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Raizor posted:I really truly hope there's nobody actually out there who eventually managed to clear VR mission 18 without getting first place. That would just be too much. I guess if you somehow managed to get good enough at parrying to be able to straight up hold your own against those kinds of enemies for that long without taking a single hit while also not being quite good enough to be able to reliably get the necessary parry counters to get through the first few waves quickly and thus instead be forced to just use regular attacks. But, man, it's gotta be harder to get that many regular parries in a row than it is to get like five perfects to do it normally. Basically, VR #18 is to perfect parrying as Blade Wolf is to parrying. (It also teaches you how to take out two Mastiffs (and several dwarf gekko) with one parry. Now that's satisfying.)
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Neruz posted:"If you're looking for a humanoid blender that shares more in common with a natural disaster than a man then we have so got you covered. Raiden get over here we need you to carve a path of death and destruction across some poor hapless country." "You want a guy who doesn't want to kill the innocent? We have your man!" "He saved our lives!" *group of cyborg kids* "You want someone who won't hesitate to kill the poo poo out of the enemy without flinching? We have your man!" *RAIDEN THE HUMAN BLENDER* "They're even the same man! It's economical!"
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See, that would actually be really loving useful in real life. Something that is tremendously dangerous that doesn't also cause tremendous collateral damage is pretty much a dream scenario for most militaries. No human rights fuss, no insurgents left alive, a lot of budget left over for booze and hookers.
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Sep 20, 2013 10:57
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Veyrall posted:See, that would actually be really loving useful in real life. Something that is tremendously dangerous that doesn't also cause tremendous collateral damage is pretty much a dream scenario for most militaries. No human rights fuss, no insurgents left alive, a lot of budget left over for booze and hookers. There's a reason why everyone keeps trying to make more Snakes.
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Sep 20, 2013 11:02
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Veyrall posted:See, that would actually be really loving useful in real life. Something that is tremendously dangerous that doesn't also cause tremendous collateral damage is pretty much a dream scenario for most militaries. No human rights fuss, no insurgents left alive, a lot of budget left over for booze and hookers. That's all well and good, but god help you if Raiden finds out that you're doing something he finds evil on the side, cause he'll definitely come chop your poo poo up regardless of what city or country you're in and who you've got protecting you.
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Sep 20, 2013 11:16
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Veyrall posted:a lot of budget left over for booze and hookers. I imagine maintaining a cyborg body of Raiden's caliber would probably cost about as much as a functioning military unit, if not more. So probably not.
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Sep 20, 2013 11:19
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I doubt it. He has less hardware than any of the Winds of Destruction, being mostly just a human-form body cranked to 11,000 and using a bitchin' sword. Desperado was able to maintain at least three cyborgs with equivalent or greater hardware, and have enough money left over for a multitude of regular cyborgs, UGs, etc. Now, there could be an argument for... Dear god, I'm arguing the economic ramifications of dealing with a cyborg like Raiden.  Is it like this in the other Metal Gear threads?
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Sep 20, 2013 12:21
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No, just the internet at large.
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Veyrall posted:See, that would actually be really loving useful in real life. Something that is tremendously dangerous that doesn't also cause tremendous collateral damage is pretty much a dream scenario for most militaries. No human rights fuss, no insurgents left alive, a lot of budget left over for booze and hookers. Civilian casualties might be pretty low, but structural damage was pretty high in almost all of the game. Granted that wasn't always Raiden's fault, but he was complicit in quite a bit of it.
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Sep 20, 2013 13:24
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Cleretic posted:Civilian casualties might be pretty low, but structural damage was pretty high in almost all of the game. The World Marshall building was almost 100% World Marshall shooting at it's own HQ. The Refinery was a crazy dude pushing a button. The facility where George and the others were stored didn't actually suffer much in the way of structural damage. Denver, unless you went out of your way to cut stuff up, there's one footbridge you have to knock down to get at a GRAD. At the US military base in Pakistan, the damage was caused by Excelsus, a machine designed to cause as much collateral damage as possible. All told he's got a pretty good track record.
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Sep 20, 2013 13:41
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apostateCourier posted:All told he's got a pretty good track record. Except that one time at the very beginning of the game in African Nation where he gets out of the car and slices a whole bunch of buildings to pieces for literally no reason.
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Sep 20, 2013 15:08
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Fedule posted:Except that one time at the very beginning of the game in African Nation where he gets out of the car and slices a whole bunch of buildings to pieces for literally no reason. That's how you save a Prime Minister, duh. 
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apostateCourier posted:All told he's got a pretty good track record. Circumstances aside, he's still 1 for 3 in keeping presidents alive  Edit: maybe 1 for 4 if you count N'mani, lol
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Sep 20, 2013 15:47
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N'mani was a Prime Minister, doesn't count.
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He's about as good at saving world leaders as Otacon is at saving women. Sunny should think twice about entering politics.
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Thinking on it a little bit, MGS main characters are pretty lovely at protecting VIPs. Peace Walker is the only game I can think of where someone you needed to protect didn't end up getting killed in front of you. Unless you count Rocket Peace or Chico's dad. List I came up with starting with mgs1: MGS1: Darpa Chief/Baker MGS2: Emma, the president MGS3: Sokolov MGS4: Eva MGR:R: PM N'mani I don't remember MG1 and 2 enough to list those. beep by grandpa fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Sep 20, 2013 |
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Fedule posted:Except that one time at the very beginning of the game in African Nation where he gets out of the car and slices a whole bunch of buildings to pieces for literally no reason. Oh, right, forgot about the prologue. Yeah, he goofed pretty badly there, it's not like he couldn't have stopped those three cyborgs without creating a barricade behind him. Still, in terms of damage he's personally responsible for, the total is fairly reasonable considering what he was up against.
