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piss explosion
Apr 2, 2005
I THINK MURDER AND BIGOTRY ARE FUNNY!!

GlassEye-Boy posted:

So true, I still get cravings for them, especially ones drizzled with hot chilly sauce. Really it's one of those things that you either love or hate, but you'll never know until you try.

Yeah, I dunno what type of chou dou fu the other guy was eating but the ones I had on the street in Hunan was probably one of the most loving delicious things I've ever eaten.

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Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

I had it in Hunan too and it was good. In Hunan they say that Hunan is famous for its stinky toufu, yet local people say this so often about anything and everything that I'm hesitant to believe. Good toufu though.

ntan1
Apr 29, 2009

sempai noticed me
You're all wrong. The best stinky tofu is in Taiwan :)

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

ntan1 posted:

You're all wrong. The best stinky tofu is in Taiwan :)

And you can loving keep it there.

whatever7
Jul 26, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The best stinking tofu I have had was in YangZhou.

here:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
The bad news is the Fed (:argh:) isn't slowing quantitative easing like we all thought and I hoped they would.

The good news is the Indonesian maid abusers are going to prison.

The bad news is the central government's liaison office is dicks and says Hong Kongers can't freely nominate candidates for the 2017 universal suffrage chief executive election. They also apparently want to limit the number of candidates. Sounds like 3 is going to be the winning number. 2017 is looking more and more bullshit.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Just read the substandard today. Basically it was

"Beijing official urges public to look forwards - A top Beijing leader has called on Hongkongers to keep looking forward when the SAR will become inseparable from the mainland"

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?we_cat=4&art_id=137747&sid=40417677&con_type=1&d_str=20130919&fc=7

Government ministers can eat a bag of dicks.


caberham fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Sep 19, 2013

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Haha like the Fed gives a poo poo about Hong Kong.

Pro-PRC Laowai
Sep 30, 2004

by toby

caberham posted:

Government ministers can eat a bag of dicks.

They could, but they won't be... no, that bag of dicks is all for you. :)

CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me
What's the connection between QE and Hong Kong and/or China?

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

CIGNX posted:

What's the connection between QE and Hong Kong and/or China?

I think as the US economy picks up, a lot of investment leaves developing markets. Whereas before the Fed was pushing a lot of liquidity and the US economy was bad, a lot of that free money wound up invested in China and India.

Pro-PRC Laowai
Sep 30, 2004

by toby

Vladimir Putin posted:

I think as the US economy picks up, a lot of investment leaves developing markets. Whereas before the Fed was pushing a lot of liquidity and the US economy was bad, a lot of that free money wound up invested in China and India.

Well, close, but not really. There is no "pick up" happening, it's just printing money and handing it over to idiots to play with. The HKD is pegged to the USD. As the USD weakens, the peg's gotta be defended, which means printing more money to buy USD and a weaker HKD. For an economy that relies on imported everything, this means more inflation. China's got a marginal peg, but nothing like what hong kong does.

Any economy that pegs tightly to the USD, when it is being economically suicidal, experiences exported inflation. Seeing as iunno, like over half of all HK trade is done with mainland, it would probably make more sense to peg to the RMB.

Anywho, the quick out for the HKD is to acquire either more USD through trade surplus, or to acquire more forex from a country with a surplus of USD that wants to get rid of it. Effectively, this means opening up more to China.

So that bag of dicks caberham was talking about....

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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There is a pick up happening in the US economy, it's just slow. At the same time, China's growth is slowing. Hong Kong will end up with closer ties to China because of proximity, not because of any economic weakening in the US or economic strengthening of China.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Plus as far as international stuff is concerned, the US economy is strong. It's totally hosed for the working class in the US, but in actual output it's still the biggest economy around. I don't know that the US' policy of gently caress the poor really affects a place like Hong Kong, until the death of the working class collapses the entire economy or something.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Pro-PRC Laowai posted:

Well, close, but not really. There is no "pick up" happening, it's just printing money and handing it over to idiots to play with. The HKD is pegged to the USD. As the USD weakens, the peg's gotta be defended, which means printing more money to buy USD and a weaker HKD. For an economy that relies on imported everything, this means more inflation. China's got a marginal peg, but nothing like what hong kong does.

