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Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
Get a shelf, that looks perilous.

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I've got several going. I've been meaning to build some hardwood shelves for years but at the rate I'm going I think I might just pay for someone else to do it.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Mr. Squishy posted:

Get a shelf, that looks perilous.
I love a bit of peril.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!
Ugh, my book stacks are getting ridiculous. I have a shelf I could use if I clean it up and one that I could build, but I've been so busy lately I don't have the energy for it. :( Maybe this weekend, I say for the tenth time.

I'll take a picture when I get home. Or maybe not; it's actually embarrassingly messy.

Ceebees
Nov 2, 2011

I'm intentionally being as verbose as possible in negotiations for my own amusement.
Does this count?




Why did you tell me about kindle daily deals, TBB? I don't even care if any of these are bad anymore, because they were all $0.25 - $2.00.

Stravinsky
May 31, 2011

bowmore posted:

Who else has a book stack going on?



Stravinsky fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Oct 5, 2013

WoG
Jul 13, 2004

bowmore posted:

Who else has a book stack going on?



What, for unread books? gently caress no. I shelve them and keep a spreadsheet. I honestly don't think my ceilings are high enough for 'a stack'.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



I used to have a stack for unread books, but I soon realized it looks much better if I shove em in the regular shelf and just let people know that I've read 90-some% of the books on those shelves.

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010


The Mishima photo really makes it.

WASDF
Jul 29, 2011

I picked up At the Mountains of Madness, and I know that this is not news, but holy drat does Lovecraft say absolutely nothing by saying a ton. I'm only 44 pages in and I'm not sure if I can read any more chapters filled with discussion over "desirable flight conditions" and wonders too unimaginable to be conveyed properly. Its a cool story for sure, but I don't know if I have it in me to continue...

Qwo
Sep 27, 2011

WASDF posted:

I picked up At the Mountains of Madness, and I know that this is not news, but holy drat does Lovecraft say absolutely nothing by saying a ton. I'm only 44 pages in and I'm not sure if I can read any more chapters filled with discussion over "desirable flight conditions" and wonders too unimaginable to be conveyed properly. Its a cool story for sure, but I don't know if I have it in me to continue...
Yeah I've tried multiple times to read through his short story collections and I just had to give up every single time. I honestly don't think he's a good writer. His world-building is amazing and admirable, but his reputation is so overblown these days. Nothing he writes is even scary. There's a reason why nobody liked him back then: he's poo poo.

quote:

Cthulhu still lives, too, I suppose, again in that chasm of stone which has shielded him since the sun was young. His accursed city is sunken once more, for the Vigilant sailed over the spot after the April storm; but his ministers on earth still bellow and prance and slay around idol-capped monoliths in lonely places. He must have been trapped by the sinking whilst within his black abyss, or else the world would by now be screaming with fright and frenzy. Who knows the end? What has risen may sink, and what has sunk may rise. Loathsomeness waits and dreams in the deep, and decay spreads over the tottering cities of men. A time will come – but I must not and cannot think! Let me pray that, if I do not survive this manuscript, my executors may put caution before audacity and see that it meets no other eye.
garbage garbage garbage :suicide:

Qwo fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Oct 8, 2013

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009

~ Notice me, Shempai! ~
The Rats in the Walls and The Colour Out of Space are good.

Edit: I never finished At the Mountains of Madness either, and I like Lovecraft. It just drags on and on. But hey, at least we got the show Ancient Aliens out of it on the History Channel :v:

pixelbaron fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Oct 8, 2013

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
I always dug Herbert West : Reanimator myself.

I think Lovecraft is well liked because I think he was the first "big" (i.e. most notable) who had this idea that the cosmos is filled with weird poo poo and gods and other things that are way too horrible for us to conceive of, and it's not the great golden place that is just waiting for humanity to run out there and show em how it's done for God, Jesus and AMERICA and good old fashioned know how.

He has his good points and his bad points, but overall he's got some decent stories.

He was a crazy racist fuckwit in real life, but hell, product of the times. Not that much different than the EVIL MOOSLIM ARAB SONSBITCHES books you find in any airport fiction section nowadays.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!

Qwo posted:

Nothing he writes is even scary.

Back the gently caress up. Off the top of my head: The Rats in the Walls, Pickman's Model, and The Dunwich Horror are terrifying.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty
I'm pretty sure the consensus is already that Lovecraft is a poo poo writer, but he was extremely influential :confused: At this point it'd be much more difficult to argue he was a good writer. And I actually think he kinda was, insofar as the constant use of occupatio/apophasis isn't just a crutch, but at least plays into the themes of cosmic horror/that which is literally incomprehensible and just cannot be processed by a human brain.

Plus there's also the definition of "good writing." Like, in the sense that you could say Dan Brown is a good writer. It sounds crazy, at first, because on the level of the individual sentence, you're thinking, "Oh my god what the gently caress is this poo poo," and maybe on the level of the entire story you're like, "this is dumb," but jeez, let's face it: the guy knows pacing and keeps you turning the page, and if you think you can do better you're an idiot, and should maybe, I dunno, learn some humility.

