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Eh as someone who doesn't pay much attention to 'gaming news' I didn't really know what to expect from Spore, or rather I hadn't been waiting for the game for years before it game out. If you were really looking forward to some evolution simulator (reasonable since that's what they told everyone it was) then I can see why you'd be pretty disappointed in Spore. If on the other hand you looked at the game after it came out, and saw: Dr. Mario, Pokemon, Populous, Civ, and then you get a spaceship... well that's pretty much exactly what you got.
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Kilroy posted:If on the other hand you looked at the game after it came out, and saw: Dr. Mario, Pokemon, Populous, Civ, and then you get a spaceship... well that's pretty much exactly what you got. I... what? Spore was nothing like any of these games. Its failure was that every stage was mind-numbingly shallow. If it'd had the depth of Dr. Mario, well, we'd be living in a different world.
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Yeah I thought about sticking a "babby's first" in there somewhere. I agree all the minigames were pretty shallow. If you paid full price for it at release, you've every reason to be 
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Baronjutter posted:I know 3000 is the favourite of many, but I find it the most skippable. Classic is classic, 2000 was a huge leap forward and is full of rad crazy stuff like rewards and arcologies. 3000 was just 2000 with better graphics and a few extra features. 4 is a god drat work of art and another huge leap forward. I played SC2k to death, but I've never been able to get into SC4 that much. For some reason, every time I tried to start a city, the RCI indicators would keep demanding huge areas of industry, even if half the map was filled with farms and factories with just a few blocks of housing and commercial spread among it.
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Kilroy posted:Eh as someone who doesn't pay much attention to 'gaming news' I didn't really know what to expect from Spore, or rather I hadn't been waiting for the game for years before it game out. If you were really looking forward to some evolution simulator (reasonable since that's what they told everyone it was) then I can see why you'd be pretty disappointed in Spore. I enjoyed the primitive stages of Spore. The ones in which your choices actually have impact on gameplay, and which let you explore the world. The crushing disappointment came when I realized that they discarded all variety in the civilization eras, and that no matter how much time you spent designing your ugly little buildings, you would always end up with exactly the same terrible strategy game that barely matched the complexity of the first Warcraft. I mean, even if you didn't expect anything from Spore, you would have to be disappointed by the 180 the game makes around the midpoint.
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So it's been many months, I think I'm about ready to reinstall this game now that all the bugs and issues have been fixed! Every single one of them! HERE I GO TO A WORLD OF MAGICAL SIMULATION
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Chocobo posted:So it's been many months, I think I'm about ready to reinstall this game now that all the bugs and issues have been fixed! Every single one of them! NO DON'T
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Oct 12, 2013 19:04
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Chocobo posted:So it's been many months, I think I'm about ready to reinstall this game now that all the bugs and issues have been fixed! Every single one of them! What the gently caress are you doing. 
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Oct 12, 2013 19:21
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Jolan posted:I played SC2k to death, but I've never been able to get into SC4 that much. For some reason, every time I tried to start a city, the RCI indicators would keep demanding huge areas of industry, even if half the map was filled with farms and factories with just a few blocks of housing and commercial spread among it. Add more taxes, seriously. 20% on dirty, 7% on manufactoring and 5% on high tech. Farming just polutes the water, but it looks good.
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I'm actually just getting into SC4 as someone who was a bit too young to really 'get' it in its prime. Now I can wrap my head around concepts like not trying to have a nuclear power plant and a fully staffed university in a sleepy town of 500, but I'm struggling to get at it past filling up shitholes of poorly developed residential neighborhoods and dirty industries. Where should I be trying to go from there, and should I let the game do that automatic road thing or lay them out personally in Autistic detail and then fill in afterwards?
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Autistic, and either make a HUGE sprawl and give people what they want, when they want it. Like schools, fire departments, police, healthcare, water. Or do it like me, plop down school and highschool, tax dirty out of the town, lower taxes for high tech. In other words, rush to high tech industry. I play on easy though, so I can run a negative budget for years.
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Also take a brief look at info about cap busters. At certain points your demands will plummet when certain caps in population, commercial and industrial are reached, and those are the way to get demands back up and going. Second post in this thread http://community.simtropolis.com/topic/50348-residential-cap-whats-the-best-way-to-increase-it/ has some better info with links for more in it. Oh, and here's the SAs very own thread http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3410697&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 for the game.