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beep by grandpa posted:Thinking on it a little bit, mgs main characters are pretty lovely at protecting VIPs. Peace Walker is the only game I can think of where someone you needed to protect didn't ended up getting killed in front of you. Unless you count Rocket Peace. MG1 doesn't have anyone, I think, but Kio Marv, the man who Snake was supposed to rescue in MG2, ended up getting killed before Snake could reach him. Also, I thought Sokolov survived for Portable Ops?
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Sokolov survives because The Boss helped him escape. But Naked Snake still got him shot in the knees by Volgin.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Sokolov survives because The Boss helped him escape. But Naked Snake still got him shot in the knees by Volgin. I recall Sokolov gets killed by Volgin when the screen's still black during the torture scene. You don't see it but you hear it.
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beep by grandpa posted:I recall Sokolov gets killed by Volgin when the screen's still black during the torture scene. You don't see it but you hear it. Fake death pill.
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I cannot wait for the DLC vids. Assuming whoever ports it to PC does a good job, I'll definitely be picking it up, entirely because of this LP.
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apostateCourier posted:Oh, right, forgot about the prologue. Yeah, he goofed pretty badly there, it's not like he couldn't have stopped those three cyborgs without creating a barricade behind him. Still, in terms of damage he's personally responsible for, the total is fairly reasonable considering what he was up against. It was a pretty conservative move. In case Raiden doesn't take on everyone like a super ninja should, the PM still has a headstart (not that it mattered, thanks Sundowner!). srb posted:N'mani was a Prime Minister, doesn't count. Prime Minister of Africa! 
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Has anyone had a problem with left-hand-guys not having their IDs on them? I've got all of them except Dwight, who everyone tells me is on the stairs before you reach Monsoon, but I've just played through that area like three times and he's not there. Well, he's there, but he doesn't have a left hand ID for me to grab. Advice?
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beep by grandpa posted:I recall Sokolov gets killed by Volgin when the screen's still black during the torture scene. You don't see it but you hear it.
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VagueRant posted:Not sure if I need spoilers for Portable Ops, but - he was retconned back to life. (Then died anyway, I think.) Nope! Nope. That's stupid. Nope.
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bhlaab posted:Nope! Nope. That's stupid. Nope. And now you know why Peace Walker basically shoved Portable Ops out of the continuity.
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They've been doing that since MSX days though. The first boss in MG2 is a guy who clearly died in MG1, and he offers an explanation for his survival that kinda makes sense in the moment but doesn't at all in the context of his death in the first game. Metal Gear!!
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bhlaab posted:Nope! Nope. That's stupid. Nope. But he made Space Metal Gear. That's got to count for something.
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I can't believe you guys are discussing characters that have died and inexplicably come back in Metal Gear and nobody has mentioned Liquid Ocelot. Sure that got 'explained', eventually, but the MG series has a long history of shenanegins regarding death.
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bhlaab posted:Nope! Nope. That's stupid. Nope. Pretty much a summary of Portable Ops.
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Neruz posted:I can't believe you guys are discussing characters that have died and inexplicably come back in Metal Gear and nobody has mentioned Liquid Ocelot. Sure that got 'explained', eventually, but the MG series has a long history of shenanegins regarding death. Dr. Madnar, anyone? Throwaway line in MGS4, yes, but not an ounce of explanation or retconning beyond not mentioning him after that one line.
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QuetzaDrake posted:Dr. Madnar, anyone? Throwaway line in MGS4, yes, but not an ounce of explanation or retconning beyond not mentioning him after that one line. Didn't he get blown up by RC missiles? He must have the same HMO as Big Boss.
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Neruz posted:I can't believe you guys are discussing characters that have died and inexplicably come back in Metal Gear and nobody has mentioned Liquid Ocelot. Sure that got 'explained', eventually, but the MG series has a long history of shenanegins regarding death. "But I live on through this arm!" "Liquid's arm!?!" Yeah, that's still one of my favorite moments, as crazy as it was. I'm disappointed they retconned it, they should've just let it stand.
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Patter Song posted:"But I live on through this arm!" Pretty much. I actually found it easier to accept 'magic talking arm' than accepting... whatever the gently caress goof-rear end explanation MGS4 had.
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Agent Interrobang posted:Pretty much. I actually found it easier to accept 'magic talking arm' than accepting... whatever the gently caress goof-rear end explanation MGS4 had. NANOMACHINES SON
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They didn't, he was possessed but then he wasn't anymore so he decided to fake it to further his own goals. That's why Cam Clarke didn't come back for MGS4. Also Ocelot's just that kind of guy. I sincerly hope that they find a was to retcon his death for Rising 2. We need that kind of crazy in a villain.
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Neruz posted:NANOMACHINES SON Hypnotism, actually. The self-trick. The trickiest of tricks. Man, the word "trick" kind of starts to lose it's meaning when you're talking about Ocelot. Like when you say a word over and over to yourself.
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^  You tricked me!David D. Davidson posted:They didn't, he was possessed but then he wasn't anymore so he decided to fake it to further his own goals. That's why Cam Clarke didn't come back for MGS4. Also Ocelot's just that kind of guy. I sincerly hope that they find a was to retcon his death for Rising 2. We need that kind of crazy in a villain. Actually Ocelot had the arm removed because being possessed was kind of a nuisance and got a robot arm in its place, but then he decided being possessed was kind of cool so he hypnotised himself into thinking he was possessed by Liquid.
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Ariong posted:Hypnotism, actually. The self-trick. The trickiest of tricks. I thought it was mentioned that nanomachines were part of the process by which he was hypnotised into thinking he was Liquid.
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