Mahlertov Cocktail
Mar 1, 2010

I ate your Mahler avatar! Hahahaha!

DirtyRobot posted:

I'm pretty sure the consensus is already that Lovecraft is a poo poo writer, but he was extremely influential :confused: At this point it'd be much more difficult to argue he was a good writer. And I actually think he kinda was, insofar as the constant use of occupatio/apophasis isn't just a crutch, but at least plays into the themes of cosmic horror/that which is literally incomprehensible and just cannot be processed by a human brain.

Then uh I disagree with the consensus? He's obviously and unarguably influential, but if that were all then he wouldn't necessarily have the staying power in public consciousness that he does. Obviously not everything of his is great, but he's written some amazing stories.

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

Mahlertov Cocktail posted:

Then uh I disagree with the consensus? He's obviously and unarguably influential, but if that were all then he wouldn't necessarily have the staying power in public consciousness that he does. Obviously not everything of his is great, but he's written some amazing stories.

Well I'd agree with you. But it seems to me very fashionable right now to say, "Oh, yeah, Lovecraft. He's important and influential because of X, Y, Z, but have you actually read him? Great ideas, but absolutely horrible writer! Ugh!" And I disagree with this because the ideas only come through via the writing.

Flappy Bert
Dec 11, 2011

I have seen the light, and it is a string


What's generally considered to be the canon for American war novels? I can name Catch 22 and A Farewell to Arms, but beyond that I'm a bit stumped.

Flappy Bert fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Oct 9, 2013

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

DerLeo posted:

What's generally considered to be the canon for American war novels? I can name Catch 22 and A Farewell to Arms, but beyond that I'm a bit stumped n

Red Badge of Courage I guess.

Helmacron
Jun 3, 2005

looking down at the world
Slaughterhouse-Five and Chickenhawk.

Also, don't limit yourself and read All Quiet on The Western Front.

Stravinsky
May 31, 2011

DirtyRobot posted:

Well I'd agree with you. But it seems to me very fashionable right now to say, "Oh, yeah, Lovecraft. He's important and influential because of X, Y, Z, but have you actually read him? Great ideas, but absolutely horrible writer! Ugh!" And I disagree with this because the ideas only come through via the writing.

Actually its a very valid opinion though. You can be very influential and get ideas out in a way that people can understand and still be a terrible writer. John Smith (the English colonist in Jamestown) is seen as an influential American author. If you actually read the things he wrote you quickly find that he was in fact a terrible writer.

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009

~ Notice me, Shempai! ~

DerLeo posted:

What's generally considered to be the canon for American war novels? I can name Catch 22 and A Farewell to Arms, but beyond that I'm a bit stumped n

I've been reading a lot of memoirs from the Vietnam War:

A Rumor of War
The Things They Carried
Dispatches
Baptism: A Vietnam Memoir
Matterhorn
Father, Soldier, Son

barkingclam
Jun 20, 2007

DerLeo posted:

What's generally considered to be the canon for American war novels? I can name Catch 22 and A Farewell to Arms, but beyond that I'm a bit stumped n

A few big ones:
  • The Thin Red Line by James Jones
  • The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer
  • From Here to Eternity, also by James Jones
  • MASH by Richard Hooker (really, though, it was WC Heinz ghostwriting for army doctor)
  • The Enormous Room by ee cummings
  • A Fable by William Faulkner, which might be stretching the canon a bit but it's Faulkner
  • Gravity's Rainbow, by Thomas Pynchon (which is probably stretching the canon to the breaking point)

DekeThornton
Sep 2, 2011

Be friends!

Helmacron posted:

Slaughterhouse-Five and Chickenhawk.

Also, don't limit yourself and read All Quiet on The Western Front.

Also read the best novel/biography about WW1, Storm of Steel by Ernst Jünger. Amazing book.

In other news, Alice Munro just gott the Nobel Prize in literature. That's nice, and refreshingly politically uncontroversial, unlike last year.

SavageGentleman
Feb 28, 2010

When she finds love may it always stay true.
This I beg for the second wish I made too.

Fallen Rib
Maybe some one here could assist me with remembering the name of a fantasy short story I once read and now need for a course I'm organizing about fictionary worlds (it might have been from the start of the 20th century):
It starts with a knight on his way to slay a terrible dragon and ends shortly after with him being run over by the 'dragon' - which turns out to be a train. The driver further mentions that this happened before while some people in the neighbourhood were seeing ghostly knights in the area.

Thanks a lot in advance!

SavageGentleman fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Oct 10, 2013

The Grey
Mar 2, 2004

SavageGentleman posted:

Maybe some one here could assist me with remembering the name of a fantasy short story I once read and now need for a course I'm organizing about fictionary worlds (it might have been from the start of the 20th century):
It starts with a knight on his way to slay a terrible dragon and ends shortly after with him being run over by the 'dragon' - which turns out to be a train. The driver further mentions that this happened before while some people in the neighbourhood were seeing ghostly knights in the area.

