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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyQz9sroYBI This is a pretty good Walt/series retrospective/tribute thing I found while bouncing around Youtube. It's kinda neat to see all these things with the whole show now finished. Any other really good full series tributes or things like this that other people have found? I know a few have been posted, I think.
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I think my least favourite scene is from Better Caul Saul, when Walt pulls in front of Hank at the stakeout and Hank tries to shoo him away. I dunno the whole thing just felt fake, excessively silly and pantomimey to me.
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Oct 22, 2013 07:04
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hiddenmovement posted:I think my least favourite scene is from Better Caul Saul, when Walt pulls in front of Hank at the stakeout and Hank tries to shoo him away. It definitely went on too long and pulled me out of the scene. If it had been edited down to a maybe 5 second bit with the focus on Jesse and Badger, it wouldn't have been nearly as out of place.
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Oct 22, 2013 07:11
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hiddenmovement posted:I think my least favourite scene is from Better Caul Saul, when Walt pulls in front of Hank at the stakeout and Hank tries to shoo him away. I didn't mind because at the time a lot of people were still thinking of Walt as the nice guy in over his head in an ugly business, and that the show leaned more towards black comedy... which that scene worked very well with in my opinion. I can see why some people would hate it, but I can't bring myself to. DNova posted:You jest, but there's plenty of product placement throughout the show but it's just background fodder like it should be, if it has to exist at all. That scene is a 1 minute car commercial. I've heard that all the Denny's stuff - including referencing very specific Denny's menu items more than once - wasn't actually done for advertising money but because the whole crew went to Denny's a lot. Seriously, Denny's gets more screen time in Breaking Bad than any other product. Does anyone know for sure? ... the odd thing though? All of the product placement including that car scene was woven into the story to help, not hurt it. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 08:38
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Blazing Ownager posted:I didn't mind because at the time a lot of people were still thinking of Walt as the nice guy in over his head in an ugly business, and that the show leaned more towards black comedy... which that scene worked very well with in my opinion. Yeah, I don't have an issue with the intention, just the execution. Felt hammy. I guess that's the nature of comedy though, there's a really fine line between perfection and going just that tiny bit too far and removing your sense of verisimilitude.
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Oct 22, 2013 09:27
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hiddenmovement posted:I think my least favourite scene is from Better Caul Saul, when Walt pulls in front of Hank at the stakeout and Hank tries to shoo him away. This is weird because I loved that scene. Walter's performance was absolutely hammy and unbelievable, but Hank is so convinced that Walter is just his dork brother in law that he falls for it without an iota of suspicion. Plus I love that the series works in quite a bit of comedy. It would've suffered a lot from going straight drama.
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Oct 22, 2013 09:51
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beep by grandpa posted:Jesus, the way that link was framed I thought he meant the most depressing/sad/uncomfortable scene in the show. It's like people come to this thread to out- I think it was the sexual assault scene in season 2 that first made me question what kind of guy Walt was and his supposed devotion to his family. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alice-wilder/the-forgotten-rape-of-sky_b_4013319.html
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Oct 22, 2013 10:54
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Crashbee posted:I think it was the sexual assault scene in season 2 that first made me question what kind of guy Walt was and his supposed devotion to his family. That scene was uncomfortable and meant to be as such, but he did stop after she accidentally slipped. Calling it rape is way over the top. Perhaps my memory of the scene is blurry but I remember him basically trying to keep pushing for it, then ultimately she yelled at him after she slipped and it ended there. The scene was also important from another perspective: Every time Walter got home from some Crazy poo poo (TM), he'd immediately try to have sex with Skylar and she had always been willing. That was the first time he got back from a near-death experience and found out he wasn't always going to get his way; it was the first time he got rejected in the scenario. Again, really dickish and lovely behavior and very expertly written to walk that line, but I think there's way too much hyperbole in the other direction. And I sincerely hope I didn't open another can of worms on this one.
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Oct 22, 2013 11:13
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BlackJosh posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyQz9sroYBI Here's one for Walt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VirGFVLavLI Here's one for Jesse fans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amoS5hoC1SA There's always room for some Baby Blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXWvUkLda0
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Oct 22, 2013 11:31
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Does anyone know what coat Walt was wearing for most of the last few episodes? It's clearly some military jacket. I was just curious if anyone knew anything specific.
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Oct 22, 2013 12:09
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Thinking about it, you could say everything that happened was Skyler's fault. Walt wanted to die, and she emotionally blackmailed him into treatment. That was a big reason why I hated her character up until season 4. That excellent scene with the "talking pillow", Walt gives a passionate and eloquent speech about how he'd rather die than go through all that pain and heartache, and she just acts very cold towards him until he gives in. I was struck by how selfish and unsympathetic that was.
