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Shalinor posted:You get compared to Minecraft. If people see polygons or boxes, you're a Minecraft ripoff. People have accused Hot Tin Roof of being a Minecraft copy, I poo poo you not. If people see triangles instead of rectangles, thankfully there's no immediate comparison... but I bet you'd get called a ripoff of Kentucky Route Zero. A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I honestly think some people just accuse every loving game out there of being a Minecraft ripoff, that's the only explanation I can think of for some of the games I see people accuse of being Minecraft ripoffs. Well, I guess that means this article can be considered real now.  Shalinor posted:It seems like the era of low-poly art was so short as to be missed by almost all of today's gaming kids, and there's very little in those generations that people actively WANT to go back to. The era of low-polygon was ALSO the era of the beautiful high-res PS1 spritework, so people remember the one and give the other a pretty wide berth. Anything left in the gap that's quality gets an HD remake, and there you go. I always thought that the early 3D days were interesting. Virtua Fighter and Virtua Racing hit the arcades when everything else at the time was a 2D fighting game. Expensive consoles that could do 3D graphics, such as the 3DO and Jaguar, along with the 32X, were coming out during the height of the 16-bit days, well after the CD add-ons and FMV games craze came and went. It seemed like, due to how expensive the prospects of 3D were at that short period of time, nobody really recalls those days, and it got lost in the shuffle between the tail end of the Genesis/SNES era and the beginning of the PS1/Saturn era. I own a 3DO and the 32X, so playing through those games now is like playing through this forgotten era of time when people were experimenting with 3D despite all the limitations they went through. Shalinor posted:EDIT: For the love of god, someone find a good Kickstarter. Post it. Doesn't even have to be a new one, just something interesting that happened in one. This is a neat conversation, but we're massively off-topic. Was this brought up: something about a ColecoVision app. I think it's an app? There's a bunch of 3D models showing a console, but they keep mentioning an app so I'm confused as to what exactly this is supposed to be. I don't even know what the market for this would be, as I'm assuming there isn't a huge market for pre-NES-era nostalgic gaming that isn't just an Atari 2600 clone. EDIT: Oh, it was brought up. I'm actually a fan of the ColecoVision, but like probably anybody who has any interest in the platform, I already own the hardware and several games for it. I can't imagine the market for this thing. Mercury Crusader fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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I think 'minecraft ripoff' has basically become one of those idiotic self-propelling memes. Whoever says it may or may not mean it, but the opportunity is there and therefore it has to be said. My memory of the early, low-poly days is almost exclusively of PC games, and PC graphics of that era are really not much to be nostalgic for. The hook, from what I recall, was scope: truly three-dimensional environments, enemies that could leap, tumble and run without looking like sprites being slid around on a transparent background. Escaping the Vortex Rikers prison ship in Unreal, and finding yourself at the top of gaming's very own version of the Victoria Falls. I don't think indie devs couldn't do the same thing (though I'm not sure it would evoke the same sense of wonder and 'look at what this passthrough voodoo card can do!') but I'm not sure there's much of a challenge or point to doing it. I can't make the same comments about the console side of things, though.
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Shalinor posted:The reason modern games don't play with palette rotation is that you can't. Literally can't. Graphics cards haven't supported palette-based rendering on average in nearly a decade. I'll probably write a system to implement a palette eventually, for funsies, but it will be a ridiculously expensive algorithm. I assume some others have done the same, but it's an advanced technique / super expensive trick these days.
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Shalinor posted:EDIT: For the love of god, someone find a good Kickstarter. Post it. Doesn't even have to be a new one, just something interesting that happened in one. This is a neat conversation, but we're massively off-topic. Your wish is my command! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1964463742/the-mandate Not sure if this might have cropped up over the last few weeks, but its relatively new as far as I can tell. Basic plot summary: Humanity of the future left Earth, settled the stars, and built itself a new Empire. But that empire is starting to crack as fringe worlds rebel against a new and untested Empress, and its fleet is divided as the means of FTL travel they use is sabotaged. Your job: Fix this. I'm a sucker for space exploration and combat, though I do feel slightly worried on just how big a game this could really be, as an Indie project.
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Mercury Crusader posted:Was this brought up: something about a ColecoVision app. I think it's an app? There's a bunch of 3D models showing a console, but they keep mentioning an app so I'm confused as to what exactly this is supposed to be. I don't even know what the market for this would be, as I'm assuming there isn't a huge market for pre-NES-era nostalgic gaming that isn't just an Atari 2600 clone. Yeah, I brought it up. It's basically an emulator with a really fancy frontend and some cool extras.