Any economy that pegs tightly to the USD, when it is being economically suicidal, experiences exported inflation. Seeing as iunno, like over half of all HK trade is done with mainland, it would probably make more sense to peg to the RMB.

Anywho, the quick out for the HKD is to acquire either more USD through trade surplus, or to acquire more forex from a country with a surplus of USD that wants to get rid of it. Effectively, this means opening up more to China.

So that bag of dicks caberham was talking about....

Like everything in Hong Kong, I'm not sure what macroeconomic things are actually happening and what's just hysteria. In the US massive expansion of the money supply has not lead to inflation above 3%, although this hasn't stopped people from predicting that it would with total confidence for the last five years running. I'm not sure how much QE has actually affected the HKD, and I suspect that a lot of doomsayers in Hong Kong aren't sure either because five years of wrongness sure as hell haven't stopped doomsayers in the US. It depends on how the peg works technically, and I really really doubt that the HKD is pegged to US M2 or M3 numbers instead of the international money markets.

If HK is really upset about the weak dollar policy it can a) go gently caress itself because the peg is not our problem and b) blame the Bush era weak dollar policy because that's when it started. I really doubt quantitative easing has had the effect that the capitalist ubermenschen of Hong Kong's pet ideology tells them it should have. If quantitative easing were tied directly to the international dollar value and the HK peg you would have expected the USD and HKD to have cratered to 1/3 their 2008 value which hasn't happened at all.

Not dissing on HK's actual people here but your government worships the super-rich and governments with that outlook tend to have a similar set of wrong ideas about how the world works no matter where they are. That includes strongly anti-inflation economic theories because guess who loses the most from inflation? The super-rich. Funny how economic ideologies line up that way.

If I had to guess, I would say the real driver of inflation in Hong Kong is mainland demand and the lack of a functioning exchange market between HKD and RMB. You don't drive up demand for your domestic market by god knows how much and keep your exchange rate with this ravenous foreign market demand equal. You can't do it without causing inflation because price spiral, only it's really nasty because there's no wage spiral because we don't need domestic demanders. Is this what you're experiencing in HK, prices going up up up but no wage increases? No, you're probably having wages fall because again, the mainland. Right? What HK really needs is to float the HKD and make RMB holders buy it on a real market, which I guarantee will create a strong HKD in minutes flat.

So what's this rabble-rabble about the US? Well when you are administrating two regions and one is so clearly losing out from the macroeconomic policy you've chosen, it helps to have a bad guy. Look! The US is doing something confusing with its money supply and issuing lots of dollars! And our money is pegged to theirs for reasons let's not examine right now! They're causing all the drat inflation! It's certainly not our fault, and it's certainly not an intentional macroeconomic policy in which the mainland wins and Hong Kong loses!

Sorry for the sarcasm but blaming the US for Hong Kong's inflation problems is stupid on multiple levels.

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Sep 20, 2013

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Holy poo poo, No Xilai got life? I didn't see that coming.

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

ReindeerF posted:

Holy poo poo, No Xilai got life? I didn't see that coming.
Show trials are a hell of a thing.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Y-Hat posted:

Show trials are a hell of a thing.
It'll be interesting to see what he actually serves.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Life sentence, chance to appeal, possibility of release in 10-15 years for good behavior. It's all in the fine print, the life sentence is just to make a statement.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Right, so, basically he won't serve any time - or very little, if any. I assume given his network that he still has enough juice to keep other bigwigs on their toes. I mean it seems impossible that someone that high up wouldn't have compiled a favor chain and a dossier on every other powerful person in the party.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
'Suspended death sentence,' which is what Gu Kailai got, is the real life imprisonment in China.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Ah really? Okay, interesting. Is Bo Guagua under any threat if he returns to China?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

ReindeerF posted:

I assume given his network that he still has enough juice to keep other bigwigs on their toes. I mean it seems impossible that someone that high up wouldn't have compiled a favor chain and a dossier on every other powerful person in the party.

