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darealkooky posted:I am much happier then I should be that otacon is now buff and gets all the ladies without making them die in tragic ways. How do you know they're not dying in tragic ways? Maybe girlfriend death is just so common around the Emmerich household that eventually Sunny just got accustomed to it and treats it like a breakup.
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YeOldeButchere posted:
Please, Lord, let this be MGR2. Raiden's sword is discovered to be merely a tool of Justice as he's deceived and used by a wily Supreme Court justice.
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Neruz posted:In relation to people who agree with Armstrong; do they not realise that we tried that? Indeed large parts of the world are still trying that and they are all universally loving horrible places to live. I believe that's why the game had the former Libyan child soldier reply with "The gently caress is wrong with you?!"
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Sep 7, 2013 05:43
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I believe that's why the game had the former Libyan child soldier reply with "The gently caress is wrong with you?!" Liberian! Which is closer to Libertarian actually, in spelling.
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Sep 7, 2013 06:04
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Neruz posted:In relation to people who agree with Armstrong; do they not realise that we tried that? Indeed large parts of the world are still trying that and they are all universally loving horrible places to live. People with money don't have empathy for people without, this is nearly universal. Armstrong is a rich dude from rich family with invincibility-granting nanomachines and could kill anybody in the world with his bare hands and do anything he wanted and nobody could stop him. Aside from the nanomachines, there's plenty of people in the real world like that. The reason so many people think like that is by virtue of the fact that a large percentage of Americans are still clinging to the idea that they can be like that too and all it takes is hard work and ingenuity and whatever-the-gently caress-else that tired propaganda poo poo talks about, so they're totally in favor of this kind of thing. It's just stupid people voting against their own interests, like always.
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Sep 7, 2013 06:05
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Chip Cheezum posted:There is a sword fight in this update. What makes it better is that the Armstrong was trying to white ant the entire US.
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Sep 7, 2013 06:33
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ChairMaster posted:People with money don't have empathy for people without, this is nearly universal. Armstrong is a rich dude from rich family with invincibility-granting nanomachines and could kill anybody in the world with his bare hands and do anything he wanted and nobody could stop him. Aside from the nanomachines, there's plenty of people in the real world like that. Or, put another way: Armstrong is a prime example of the just-world fallacy.
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Sep 7, 2013 06:41
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Geop posted:I'd vote for him!  It's funny how that single frame of Armstrong smiling is used for everything Armstrong related. It's also at this very moment when this game actually goes from just being a "Raiden Spin Off game" to a full on "Metal Gear" game. It's like a beautiful crescendo that builds up and up through this fight and then it drops beautifully. Rynex fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Sep 7, 2013 07:16
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Raiden having a sword fight with Metal Gear Excelsor's own sword was pretty much the greatest thing ever.
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Sep 7, 2013 07:22
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Neruz posted:In relation to people who agree with Armstrong; do they not realise that we tried that? Indeed large parts of the world are still trying that and they are all universally loving horrible places to live. You know how a lot of people like to fantasize about the zombie apocalypse? Or, like, the Mad Max style collapse of civilization with plate-armored sports cars and sawn-off shotguns and stuff? That's because most of those people envision themselves as being badass survivors living a life of excitement and adventure free of society's stifling rules and constraints instead of being "third skull from the left on the bottom row of the skull pyramid" or "half-starved wretch suffering from scurvy and dysentery." So the truthful answer is that they don't actually want to live in a world that's actually like that because for almost all of them it would be a miserable and harrowing existence punctuated by a horrible death, but they love the fantasy of it.
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Sep 7, 2013 07:23
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I love the end of this game because the Armstrong/Excelsus fight is like a heartfelt parody of every other Metal Gear endboss, down to the stages of the fight, the camera direction used, and the big hammy mixed up monologues about politics and fighting. And it really exemplifies why I love Revengeance so: it establishes a world where the most reasonable course of action, the best of all possible outcomes, is for Raiden the conspiracy-groomed child soldier to plug into his hot-rodded lightning-themed cyborg body and cut everything apart with a sword (which he learned how to use partially because he had a mission where he was forced to duel an ex-president to the death in the middle of New York City near a destroyed Metal Gear, and partially because he loves Lone Wolf and Cub movies). Raiden, the literally sadomasochistic cyberpunk soldier that invented the cyborg-breakdancing school of swordsmanship, is the straightforward voice of reason in this. He is totally going out for samosas with his coworkers and dog-shaped-robot-buddy after he duels another political figure to the death near the wreckage of a Metal Gear, and he realizes how ridiculous it is.