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Astro Nut posted:Your wish is my command!
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Also, since we're posting Kickstarters: Pulsar: Lost Colony is a game I saw a little while ago and it looked pretty interesting. Either I wasn't paying much attention or it wasn't up on Kickstarter then, but it's definitely there now, so check it out. It's sort of like a first person co-op FTL with sequences that take place on planets in addition to just your ship.
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I should point out that the Legend of the Lance kickstarter team isn't going to shun suggestions, if you have any. While I backed it due to this thread, I linked them the PA report with Zeboyd games and asked them to please pass it to the entire team because that $350k stretch tier is going to bankrupt them if they leave it how it is. They're completely underestimating the cost of physical media and shipping to a ton of backers. I kinda expected to be ignored or told they had a handle on it, but I got a reply back that the team will read the article and discuss options tomorrow. In the end they could just say screw it and keep it the way it is, but hey, I just like seeing teams that are willing to adapt and take criticism. 
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The Mandate looks fantastic, and it all seems pretty do-able with the big blinking exception of simultaneous boarding and ship-to-ship combat, which looks like it would just be a clusterfuck. Also, I'm not sure why they launched before the demo character creator was made and the ship builder had more than two parts, though I guess that's probably good update fodder. Speaking of mandates, the SC2VN has <4 days to make 2.5k. That seems feasible but I dunno. There's only about 100 backers atm so unless they've completely tapped the esports+VN audience there's room to grow. They've certainly rolled out a lot of updates and the "battle" system seemed interesting.
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The Mandate has a bunch of game dev vets and it seems to be pretty far along and yet the release is 2015 so while ambitious it seems pretty realistic. They did give themselves 60 days on their KS so that is a lot of time to ramp up marketing. Having a $10 tier with no actual game seems like a mistake though.
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Astro Nut posted:Your wish is my command!
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Ahaha, a couple of people upset in the comments of the Shadowrun kickstarter because of an update about their (failed/terrible idea/super-niche) Golem Arcana project. And yeah, the Mandate just seems really cool. But to be fair I've really mostly seen concept art. Either way, I hope it comes out and I hope they get some solid promotional space from websites. I love Russian voice overs, too. 
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Shalinor posted:EDIT: For the love of god, someone find a good Kickstarter. Post it. Doesn't even have to be a new one, just something interesting that happened in one. This is a neat conversation, but we're massively off-topic. How about a game that will eventually end up on kickstarter?  This was posted in the RPG thread, seems kind of neat: http://www.darkestdungeon.com/game/ FAQ says they'll probably do a kickstarter for it. Depending on how it develops (I'm not really sure how the side scrolling gameplay will mesh with the tactical gameplay) it's the kind of project I wouldn't mind backing. Seems like a unique concept.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:How about a game that will eventually end up on kickstarter? This looks awesome and I can't wait to give them my money.
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DarkstarIV posted:Some fighting game called Air Dash Online.
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Drifter posted:Ahaha, a couple of people upset in the comments of the Shadowrun kickstarter because of an update about their (failed/terrible idea/super-niche) Golem Arcana project. loving gamers, man. quote:You dare insult us Linux users by releasing SR for tablets BEFORE Linux and than you posting cheap advertisement instead of actual news?
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Drifter posted:Ahaha, a couple of people upset in the comments of the Shadowrun kickstarter because of an update about their (failed/terrible idea/super-niche) Golem Arcana project. Golem Arcana looks like a great concept to me, just crazy expensive.
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Cicero posted:Characters look like they're from a generic Korean F2P MMO. Like, not technically bad, just intensely boring. It's really weird isn't it? Like with those bucketloads of Korean MMOs the artwork is technically competent and looks polished and detailed as hell but none of the characters have any...character.
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Drifter posted:... an update about their (failed/terrible idea/super-niche) Golem Arcana project. I don't know that I'd call it failed either. It is going to be close, but I'm pretty sure they are going to make it based on how fast its been moving up since it hit 48 hours. I guess we'll see.
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King Burgundy posted:I don't know that I'd call it failed either. It is going to be close, but I'm pretty sure they are going to make it based on how fast its been moving up since it hit 48 hours. I guess we'll see. Just covering my bases about what people see it as.  I think those were among the top five goon descriptions about that kickstarter back when it first went live.
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I was mildly annoyed, mainly because I've been waiting on a patch for SRR for a couple of months-- their last one hosed things up in precisely the way it was supposed to fix things for other people. Otherwise, eh. They wouldn't be the first outfit to do something like that, and it probably is going to be pretty close either way.