Thanks a lot in advance!

You know there is a whole thread for questions like this?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2704537

SavageGentleman
Feb 28, 2010

When she finds love may it always stay true.
This I beg for the second wish I made too.

Fallen Rib

The Grey posted:

You know there is a whole thread for questions like this?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2704537

Dang, I'm dumb. Thanks!

barkingclam
Jun 20, 2007
Over at Grantland, there's a neat Q/A session with Don DeLillo. They ran part of Pafko at the Wall, too, which is a fun read if you've never read Underworld.

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010
Would it be smart for me to dive into Bleeding Edge without having read any other Pynchon? I'm thinking about getting it from The Strand when I go on Wednesday.

nefarias bredd
May 4, 2013
I bought a second-hand copy of The Stand a couple of weeks ago and I've only just realised that it's the original, shorter version rather the Complete & Uncut one. Has anyone read both? Is it worth waiting to get the longer version?

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

DerLeo posted:

What's generally considered to be the canon for American war novels? I can name Catch 22 and A Farewell to Arms, but beyond that I'm a bit stumped.

I would Suggest April Morning, based on the Battles of Lexington and Concord and from the point of view of a young minuteman.

pixelbaron posted:

The Things They Carried

I read this in my junior English class in High School.

My interests in fiction are mostly detective pieces (Denis Lehane's Kenzie and Gennaro novels immediately spring to mind), Techno thrillers (Though the vast majority of the authors in this genre have politics I find too conservative), plausible scifi (Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy), and historical fiction (Ken Follet's yet-to-be-completed Century Trilogy)

H.P. Shivcraft
Mar 17, 2008

STAY UNRULY, YOU HEARTLESS MONSTERS!

nefarias bredd posted:

I bought a second-hand copy of The Stand a couple of weeks ago and I've only just realised that it's the original, shorter version rather the Complete & Uncut one. Has anyone read both? Is it worth waiting to get the longer version?

You might wanna swing by the Stephen King thread to get a good spread of opinion on this, but I'd say it'd be worth it to read the original, unedited version just because it's a really solid book no matter the edition. Off the top of my head, there's really only one big subplot you'd end up missing, but other folks in the thread might have more to say on the matter.

Then again, it's not like it's difficult to get the re-edition used, either, if you want to read both for some reason.

PatMarshall
Apr 6, 2009

screenwritersblues posted:

Would it be smart for me to dive into Bleeding Edge without having read any other Pynchon? I'm thinking about getting it from The Strand when I go on Wednesday.

Go ahead, you don't need to have read any Pynchon to enjoy Bleeding Edge. I started with Vineland of all things and I turned out fine.

screenwritersblues
Sep 13, 2010

PatMarshall posted:

Go ahead, you don't need to have read any Pynchon to enjoy Bleeding Edge. I started with Vineland of all things and I turned out fine.

Thank you kind sir. I'm going to get it and dive head first into it on the ride home.

Dr.Caligari
May 5, 2005

"Here's a big, beautiful avatar for someone"
I have been racking my brain all morning, I am trying to think of the name of a book series that was published in the 80's and 90's I believe. It is a western series that has some of the most obscene, descriptive sex scenes I have ever read, I remember hearing the series was popular in prisons for just that reason.. I want to say it was "Strongarm" , but google turns up nothing.

*edit - It's 'Longarm'

Dr.Caligari fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Oct 16, 2013

Flaggy
Jul 6, 2007

Grandpa Cthulu needs his napping chair



Grimey Drawer
Do we have a non fiction thread? Would it be smart to start one if we didn't? I read a ton of non fiction and am always looking for more recommendations.

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
There's a thread for "Essays, long form journalism, and writing about the real world" which would fit the bill.

Qwo
Sep 27, 2011
I saw a really exciting looking book the other day at the bookstore and had to grab it, but when I got home I realized it was the 4th book of a larger series - ugh. Has anyone read The City of Dreaming Books by Walter Moers? Is it at all readable for people who haven't read the other books in the Zamonia series?

Juanito
Jan 20, 2004

I wasn't paying attention
to what you just said.

Can you repeat yourself
in a more interesting way?
Hell Gem

Flaggy posted:

Do we have a non fiction thread? Would it be smart to start one if we didn't? I read a ton of non fiction and am always looking for more recommendations.
There have been a few in the past, they usually die after awhile. I really enjoy them though!

There is a history book thread, http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3458502

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elbow
Jun 7, 2006

Qwo posted:

I saw a really exciting looking book the other day at the bookstore and had to grab it, but when I got home I realized it was the 4th book of a larger series - ugh. Has anyone read The City of Dreaming Books by Walter Moers? Is it at all readable for people who haven't read the other books in the Zamonia series?

Yep, you can read all of these separately, no need to read them in order. I loved The City of Dreaming Books, hope you enjoy it!

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