDeth posted:

drat Russians posted:
You have an opportunity to buy modifications with golden eagles.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:24

Dryer Lint: May 17, 2010; Biggest most lovable jerk on the internet.

Did anyone ever find a fix for the wobbly planes in Historical bug?

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:30

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Reloading belts better be automatic and cost about nothing. I really really hope you can only pay eagles to get things early rather than pay for exclusive mods.

One of the top selling points is that pay to win is not currently a thing.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:43

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

You just have to ease into the controls to avoid getting that wobble. If you just turn the camera around and let the instructor try to fly for you it will flop about at high altitudes.

Rockets on German planes... :getin:

Quit crying about free games you fools.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 21:43

McDeth: Jan 12, 2005

Thief posted:

Quit crying about free games you fools.

But my fun!
:negative:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:15

Eltoasto: Aug 26, 2002; We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.

28 minutes of fuel on that Vampire, it looks really really nice.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:22

McDeth: Jan 12, 2005

Eltoasto posted:

28 minutes of fuel on that Vampire, it looks really really nice.

Apparently it currently has the FM of the Mig-15.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:25

Zaodai: May 23, 2009; Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.

So they're going all World of Tanks on this bitch. The gently caress. Crew lockouts, upgrade trees, shell racks being loving consumables.

You have a fun game! The solution isn't to go full Russian game dev on it. :argh:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:35

Eltoasto: Aug 26, 2002; We come spinning out of nothingness, scattering stars like dust.

There's no gold ammo!

(yet)

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:41

jownzy: Apr 20, 2012; I love Rainbow Moon.

It is the deepest game ever. Nothing compares to its epic story.

Anyone see the screen shot of the 109 F4 getting the 3x20mm cannon attachment. Why is there even a need to play higher tiers? It has since been taken down.

Also aren't we already paying for weapon and ammo reloads?

Been in the airports all day have had plenty to follow and read.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:47

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

For 300 gold, you can mount an aim-9x or two on your airplane.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:48

Generation Internet: Jan 18, 2009; Where angels and generals fear to tread.

For 1000 you get a Genie

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:51

Hughmoris: Apr 21, 2007; Let's go to the abyss!

Why does Japan get zero love in this patch?

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:55

Max Manus: Oct 25, 2004; Saboteur par excellence.; Nap Ghost

Hughmoris posted:

Why does Japan get zero love in this patch?

If they don't nerf the Ki-45's that is at least something.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 22:56

Artless Meat: Apr 7, 2008

Hughmoris posted:

Why does Japan get zero love in this patch?

Because the game was lacking in LaGG-3s and La-5s.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 23:18

Rhopunzel: Jan 6, 2006; Stroll together, win together

Oh my god the loving rage when you come across the rare pubbie who thinks they're so loving clever for learning how to mouse spazz when you're on their tail. It makes me want to just crash into them and type "Spaz your way out of that" :fuckoff:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 23:22

Zaodai: May 23, 2009; Death before dishonor?
Your terms are accepted.

Rhopunzel posted:

Oh my god the loving rage when you come across the rare pubbie who thinks they're so loving clever for learning how to mouse spazz when you're on their tail. It makes me want to just crash into them and type "Spaz your way out of that"

I had a guy rage at me because I flew up next to him and used my wings to roll him over like a buzz bomb when he was doing that. He nose dived right into the ground, I took some wing damage and kept on trucking. :toot:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 23:31

Razzled: Feb 3, 2011; MY HARLEY IS COOL

I just got my first accusation of hacking from a pubbie

I wish I had gotten screencaps of it, because it branched off into really weird territory. Guy started talking about me buying "UFO hacks" and "enjoy your banned account, i caught you on live video"

Pubbie Cbuff, it's not hacks when your airacobra stays in front of the guns of a hungry IL-2

# ? Aug 1, 2013 23:43

Artless Meat: Apr 7, 2008

I had a foggy match on gorge earlier. It was probably the most intense game I've had so far. I wish it popped up more often now.

# ? Aug 1, 2013 23:45

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# ? May 14, 2024 09:24

HexagonalSun: Mar 2, 2013; NUKE THE SWISS

You can select the shell racks for all planes that have defensive/turret armament.

H6K just got a lot more fun :getin:

# ? Aug 1, 2013 23:56

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