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YeOldeButchere posted:...now I want one of the Metal Gear games to feature a US supreme court justice as a villain.
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Neruz posted:Basically what Armstrong is advocating is total anarchy where the strong rule by virtue of being strong. He's suggesting we go back to one of the various tribal and feudal models of society that europe grew out of in the last few centuries. Not really. Methinks he still wants a government, just pared down to the max. Standard Libertarian fare, nothing of the ancap sort. Ancap thought is actually conducive to war economy, something he seems to be against. Unless he's more 'the only moral war economy is my war economy.'
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Sep 7, 2013 14:30
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Not really. I'm pretty sure that in Armstrong's world anyone should be allowed to just go and take what they want by force because that's what it means to be truely free.
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Sep 7, 2013 14:57
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I absolutely love the story and gameplay fusion in that fight. Rather than just tell you how invincible Armstrong is, they give you control of Raiden, let you go completely batshit on the senator with everything you have... and his lifebar barely moves. It's perfect.
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Sep 7, 2013 15:52
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Neruz posted:I'm pretty sure that in Armstrong's world anyone should be allowed to just go and take what they want by force because that's what it means to be truely free. Anarchism in general is actually a bit different from what you seem to imply. The non-agression principle in particular just seems to go against everything Armstrong apparently enjoys (like punching people in the face until they give up). The lyrics to his song lead me to believe that he is just talking about social darwinism but I think the real answer is that Armstrong has lost his mind. I mean, if even Raiden doesn't understand him, who will?
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Sep 7, 2013 16:12
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Yeah, I know a fair few non-crazy anarchists and pretty much all of them would consider Armstrong to be a lunatic. Anarchy means 'without rulers', not 'without order'; a society where might makes right is more-or-less antithetical to anarchism because if someone is using force to take what they want and keep their peons in line, they are setting themselves up as a de facto ruler. Anarchist thought tends to hold that society does not need authority figures, not that it does not need laws, cooperation, or civil order. And Armstrong here is the ULTIMATE 'authority figure.' He's using his vast personal wealth, collection of overpowered toys, his privately-owned armies, and manipulation of popular media to attempt to take control of the government so he can then strip away the POSITIVE benefits government gives the people in favor of instituting a might-makes-right feudalist pyramid that will almost assuredly have him at the top. That's EXTREMELY not anarchism, it's just bogstandard chickenshit objectivist claptrap.
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Sep 7, 2013 16:25
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He wants to be President of the United States so that he can become King of Sparta.
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Sep 7, 2013 16:33
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So, Armstrong injected himself to the gills with nanomachines, or he cyborged himself so hard that he is just a nanomachine blob shaped like a man? I suppose he could be wearing a big blob of nanomachines, but then his entire face does that "Turn Blue-Black" thing when it hits something, so either he can't breathe right now or its entirely possible to kill him by targeting his nostrils, since the nano wouldn't cover that particular area in order to allow airflow. If Raiden kills Armstrong by nose-stabbing him, I...won't know how to feel about that at all.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:01
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legoman727 posted:I absolutely love the story and gameplay fusion in that fight. Rather than just tell you how invincible Armstrong is, they give you control of Raiden, let you go completely batshit on the senator with everything you have... and his lifebar barely moves. It's perfect. During that sequence the Godhand music kinda kicked on in my head. "You're not Alexander!" *punches thru Metal Gear*
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Sep 7, 2013 18:01
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Veyrall posted:So, Armstrong injected himself to the gills with nanomachines, or he cyborged himself so hard that he is just a nanomachine blob shaped like a man? I suppose he could be wearing a big blob of nanomachines, but then his entire face does that "Turn Blue-Black" thing when it hits something, so either he can't breathe right now or its entirely possible to kill him by targeting his nostrils, since the nano wouldn't cover that particular area in order to allow airflow. We also never see him nano-up his entire body, I wonder if it's possible to kill him by attacking multiple areas simultaneously. If there's a limit on how much of him it can harden at once.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:04
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Speedball posted:We also never see him nano-up his entire body, I wonder if it's possible to kill him by attacking multiple areas simultaneously. If there's a limit on how much of him it can harden at once. There isn't, he can do his whole body at once if he wants to.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:10
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Zuzie posted:This is heading straight into Metal Wolf Chaos territory. You say that but is it anywhere near bad? nope Talking on the fight itself, I actually went through the fight with the suit on making some of Armstrong's speeches a bit more hilarious.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:11
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Veyrall posted:So, Armstrong injected himself to the gills with nanomachines, or he cyborged himself so hard that he is just a nanomachine blob shaped like a man? I suppose he could be wearing a big blob of nanomachines, but then his entire face does that "Turn Blue-Black" thing when it hits something, so either he can't breathe right now or its entirely possible to kill him by targeting his nostrils, since the nano wouldn't cover that particular area in order to allow airflow. The codec calls when you initially fight Armstrong have your team speculating on this alongside going "WHAT THE HELL IS EVEN HAPPENING" Doktor speculates that he's basically got an entire nanomachine colony inside of him, just a huge block of the things that near-instantaneously swarm across and harden various parts of his body as needed.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:11
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InfinityComplex posted:You say that but is it anywhere near bad?