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Kilroy posted:Yeah I thought about sticking a "babby's first" in there somewhere. I agree all the minigames were pretty shallow. If you paid full price for it at release, you've every reason to be Meh I bought spore at release and enjoyed it. Got more time out of it than most games I've bought (especially the actiony-fpsy type games. I played Bioshock Infinite once. Like 8 hours maybe? Easily got 40 into Spore). First stage was fun, second stage was fun, tribe and civilization stages sucked bad, space stage was kinda fun. All in all it wasn't a bad purchase and I wish they'd release a sequel that was more hashed out. I wasn't on the hype train for it though.
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Oct 12, 2013 23:17
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Chocobo posted:So it's been many months, I think I'm about ready to reinstall this game now that all the bugs and issues have been fixed! Every single one of them! I've looked for gifs that might predict your experience but I really can't find any. Unless someone has one where Han and Chewie warp straight into goatse or something.
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Oct 12, 2013 23:25
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Chocobo posted:So it's been many months, I think I'm about ready to reinstall this game now that all the bugs and issues have been fixed! Every single one of them! My prediction, you can't launch the game or connect to servers.
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NihilVerumNisiMors posted:I've looked for gifs that might predict your experience but I really can't find any. Unless someone has one where Han and Chewie warp straight into goatse or something. Not exactly Han and Chewie, but I figure this might do. (Linked because  )
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Shadeoses posted:My prediction, you can't launch the game or connect to servers. I do always enjoy the stories that end with SimCity being literally unplayable instead of just unplayable.
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Uncle Jam posted:I would love a Japan type city planning game, because everything is just so different. You'd get to essentially zone basement buildings everywhere and underground pedestrian plazas are a main mode of transportation. It'd be cool to start with a small main train station and grow the station while growing the city. There actually is a Japanese style city planning series. It's called Machi-ing Maker, but the first two games in the series came overseas as "Metropolismania" for the PS2. The most recent one, Machi-ing Maker 4, is on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, but no one ever picked it up for localization. Apparently if you have some kind of translation guide it's not that hard to play, but the big problem is that the game is niche as gently caress and had a lot print run so it's like 80 dollars minimum for a PS3 copy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvKyq9wfzhI It's like SimCity 2013, only the map is small because it's in Japan, you're building everything individually and zoning on a microscopic level (compared to SC2013), people get jobs, keep the jobs, and go to the jobs without dying in traffic, and there's a huge public transportation push because everyone in Japan uses it. So it's like if SimCity 2013 actually worked. It's a console game at its core so it'll never compare to some theoretical ultra-Japanese SimCity PC competitor but it's a neat little series regardless.
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Policenaut posted:There actually is a Japanese style city planning series. It's called Machi-ing Maker, but the first two games in the series came overseas as "Metropolismania" for the PS2. Wow, I played this and I was pretty sure I was the only person who ever had. I got it in a bin at a supermarket for like a dollar, I think. It was pretty fun at the time but I haven't played it in years.
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Policenaut posted:There actually is a Japanese style city planning series. It's called Machi-ing Maker, but the first two games in the series came overseas as "Metropolismania" for the PS2. The most recent one, Machi-ing Maker 4, is on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, but no one ever picked it up for localization. Apparently if you have some kind of translation guide it's not that hard to play, but the big problem is that the game is niche as gently caress and had a lot print run so it's like 80 dollars minimum for a PS3 copy. Do you happen to know if the 360 version is region locked? 360 developers get to choose whether to lock their games or not, as I recall, so if I can play this on my pal 360 I might try and find it at book-off or something. Finally a game for my 360 that I might actually like.
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Shibawanko posted:Do you happen to know if the 360 version is region locked? 360 developers get to choose whether to lock their games or not, as I recall, so if I can play this on my pal 360 I might try and find it at book-off or something. Finally a game for my 360 that I might actually like. It doesn't look like it's region free, but most of the sites I use to look that sort of thing up have giant question marks and blank entries for the game because city building games aren't very high up there on the "games that anime nerds have to import" index. I wouldn't chance it normally but if you can find it for super cheap at a Book Off or whatever it could be worth a shot, wouldn't hold my breath on it.