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Bieeardo posted:I was mildly annoyed, mainly because I've been waiting on a patch for SRR for a couple of months-- their last one hosed things up in precisely the way it was supposed to fix things for other people. Otherwise, eh. They wouldn't be the first outfit to do something like that, and it probably is going to be pretty close either way. I'm a bit pissed off too. I wanted that native Linux support. There also is a hillarious bug. Sometimes an attack instead of going to the proper target goes towards every thing on the map. This looks great (a massive whirlwind of bullets). The bad news is that it does not discriminate between friends and foes and I tend to play squishy mage-ish characters for my main character. They don't tend take the autoshotgun burst to the chest from one meter away very well. And the checkpoints can be far away... So, yeah. I'd like my Linux support or at least some bugfixes for stuff that ain't quite right. I still love that game, given what I paid for it.
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I can certainly understand being annoyed (heck, I'm a backer of Golem Arcana already and it still managed to annoyed me. I want news on Berlin, dammit), but the way some people in the comments are carrying on you'd think that HBS had emailed them all a picture of their moms being violated.
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Cicero posted:Characters look like they're from a generic Korean F2P MMO. Like, not technically bad, just intensely boring. If they'd gone with stylized pixel art ala Hyper Light Drifter they'd probably be printing money. It's that odd melange of steampunk and Asian fantasy, but where you can't really identify what most of the characters are just by looking at them. And with fighting games, you kind of need to look at a character and get some idea of what their gimmick is, I think, to latch onto. Not... "It's a anthropomorphic bunny... kung-fu... wheat farmer?"
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Tensokuu posted:I should point out that the Legend of the Lance kickstarter team isn't going to shun suggestions, if you have any. While I backed it due to this thread, I linked them the PA report with Zeboyd games and asked them to please pass it to the entire team because that $350k stretch tier is going to bankrupt them if they leave it how it is. They're completely underestimating the cost of physical media and shipping to a ton of backers. I mentioned this before, but at that stretch goal level more than half of their money could come from people at the $10 level, who would be costing the project more than $10 in printing and shipping fees. Just the fact that no one in the group noticed that is a red flag for me, and to be frank it seems stupid to me to back them if they actually wind up close to that benchmark, because it will undoubtedly ruin the project. The horse armor is super cool looking, but honestly just about everything about the stretch goals makes me wary as hell, and the "everyone gets a book!" level is just plain stupid. e: on double checking, the $10 tier is limited to 1800 not 18000, so only $18000/$350000 could come from that level, not half like I mistakenly thought. Still a bad financial call, but not as terrible as I thought. Also, am I fully crazy, or did it used to say book + box + manual? Now it only says the latter two, and combined with the added 0 I'm wondering if I was just completely unable to read last night. Arnold of Soissons fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Arnold of Soissons posted:Also, am I fully crazy, or did it used to say book + box + manual? Now it only says the latter two, and combined with the added 0 I'm wondering if I was just completely unable to read last night. Don't worry. What would the internet be without a little incoherence in its opinions?
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I honestly think some people just accuse every loving game out there of being a Minecraft ripoff, that's the only explanation I can think of for some of the games I see people accuse of being Minecraft ripoffs. My favorite "Minecraft Ripoff" is Blockland, a game which was released 5 years before Minecraft.
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Astro Nut posted:Your wish is my command! Backed this at the $40 level, it looks awesome and I hope they make it.
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It's not a "game" per se, but I don't think that this project, to put together a book featuring cabinet art from classic arcade machines has been linked here yet.
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Astro Nut posted:Your wish is my command! I want to believe in this, but the the pitch just hasn't convinced me. I still don't get how the game is going to play - from the description given it could be a 4X with more interactive combat, X3 with more of a story, or anything in between. Plus I find it very weird that the pitch video only features only the artist and not the project lead.
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KozmoNaut posted:Backed this at the $40 level, it looks awesome and I hope they make it. Me too. I'm hoping there's an add-on to get a second copy, otherwise you have to go up to the $100 pledge level.
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ookiimarukochan posted:It's not a "game" per se, but I don't think that this project, to put together a book featuring cabinet art from classic arcade machines has been linked here yet. Wow, that looks really tempting. I don't know if I can budget it, but it's an impressive selection of classic vidgame arts.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:One cool thing about low-poly 3D art is that animating 3D models is substantially less work than animating pixel art (what with not having to redraw every frame, and giving you way more flexibility with your framerate because the computer can fill in the gaps between key frames), so that would be an avenue for indies to push animation. Although it would still be hard to compete with the animation tech being used by big companies - Inverse Kinematics is the big thing in game animation now and it's REALLY complex to get looking right, but basically impossible to match with traditional animation. Low poly 3D art which draws heavy inspiration from brutalist art/architecture with lots of sharp angles and flat surfaces is exactly the route Massive Chalice is taking - in part because it allows them to generate a lot of assets cheaply while remaining very recognizable from a tactical/isometric-ish view.