No, I think he'll serve the 10-15 years everyone expected him to, the life sentence is just a message and a sort of bargaining position that could help to keep him in jail for the 10 year sentence. Prominent elements of his network (read: people) are being publicly destroyed to get others to abandon them; listen to the latest Sinica!

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
I did, I did - I always do. It was very interesting. I had some info about that world from a completely unrelated source as well. I just found it fascinating that they even bothered to throw the book at him. The opinion expressed on Sinica sounded like they thought he wasn't contrite enough for Chinese standards in such a situation, using his trial to sway public opinion with his charisma, so I guess they were hinting at the idea that the party might take a hard line with him. Looks like they were spot on.

I did find that whole debate interesting about how he was a really bad guy who used his power to rob from the local rich down in Chengdu. It really felt a lot like when Thaksin was tossed out here. "Oh, okay, this corrupt fucker has pissed off the other corrupt fuckers, so now we have to pretend he's demonstrably worse and that we don't like him."

\/\/\/ I'm not sure his editorial / statement helped, heh.

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Sep 23, 2013

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

ReindeerF posted:

Ah really? Okay, interesting. Is Bo Guagua under any threat if he returns to China?

Unlikely, but most China-watchers think he's doing this like fifth degree or whatever at Columbia as a way of lying low until the heat dies down back in the old country.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Bloodnose posted:

'Suspended death sentence,' which is what Gu Kailai got, is the real life imprisonment in China.

Didn't she (get drugged up and) cooperate with the prosecution? That's hosed up.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR
Not the best thread to ask but not sure where else I may be able to find out. Want to buy the mother in law some books before she goes back to Shanghai. She used to speak Russian but "that knowledge has gone back to the teacher". I was thinking of getting her a Chinese translation of my favorite Russian novel Dr. Zhivago. I'm also going to buy her a copy of the novel in Russian as well.

Any ideas?

TheBalor
Jun 18, 2001

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Not the best thread to ask but not sure where else I may be able to find out. Want to buy the mother in law some books before she goes back to Shanghai. She used to speak Russian but "that knowledge has gone back to the teacher". I was thinking of getting her a Chinese translation of my favorite Russian novel Dr. Zhivago. I'm also going to buy her a copy of the novel in Russian as well.

Any ideas?

Have you tried the China thread in Tourism and Travel?

hitension
Feb 14, 2005


Hey guys, I learned Chinese so that I can write shame in another language
^e: this person has listed the correct thread I think

Uh... what? Is your mother in law Chinese? This information was not provided. I think that kind of post is more appropriate for the LAN thread but I avoid reading that thread for a reason so eh. A book for someone in Chinese with 0 other information? There's like a million books in Chinese. Get her the translation of Jobs' life story or whatever, seems to be what Chinese people like anyway.

Zuhzuhzombie!!
Apr 17, 2008
FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

TheBalor posted:

Have you tried the China thread in Tourism and Travel?

Thanks.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

ReindeerF posted:

I did find that whole debate interesting about how he was a really bad guy who used his power to rob from the local rich down in Chengdu. It really felt a lot like when Thaksin was tossed out here. "Oh, okay, this corrupt fucker has pissed off the other corrupt fuckers, so now we have to pretend he's demonstrably worse and that we don't like him."

Chongqing, and yeah, a lot of what you hear from random people is that he's corrupt and he did a lot of good things for the people in Chongqing, which is one better than the average official. Really what he did was use his power base as a personal fiefdom (not that uncommon?) but started infringing on central government privileges. As always things are opaque but apparently him wiretapping the central government offices in Chongqing was the last straw, but they only found out about it through the Wang Lijun fiasco.