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Baronjutter posted:I know 3000 is the favourite of many, but I find it the most skippable. Classic is classic, 2000 was a huge leap forward and is full of rad crazy stuff like rewards and arcologies. 3000 was just 2000 with better graphics and a few extra features. 4 is a god drat work of art and another huge leap forward. In other news, I've been playing a bit of SimCity 2000 Network Edition with some friends lately - it's weird as all hell, but rather fascinating. It also gives off the feeling a little of what Maxis wanted to try and achieve with 2013's multiplayer (sharing education and health resources as well as just utilities, for example). Buying out plots of land, and being able to choose the shape of the land plots you buy (so you can buy up flat areas but leave the hills for later development, say) is one of those things that 2013 really could have used: the arbitrary square shape of the 2013 plots - and the corresponding tendency to shove annoying geographical features into the plots while leaving vast tracts of perfectly good flat land undevelopable - compounds the tiny buildspace you have to work with.
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Voyager I posted:Where should I be trying to go from there, and should I let the game do that automatic road thing or lay them out personally in Autistic detail and then fill in afterwards? If you can't feel the autism you're doing it wrong.
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Paul.Power posted:I think 3000's biggest strength is its sense of personality - the advisors and petitioners are nicely stylised cartoons with interesting things to say, the music is (IMO) the best that the series has ever had, the ticker jokes are funnier than 4's and less buggy than 2000's newspapers. I still have my CD and manual and everything... but OSX hasn't supported their PowerPC virtual machine since 10.3, so I've been poo poo outta luck for a decade now. quote:In other news, I've been playing a bit of SimCity 2000 Network Edition with some friends lately - it's weird as all hell, but rather fascinating.
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Yeah, there was an actual multiplayer SC2K they put out.. called it "Network Edition." It was cute, but didn't add much to the game.
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Policenaut posted:There actually is a Japanese style city planning series. It's called Machi-ing Maker, but the first two games in the series came overseas as "Metropolismania" for the PS2. The most recent one, Machi-ing Maker 4, is on PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360, but no one ever picked it up for localization. Apparently if you have some kind of translation guide it's not that hard to play, but the big problem is that the game is niche as gently caress and had a lot print run so it's like 80 dollars minimum for a PS3 copy. Wait a minute, Tower Records still exists in Japan?
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Voyager I posted:I'm actually just getting into SC4 as someone who was a bit too young to really 'get' it in its prime. Now I can wrap my head around concepts like not trying to have a nuclear power plant and a fully staffed university in a sleepy town of 500, but I'm struggling to get at it past filling up shitholes of poorly developed residential neighborhoods and dirty industries. Where should I be trying to go from there, and should I let the game do that automatic road thing or lay them out personally in Autistic detail and then fill in afterwards? What you should do is head over to the good SimCity thread! http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3537338&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 A lot of SC4's gameplay ends up revolving around demand caps, basically there's a critical mass of certain things required before your city/region will support more advanced construction. You absolutely need dirty/manufacturing industry before your region can support skyscrapers, so you can make a Camden NJ city and then create a Manhattan next door. Even in a lovely industrial town, once you've got enough people/jobs, you can start supporting that population with services etc. To what extent depends on what you want the town to evolve into and how nice you want to be. SC4 is all about sperg, and once you've got the backbone of a region up and running (~100000 people,) it becomes more about getting rid of limits to demand than building up critical mass. So there's little point in auto-zoning, really. Let your neighborhoods be your zen garden. Especially since, with a big region map, you'll have more space than you will ever be able to fill.
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xzzy posted:Yeah, there was an actual multiplayer SC2K they put out.. called it "Network Edition." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9e3WlJChro Somewhere in the back of my mind I think a multiplayer Simcity would be awesome but I can't for the life of me think how it might work in any meaningful way.
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Paul.Power posted:Buying out plots of land, and being able to choose the shape of the land plots you buy (so you can buy up flat areas but leave the hills for later development, say) is one of those things that 2013 really could have used: the arbitrary square shape of the 2013 plots - and the corresponding tendency to shove annoying geographical features into the plots while leaving vast tracts of perfectly good flat land undevelopable - compounds the tiny buildspace you have to work with. This is the funniest bit about the horrible city size. Not only is it tiny but they'll then make a massive amount unusable and there aren't any terraforming tools to try and fix it
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KKKlean Energy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9e3WlJChro Like Anno. Being able to share control with other players. I would love to play a sim city with my wife like that.