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As a side-note, the Skyjacker people also seem to be vouching for the one-man-development-studio who's making Universum: quote:This game was done by ... ONE MAN! No jokes! Just in brief: "I’m a guy, who decided to stop just to dream, but to make it real. Being a professional 3D & 2D artist, game designer, programmer, and even music composer, I spent 10 years of my life working for game companies as their Lead Artist, Art Director and project manager. Finally I decided to leave my last job, staying home like a hermit for a while, and focusing on my own game development. The game you see here is a result of my personal day to day hard work over a year, and I pretty sure I can do even more with your help and support.” I'm not actually that interested in the game itself and I'm not backing it, but I still think this is pretty badass.
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DoctorTristan posted:I want to believe in this, but the the pitch just hasn't convinced me. I still don't get how the game is going to play - from the description given it could be a 4X with more interactive combat, X3 with more of a story, or anything in between. Plus I find it very weird that the pitch video only features only the artist and not the project lead. I get there's a ship builder, that isn't what I mean. Show me some actual gameplay. Shadowrun asked for less, and showed way the heck more. So did that stealth/adventure game about directing the woman around the futuristic lab/business (started as mobile-only, finally went desktop too at behest of community). EDIT: there's this, but looks to just be a concept render. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTzpSnVjLc Shalinor fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Oct 14, 2013 |
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Reminder: Cornerstone: The Song of Tyrim has a demo coming out this week. They need about $1k a day to reach their goal, so this'll probably decide if they sink or swim.
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Shalinor posted:Lack of gameplay video + a completely untried team + $500k goal isn't selling me even remotely. They don't have a Tim Schafer, so I really kinda want to see more than concept art. I emailed the devs with a bunch of questions about the gameplay, they said it was okay to share their response here. I asked them: quote:My main concern is that after watching the video I still don't know how the game is going to play. From the description it could be anything from a 4X with more story to a shooter with boarding actions, or anything in between. Their response was: quote:Pirates! and Mount & Blade are two of our inspirations for the diplomacy and adventure travel mode. This is when you will be roaming around the galaxy. They also asked me to mention the following: quote:1) Our team is new, our devs are not. Some are not mentioned due to contractual reasons but we have a lot of experience combined. Even after reading that I'm still not any clearer on what exactly this is. Combining so many different genres like that could be amazing if done right, but I'm going to need to see some actual gameplay demos before I can decide whether you've got a team that can pull off something that ambitious. They claim that gameplay videos are coming 'in the next few weeks', but they really should have waited until those were ready before they stuck their hat out. Instead they launched with a bunch of concept art and a pitch led by the artist because the producer hasn't set his camera up yet (seriously,  ?!). If you're asking for half a million dollars your pitch needs to be polished to a mirror shine, so put a proper demo together and buy a loving camera.
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Shalinor posted:EDIT: For the love of god, someone find a good Kickstarter. Post it. Doesn't even have to be a new one, just something interesting that happened in one. This is a neat conversation, but we're massively off-topic. GoD Factory has three days left and could really use a bit of love! It's not too late for a final day surge. Here's a video from this weekend showing the current totally playable state of the alpha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3uiMvMtjHs We've had a bit of a resurgence in space flight sims recently, but I haven't really seen any with this particular sort of competitive team based multiplayer focus. It has heavy Armored Core-like customization and what I think is a really good looking organic art style. Every little bit helps!
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Every time I post in here I swear I've seen the thing I'm posting before, but here we go again: castAR, augmented reality glasses from the people who no longer work at Valve.
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Dr Solway Garr posted:I take it you've not played, Kickstarter backed game, Kentucky Route Zero. Don't most emulators have options to add things like TV blur or scan lines if you don't want super sharp images or smoothed out ones? I like playing some old SNES games with the hq4x smoothing on them but you should be able to get away from the crisp look of a monitor as well. EDIT: THE GHOSTS OF THE FORUM SUGGEST NOT REPLYING TO THIS AND LETTING THE OFF-TOPIC HORSE DIE WITHOUT FURTHER KICKAGE. OoOOOoOooo 
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