Other than that the case against him really does degenerate into politics though. He was too personally popular, represented a frightening return to leftist mass movement-ism for the corrupt and unpopular rightist establishment, had a strong powerbase in municipal government and state owned industry, and was poised to succeed his patron on the politburo standing committee as head of the internal security services. And his father and Xi Jinping's father were enemies. Bo Xilai may have been a petty tyrant that enriched himself, trampled human rights, squashed the press and ignored the rule of law whenever it suited him, but those things are par for the course for leaders in modern China. I think the prospect of Bo Xilai presiding over the internal security services in a time of leadership transition was too frightening for the other leaders, especially in light of his cavalier use of the Chongqing police as his personal thugs.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUIkUhdccYU
Again: :goatsecx:

I wonder if the government even bothers to read the comments they get from these consultations, or if they get any at all. Hong Kong has two government-funded tech parks at Cyberport (yeah it's really called that) and Ma Liu Shui, both of which suck. How many of you have heard of a Hong Kong tech company? After the government has been funding this poo poo for a decade? The only one that ever got any headlines is Pencake, and that's for being even more Facebook-spammy than Zynga.

A friend of mine from the mainland was considering working for this company the Ma Liu Shui tech park. The website is absolutely loving hilarious and I advise everyone to look at it, but anyway here's their product:



I guess I shouldn't poo poo on them too much because at least they're coming up with something somewhat new, even if it is retarded. Most of these companies taking government money are just worthless app developers who won't ever achieve the government's vision of a Hong Kong Silicon Valley.

gret
Dec 12, 2005

goggle-eyed freak


Jeoh posted:

Didn't she (get drugged up and) cooperate with the prosecution? That's hosed up.

Well she was convicted of murder.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Are you aware of what he's talking about? Gu Kailai appeared in court seriously overweight (previously slim) only after what, three months in detention? And then behaved strangely and certainly out of character for the headstrong woman people remember her as. There was a lot of speculation that they fed her mind-altering drugs like SSRIs that can cause weight gain and compliance.

I would dismiss it as a rumor but the weight gain and personality change was very marked. Of course we'll never know the truth.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Yeah that was really creepy. I mean I find it entirely plausible that she flipped out when her tightly controlled world wobbled out of control, but she really looked bizarre. You can imagine a scenario in which a bunch of bonehead officials tried to "help" her and it all went very wrong.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
I can also imagine a scenario where they wanted a certain outcome and got it.

ReindeerF
Apr 20, 2002

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro
Yeah, I didn't think the China thread needed the obvious posted, but good on you for clearing that up, heh.

\/\/\/ See, now I had to look poo poo up!

ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Sep 24, 2013

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Alright, off to the shuanggui with you...

GuestBob
Nov 27, 2005

Arglebargle III posted:

I would dismiss it as a rumor but the weight gain and personality change was very marked. Of course we'll never know the truth.

If anyone is qualified to examine the causes and consequences of being fat and having questionable social skills it's goons.

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Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Could be time for Shanghai goons to retire their VPNs.

SCMP posted:

Beijing has made the landmark decision to lift a ban on internet access within the Shanghai Free-trade Zone to foreign websites considered politically sensitive by the Chinese government, including Facebook, Twitter and newspaper website The New York Times.

Government sources informed of the decision told the South China Morning Post on condition of anonymity that the authority in charge of the Hong Kong-like free-trade zone in Shanghai, the first such zone on the mainland, would also welcome bids from foreign telecommunications companies for licences to provide internet services within the new special economic zone.

...

“In order to welcome foreign companies to invest and to let foreigners live and work happily in the free-trade zone, we must think about how we can make them feel like at home. If they can’t get onto Facebook or read The New York Times, they may naturally wonder how special the free-trade zone is compared with the rest of China,” said one of the government sources who declined to be named due to the highly political sensitive nature of the matter.

However Beijing’s decision to open up internet access only applies to the free-trade zone and not anywhere else in the country, the sources said. In late August the State Council, China’s cabinet, approved the launch of the free-trade zone in Shanghai, which will span 28.78 square kilometres in the city’s Pudong New Area, including the Waigaoqiao duty-free zone, Yangshan deepwater port, and the international airport area.

Sounds pretty cool, but I'm not sure when it's supposed to actually happen. I'm more interested in what impact it has on Weibo and Renren, since those popped up like immediately after Twitter and Facebook were blocked respectively.

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