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Oct 22, 2013 23:12
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I agree. It's very selfish of her to not want her husband to die. What a bitch.
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Oct 22, 2013 23:17
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Blazing Ownager posted:... the odd thing though? All of the product placement including that car scene was woven into the story to help, not hurt it. Strongly disagree with that. The dubstep/new Dodge montage was so out-of-place it was jarring.
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Oct 22, 2013 23:21
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Robawesome posted:Strongly disagree with that. The dubstep/new Dodge montage was so out-of-place it was jarring. If I remember right, it was a cold open, and seeing him gently caress around with cars with his son worked fine for me. Yes it was stylistically different than the show usually is, but remember, this is a show that opened one episode with a Mariachi band singing the plot of the series set to a music video, so it didn't really bother me at all. But through the rest of the show, we get frequent, frequent brand dropping - Denny's as I mentioned, Coke-Cola many times (even directly referenced in the "Say my name!" speech) and dozens of other things I'm forgetting right now. But again it never bothered me; the line about "Classic Coke" worked perfectly and I liked them not trying to censor the vending machine, for example - it helped drag the show into the real world using product placement. While I can see the argument for the car scene, the rest of it should be a text book example of how to put product placement into something: To make the world feel more real. Come on, tell me you don't picture a couple meth cooks totally eating at Denny's after a job? Alan_Shore posted:Thinking about it, you could say everything that happened was Skyler's fault. Walt wanted to die, and she emotionally blackmailed him into treatment. Nothing at all was her fault, until Season 4 and in particular Season 5B when she catches Heisenberg fever and wants to keep that money. You could argue everything is her fault from the moment Walt decides to turn himself in and she won't let him because of the cash, however, and have a point. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Oct 22, 2013 |
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Oct 22, 2013 23:24
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2house2fly posted:I agree. It's very selfish of her to not want her husband to die. What a bitch. Well there's a difference between not wanting her husband to die and punishing him for not prolonging his life, and not wanting her husband to die but understanding his reasons for refusing treatment and accepting them.
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Oct 22, 2013 23:56
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Alan_Shore posted:Well there's a difference between not wanting her husband to die and punishing him for not prolonging his life, and not wanting her husband to die but understanding his reasons for refusing treatment and accepting them. Except she did accept his reasons after that speech; the scene before he gave in was him looking at books about taking care of a baby, i.e. he decided to get treatment because of his daughter. Hell, there aren't any scenes with Skyler and Walter together after the talking pillow scene until he goes and tells her he'll get the treatment. There isn't any cold treatment from her until season two and the second cellphone, and that's pretty deserved since Walt's obviously lying and hiding something there (and is, ironically, a reversal of how coldly he was treating her in season one). Also I'm pretty sure Skyler didn't make Walter start cooking meth, blackmail Jesse, kill multiple people, etc.
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Some quick thoughts on the last 8 episodes. Overall, I'd say it's the weakest part of the series, even more so than season 1. I'd give it a 7/10. Things I thought were amazing: -The first episode "Blood Money" was rock solid. It completely gave you the impression that the next 7 would be phenomenal. The confrontation in the garage between Hank & Walt was flawless, with of course, the "tread lightly" line. I also enjoyed the moment where Hank was digging up old files on the Heisenberg case. Especially the part where he was just starring at the sketch of Heisenberg's face with the Hat & sunglasses. -Jesse Plemons as Todd was completely original and unnerving. I can't think of another villain that is even remotely similar to him in style and personality. The polite, shy, and ultimately sadistic characteristics of Todd were flawlessly portrayed by Mr. Plemons. Definitely one the the strongest parts about the last 8. -Granite State. Easily my favorite of these final episodes. Meeting the Vacuum Repair Guy was great, along with a very gritty feel throughout the episode of Walter suffering alone in the middle of nowhere in New Hampshire. Having a setting outside of New Mexico or the desert in general was definitely a change, and really well done. The last 3 minutes of this episode is probably my favorite scene in the entire series. Things I didn't like: -Walter's Confession tape. Not in the sense that it was really well done, but that it ultimately didn't really go anywhere plotwise. This definitely should have gone somewhere further, perhaps the DEA finding it after Hank's death or something, thus putting suspicion on Marie, giving credibility to Walt in their eyes, etc. -I know this has been debated to death, but I still have to say it; That Jesse immediately knew that Walt poisoned Brock after realizing he'd been pick-pocketed despite Jesse ALREADY KNOWING that Brock was NOT POISONED BY RICIN. He even said the words that he was poisoned by the flower Lily of the Valley at the end of season 4. I understand why they did this anyway, because there was just no way they would just let this show end without Jesse discovering the truth. On top of this, Jesse was never portrayed as being this smart by connecting the dots on things throughout this show, so it was a little pretentious for me when I first watched this scene. -Shootout between two episodes. This was just stupid and off-putting. It just wasn't breaking bad's style, and they haven't done anything like this before. They should of had this episode 15 minutes longer just like granite state and the finale, with it ending with Jack putting the bullet in Hank's head. -The finale. Everything about this was solid except for the part where Walt visits Gretchen & Elliot. I would've scrapped this scene and had more time devoted to Walter tracking down Uncle Jack's gang along with more time depicting Jesse's suffering in captivity. I think this definitely would've made the final confrontation with the Aryan's more dramatic. Elliot & Gretchen making a return in the previous episode with Charlie rose was just perfect, as in it motivated Walter to return to ABQ. They should've left it at that. That's all.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:05