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Sep 7, 2013 18:15
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So turning part of yourself black to hit/get hit harder is a thing in well-known anime One Piece.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:23
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Veyrall posted:So, Armstrong injected himself to the gills with nanomachines, or he cyborged himself so hard that he is just a nanomachine blob shaped like a man? I suppose he could be wearing a big blob of nanomachines, but then his entire face does that "Turn Blue-Black" thing when it hits something, so either he can't breathe right now or its entirely possible to kill him by targeting his nostrils, since the nano wouldn't cover that particular area in order to allow airflow. The former. And he only changes black when he hits something because his body only changes in reaction to physical pain, then changes back when he's not being harmed. So when he headbutts Raiden, only his head changes. When he punches the bottom of Excelsus, only his fist changes. Presumably, his whole body could change at once, but that would require Raiden to find a way to harm Armstrong's entire body at the same time. Naturally, now that I've said that, I realize that this will of course happen next update and I cannot wait.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:25
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Rigged Death Trap posted:So turning part of yourself black to hit/get hit harder is a thing in well-known anime One Piece. Isn't there also a woman with multiple arms, and a guy who can break into pieces?
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Sep 7, 2013 18:28
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Ekusukariba posted:Isn't there also a woman with multiple arms, and a guy who can break into pieces? Can spawn multiple arms off any thing, yes, and yes. But Buggy-Monsoon  That is something I'd like to see.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:36
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Agent Interrobang posted:Yeah, I know a fair few non-crazy anarchists and pretty much all of them would consider Armstrong to be a lunatic. Anarchy means 'without rulers', not 'without order'; a society where might makes right is more-or-less antithetical to anarchism because if someone is using force to take what they want and keep their peons in line, they are setting themselves up as a de facto ruler. Anarchist thought tends to hold that society does not need authority figures, not that it does not need laws, cooperation, or civil order. I'm glad someone else jumped in because it was getting circlejerky for a bit. Armstrong's plan is 1)Start war 2)??? 3)End all war. He doesn't want you to be a slave to the government but he's going to use the government to force everyone... to do something? He'll figure out it as he goes because he knows he's so awesome. And in terms of MGS, the fact that they fleshed that character flaw out but didn't give us an infodump on the manufacturer and impurities percentage of the silver spoon they put in Armstrong's mouth when he was born is amazing. It doesn't matter what exactly drove him here, because there's nothing Raiden can do to convince him that Armstrong, nano-Senator, can't fix all the world's problems with his Randian superpowers. DeusExMachinima fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Sep 7, 2013 18:39
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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The key is, when a guy like Armstrong says he wants freedom, he implicitly means freedom for someone with his power and circumstances to gently caress up whoever he wants and take whatever he wants. No libertarian has ever imagined themselves to be one of the shivering masses huddled and dying as a 'parasite' any more than anyone has ever fantasized about an apocalypse where they die in the first few minutes.