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Sep 7, 2013 07:42
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TwoPair posted:How do you know they're not dying in tragic ways? Maybe girlfriend death is just so common around the Emmerich household that eventually Sunny just got accustomed to it and treats it like a breakup. Actually, inferring from what Sunny says, it's highly likely that Otacon deliberately does not commit to any woman now because of the fact that every time he becomes emotionally close to a woman, a horrific tragedy is the result, usually involving the death of said woman. Hence why he is now a ladies' man who just does one night stands. He's getting laid and saving lives at the same time.
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Kai Tave posted:You know how a lot of people like to fantasize about the zombie apocalypse? Or, like, the Mad Max style collapse of civilization with plate-armored sports cars and sawn-off shotguns and stuff? That's because most of those people envision themselves as being badass survivors living a life of excitement and adventure free of society's stifling rules and constraints instead of being "third skull from the left on the bottom row of the skull pyramid" or "half-starved wretch suffering from scurvy and dysentery." But they must surely realise that it is just that; a complete fantasy that is in no way reflective of reality? Right? Right?
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QuetzaDrake posted:Actually, inferring from what Sunny says, it's highly likely that Otacon deliberately does not commit to any woman now because of the fact that every time he becomes emotionally close to a woman, a horrific tragedy is the result, usually involving the death of said woman. Hence why he is now a ladies' man who just does one night stands. A true American hero.
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Neruz posted:But they must surely realise that it is just that; a complete fantasy that is in no way reflective of reality? Right? Right? For some people, there's video games. For others...well.... Okay, so nanomachine reactive armor I get, Armstrong's body is like a colloid, the harder you squeeze it the harder it gets, but what the heck is the deal with the wires popping out of Metal Gear when he powered up?
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Neruz posted:But they must surely realise that it is just that; a complete fantasy that is in no way reflective of reality? Right? Right? What other viewpoint do they have? Every time that sort of narrative comes up, the only real person involved is Awesome McBadass. There's no other role model. There's a reason for that, but it's hard for people to picture that kind of world without immediately drifting to the stories they know. That's the only meme they have.
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Speedball posted:Okay, so nanomachine reactive armor I get, Armstrong's body is like a colloid, the harder you squeeze it the harder it gets, but what the heck is the deal with the wires popping out of Metal Gear when he powered up? This isn't really mentioned in the game itself but for Armstrong to actually activate his nano-hulk powers he needs to suck up a ton of power from other things.
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Sep 7, 2013 07:53
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Speedball posted:For some people, there's video games. For others...well.... In the codecs Doktor suggests that the senator might be a body of 'nanomachine clay' basically a big amorphous blob of nanomachines. I don't think that's actually true, but I'm guessing that the nanomachines used the power from Metal Gear to rapidly reproduce and create a sort of nanomachine clay armour out of his skin which is why he got fat.
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Speedball posted:For some people, there's video games. For others...well.... Did you ever see Crank 2? It's basically like that only with nanomachines.
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Sep 7, 2013 07:55
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Chip Cheezum posted:This isn't really mentioned in the game itself but for Armstrong to actually activate his nano-hulk powers he needs to suck up a ton of power from other things. Sounds like Armstrong and Volgin would make a good tag team.
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Sep 7, 2013 08:00
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Genocyber posted:Sounds like Armstrong and Volgin would make a good tag team. Now I want to see a picture of Volgin and Armstrong striking homoerotic poses while Volgin powers up Armstrong.
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Sep 7, 2013 08:01
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Neruz posted:Now I want to see a picture of Volgin and Armstrong striking homoerotic poses while Volgin powers up Armstrong. No, they just do the fusion dance.
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Sep 7, 2013 08:02
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He's not the Hulk, he's very clearly Colossus. 
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He's a cyborg but not a traditional one who uses whole machinery to replace body parts. Instead he's like the Dentons from Deus Ex, albeit a massively overpowered version of them. Nanomachines that provide certain various benefits on command, then revert his body to normal. It's probably for the same reason the Dentons were developed, too: this way he can disguise his enhancements and pretend to be a completely normal guy to most others. He mentions how he used to be in the Navy. If you remember MGS2, the Arsenal project was a Navy project, too. I wonder if he was in on that at all.