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KKKlean Energy posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9e3WlJChro There's quite a number of ways it could work, actually. Multiple people working on the same city plot, rivaling cities trying to reach X number of people first and sabotaging each other along the way, groups of colonists on a new planet that need to each work their cities to exploit local resources but work together to terraform the planet, or like what people used to with a shared SimCity 4 region. Really, the biggest bottleneck is transferring all of the data around. If memory serves that last one led to downloads in the gigabytes to transfer the regions around. It's certainly POSSIBLE it just isn't the most PRACTICAL thing in the world and would be a monster to code.
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As far as multiplayer goes, SC5 seems like it at least got it right in concept. Obviously the implementation is crap because the game itself is crap, but specializing cities for the greater good isn't a completely bad idea. The idea of each mayor specializing a zone type or a wealth type opens a lot of cooperative possibilities. Maybe that's just me though, the idea of a clean high wealth city having to deal with a bunch of low wealth commuters sounds really amusing. Just make the cities right next to each other instead of miles away (unless the players choose to make them miles away).
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xzzy posted:Maybe that's just me though, the idea of a clean high wealth city having to deal with a bunch of low wealth commuters sounds really amusing. I dunno, that's kinda like the video game version of fygm. For this scenario to work, you need to have someone who likes being the polluted slave-city that exports their poor, uneducated, 40-yr lifespan commuters to some other guy's metropolis (even more insulting when you can see their golden skyscrapers and all you have is graffiti'ed up projects and smoggy green skies). That's like the opposite of what I imagine when it comes to Sim City, I want happy sims with long lifespans and high IQ who work in the zero-pollution industrial zones in their own city and I get the impression most players do as well. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 13, 2013 |
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The White Dragon posted:That's like the opposite of what I imagine when it comes to Sim City, I want happy sims with long lifespans and high IQ who work in the zero-pollution industrial zones in their own city and I get the impression most players do as well. But you can do that already with every SimCity ever made already. I mean yeah, what you suggest is fun but there's not much of a multiplayer game in that.
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The White Dragon posted:I dunno, that's kinda like the video game version of fygm. For this scenario to work, you need to have someone who likes being the polluted slave-city that exports their poor, uneducated, 40-yr lifespan commuters to some other guy's metropolis (even more insulting when you can see their golden skyscrapers and all you have is graffiti'ed up projects and smoggy green skies). That's like the opposite of what I imagine when it comes to Sim City, I want happy sims with long lifespans and high IQ who work in the zero-pollution industrial zones in their own city and I get the impression most players do as well. What if you ended up with Judge Dredd like mile high residential blocks?
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Chocobo posted:So it's been many months, I think I'm about ready to reinstall this game now that all the bugs and issues have been fixed! Every single one of them! So what's happening with this? Or is "reinstalling SimCity" the cool new euphemism for suicide?
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:So what's happening with this? Or is "reinstalling SimCity" the cool new euphemism for suicide? I reinstalled and enjoyed myself until people started bitching that they couldn't find work when there were open jobs for their wealth bracket. Guess I'll wait for another 4 months of patches.
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The White Dragon posted:I dunno, that's kinda like the video game version of fygm. For this scenario to work, you need to have someone who likes being the polluted slave-city that exports their poor, uneducated, 40-yr lifespan commuters to some other guy's metropolis (even more insulting when you can see their golden skyscrapers and all you have is graffiti'ed up projects and smoggy green skies). That's like the opposite of what I imagine when it comes to Sim City, I want happy sims with long lifespans and high IQ who work in the zero-pollution industrial zones in their own city and I get the impression most players do as well. Perhaps you could build multiplayer gameplay around the idea of poor mayors trying to bring their wealthy opposites down by offering Would it be almost impossible to balance out? Yes. Would it be cool as hell? Yes. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Doug Lombardi posted:Wait a minute, Tower Records still exists in Japan? The Japanese part went independent and seems to be doing pretty well. IIRC the biggest record store that still exists is a Tower Records one there.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Rivaling cities trying to reach X number of people first and sabotaging each other along the way. This worked well for Constructor on a small scale, although there was way too much you needed to be doing at any one time in that game.
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