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Sep 7, 2013 18:44
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legoman727 posted:I absolutely love the story and gameplay fusion in that fight. Rather than just tell you how invincible Armstrong is, they give you control of Raiden, let you go completely batshit on the senator with everything you have... and his lifebar barely moves. It's perfect. That's one thing that I loved about this too. And the thing that really sold it was that the lifebar did move. Just 0.1% at a time but it did. Now this is still just a glorified cutscene/QTE (Don't get me wrong, it's still incredibly awseome) but that little detail really made it
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Sep 7, 2013 18:47
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On the harder difficulties you actually get a game over if he reduces you to 0.1% health before you do enough damage to him, instead of the next cutscene. This turns the swordless fight into one of the hardest parts of the entire game. Sindai fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Sep 7, 2013 18:57
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Can spawn multiple arms off any thing, yes, and yes. Also a "normal" guy who is so good with swords he can stand up to these superpowered freaks. I can't think of a Sundowner parallel right off hand, though.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:02
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Sorry you're not normal if you fight with a sword in your mouth and are strong enough to throw buildings.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:05
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Golden_Zucchini posted:Also a "normal" guy who is so good with swords he can stand up to these superpowered freaks. I can't think of a Sundowner parallel right off hand, though. Don Krieg, maybe. Lots of gimmicky weapons and heavy armor to account for the fact that he's not actually a particularly good fighter. In any case, I think of Greed from FMA more than Luffy with Armstrong.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:08
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Golden_Zucchini posted:Also a "normal" guy who is so good with swords he can stand up to these superpowered freaks. I can't think of a Sundowner parallel right off hand, though. There's a guy that can cut people to (still living) pieces and take out their hearts, too. And there's a guy that does use giant scissors, but... well, he's not really like Sundowner.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:09
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Rigged Death Trap posted:So turning part of yourself black to hit/get hit harder is a thing in well-known anime One Piece. It's also in FMA and I'm pretty sure I've seen it in other mediums (can't think of any specifics). It seems to be a fairly standard way of showing hardness. RatHat posted:Sorry you're not normal if you fight with a sword in your mouth and are strong enough to throw buildings. That's pretty normal by OP standards. Also this thread is now a One Piece thread somehow.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:So turning part of yourself black to hit/get hit harder is a thing in well-known anime One Piece. Raiden is going to become King of the Cyborgs with his nakama, Dog Shaped Robot Buddy.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:16
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Yeah, it's also in FMA and FMA:B, used by Greed. There's also a guy named Armstrong in FMA, who is as muscular and ridiculously over the top as the Senator. Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Sep 7, 2013 |
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Sep 7, 2013 19:25
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I wish the Senator would sparkle like the FMA Armstrongs do.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:29
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Guys, just because Otacon's not here doesn't mean you have to fill the gap talking about his animes.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:31
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TwoPair posted:Guys, just because Otacon's not here doesn't mean you have to fill the gap talking about his animes. These animes have very few robots, I'm afraid.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:32
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I'm curious, what does Armstrong sound like in the Japanese version? I don't think they could even get close to how crazy he sound in the English version.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:36
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I'm reasonably sure that it's a reference to some old peice of Chinese folklore about a guy who could turn his body into bronze.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:37
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Genocyber posted:It's also in FMA and I'm pretty sure I've seen it in other mediums (can't think of any specifics). It seems to be a fairly standard way of showing hardness. The association's probably been around as long as there's been metalworking, if not longer depending on local geology.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:41
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Going back a couple of chapters.... As a former night watchman I take exception to the dude in the guard shack reading porny moe manga. While it's true that we need something to keep us awake and alert while on duty it's considered to be more professional-looking to have a book or something, and any real guard is also good at whipping that poo poo out of sight on a half-second's notice before anyone even gets close enough to see it. For example, a DS you could just instantly fold up and shove in your jacket pocket.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:42
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Speedball posted:Going back a couple of chapters.... Remember that this guard's boss was raised by Otacon. It would not surprise me if the place has a mandatory minimum level of anime for all employees.
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Sep 7, 2013 19:43
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macfam posted:I'm curious, what does Armstrong sound like in the Japanese version? I don't think they could even get close to how crazy he sound in the English version. Oh he does.
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I only just thought of this, but how exactly did Wolf end up in his injured state anyway? Did Armstrong just show up, punch him once or twice, then took an elevator who knows how many floors underground to board Excelsus, only to bust out of the ground and give his speech/es? I'm wondering if there's anyway Snake could take down Excelsus, but I kinda doubt he could do it unless he showed up with the Kung-fu enhanced Rex again.
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