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Speedball posted:He mentions how he used to be in the Navy. If you remember MGS2, the Arsenal project was a Navy project, too. I wonder if he was in on that at all. Quite probably; the ovbious military applications for his form of cybridization make it highly likely it was developed by one of the military branches and the Navy has proven to be up to that sort of poo poo in the past so you may well be on to something there.
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I've been following this LP for a while, enjoying the brand of crazy action and crazy story on display, but not really considering getting it myself. I'd suck too much at it, and like Bayonetta, I'd probably rage-quit after a certain point because I would fail to grasp the mechanics well enough to play the game well. But from this most recent update and how people are hyping its conclusion, I'm thinking of grabbing a copy just so I can support the degree of awesome on display, and to put on my shelf of other Metal Gear games I'm putting off playing myself.
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Sep 7, 2013 08:39
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Neruz posted:Now I want to see a picture of Volgin and Armstrong striking homoerotic poses while Volgin powers up Armstrong. All I can picture is something like this.
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icesoldier posted:I've been following this LP for a while, enjoying the brand of crazy action and crazy story on display, but not really considering getting it myself. I'd suck too much at it, and like Bayonetta, I'd probably rage-quit after a certain point because I would fail to grasp the mechanics well enough to play the game well. It's honestly not that difficult of a game. It's not EASY either, but it's no DMC3 when it comes to difficulty. It's a very nice balance of challenge and badassery.
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Another dumb thing a lot of people have pointed it out that I find amusing is the fact that Armstrong's lifebar just says "Senator", no names or anything. I don't know why, but it feels pretty reminiscent of the simple boss lifebars way back on the NES.
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Sep 7, 2013 09:41
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Maybe his first name really is Senator. No, not the name he gives to the press, I mean his true first name.
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Jesus Christ on a giant insectoid robot, I hated this boss fight too. Watching Chip just wreck poo poo up with Sundowner's weapon made me feel extra dumb, since it took me ages and ages of frustration to get that far. In the fight I also apparently forgot how to press cross and circle simultaneously, since I kept dying to the slow-rear end swords. And then, when I ran out of nanopaste, the game showed pity and dropped me those two Geckos which - as Chip kindly pointed out - are a pain in the rear end to zandatsu, especially when there's a Metal Gear shooting lasers at you. And then the camera kept loving me over, and then I started getting mad at how you can actually dodge through the horizontal sword swings because that looks so dumb, and then I was so mad controllers were thrown. After a couple of weeks of cooling down, I finally restarted on an easier difficulty. And then I hosed up the QTEs in the sword fight and  Oh, and for the record, Collective Consciousness has nothing on Stains of Time.
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So could anyone tell me what Armstrong's plan actually is, in more practical terms? I don't really get that big crazy person speech about ending war as a business by toppling America and purging the weak. What?
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It's basically a Libertarian masturbatory fantasy. Down with big government, up with personal empowerment! gently caress you dad, I can do what I want! Only the strongest and smartest will rise to the top (also I am rich and possess superpowers which will allow me to do so effortlessly but that has nothing to do with anything, anybody could bootstrap themselves into being rich and superpowered if they worked hard enough and if they can't then they deserve to be crushed by my nanomachine-powered Hulk arms)! Pretty much anything he says about "restoring America" or "ending war as a business" or whatever is essentially just self-serving rhetoric and bullshit, he's just a dude who wants to knock over the block-castle and be king of the Lego pile. Raiden's right, he really is just basically a bugfuck crazy rear end in a top hat who just so happens to be rich enough and nanomachines enough to actually make his Strong Empowered Master Of My Own Destiny fantasies come true rather than posting meandering essays on Tumblr.
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Adrastus posted:So could anyone tell me what Armstrong's plan actually is, in more practical terms? I don't really get that big crazy person speech about ending war as a business by toppling America and purging the weak. What? 1. Spark a new war on terror. 2. Use the war to get elected as President. 3. Aggressively pursue a "better America" through all sorts of crazy policies. His plan is to get into power, destroy everything, and rebuild from the ashes. It's the classic "only the strong will survive" thing.
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Sep 7, 2013 12:31
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Between this and the Monsoon fight this is now my favourite fighting game, holy poo poo.
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Sep 7, 2013 13:47
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Basically what Armstrong is advocating is total anarchy where the strong rule by virtue of being strong. He's suggesting we go back to one of the various tribal and feudal models of society that europe grew out of in the last few centuries. Or, in laymans terms: Screw the law I have nanomachines!
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YeOldeButchere posted:...now I want one of the Metal Gear games to feature a US supreme court justice as a villain.
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