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Roland Jones posted:Except she did accept his reasons after that speech; the scene before he gave in was him looking at books about taking care of a baby, i.e. he decided to get treatment because of his daughter. Hell, there aren't any scenes with Skyler and Walter together after the talking pillow scene until he goes and tells her he'll get the treatment. There isn't any cold treatment from her until season two and the second cellphone, and that's pretty deserved since Walt's obviously lying and hiding something there (and is, ironically, a reversal of how coldly he was treating her in season one). Well it was a while ago that I saw it, but yeah I remember after that scene he doesn't talk to her for a while, and then goes up behind her to give her a hug and she just doesn't respond until he says he'll get the treatment. So you can infer that she's been cold to him since that talk didn't go her way. And yes of course, ultimately everything is Walt's fault.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:24
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Stay Out of FYAD posted:Some quick thoughts on the last 8 episodes. Walt's visit to Gretchen and Elliot was amazing. Him ghosting through the house...it was my favorite scene of the finale by far.
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Oct 23, 2013 01:27
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Blazing Ownager posted:
The Denny's stuff was okay, but the rampant Los Pollos Hermanos placement soured me on the show for a while. Then again I guess they couldn't have produced the show as well as they did without that
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Oct 23, 2013 01:49
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Well, I just tore through the entirety for the first time in under a week. I'm riding an emotional rollercoaster still and I watched the finale yesterday.
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Oct 23, 2013 03:03
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Stay Out of FYAD posted:-Walter's Confession tape. Not in the sense that it was really well done, but that it ultimately didn't really go anywhere plotwise. This definitely should have gone somewhere further, perhaps the DEA finding it after Hank's death or something, thus putting suspicion on Marie, giving credibility to Walt in their eyes, etc. The fact that he made it at all was the point, it didn't have to be found. It made Hank back off and gave Walt some breathing room, and it also showed the audience just what lengths he was prepared to go to to avoid being caught. Having it be discovered by the DEA would have been a massive development that would have had to take up a sizable amount of screen-time, and ultimately it would have been proven to be fake and we'd be back at square one. That kind of side-plot might have worked earlier in the series, but it would have been terrible for the pacing of 5B, which was all about moving forward inexorably to the inevitable conclusion.
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Oct 23, 2013 03:45
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It made it so that simply gathering evidence and taking it to the DEA, like he was originally doing, was going to backfire. So he had to back off a little and find a different tactic. Which he found when he happened upon Jesse.
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Oct 23, 2013 04:15
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Stay Out of FYAD posted:-Shootout between two episodes. This was just stupid and off-putting. It just wasn't breaking bad's style, and they haven't done anything like this before. They should of had this episode 15 minutes longer just like granite state and the finale, with it ending with Jack putting the bullet in Hank's head. Totally fair to dislike this, but I actually loved the week of going "HOLY poo poo" with all of my friends before watching the darkest episode of the show since Crawl Space. Back when it aired a goon made a point that I liked, that by saving the end of the gunfight until the beginning of the next episode we got to see the consequences of Hank's death immediately and while it was still fresh to the viewer.
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Oct 23, 2013 04:22
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Jack Skeleton posted:Here's one for Walt Thank you so much. These are all great, especially the Jesse one.
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Oct 23, 2013 04:25
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I didn't think the dubstep car porn scene was all that good, but looking back I think part of that scenes problems lie in the inherent weakness of season 5a. That season is just Walt being flat out evil, he's not growing or changing or coming up against moral dilemmas, and so the simplicity of a scene where Walt is essentially saying 'Yolo swag holla holla got a dolla' is pretty dull and straightfoward by comparison to everything else that's gone on before. Of course in the context of the shows arc season 5a had to happen but isolated as an individual season it's still the least interesting from a Walt perspective. Season 1 haters are nuts.
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Oct 23, 2013 04:39
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Stay Out of FYAD posted:Some quick thoughts on the last 8 episodes. Jesse didn't just figure all that stuff out right then, he figured it out back in Season 4 when he had a gun to Walt's head. Go back and watch the last few minutes of End Times, Jesse spells out every step of Walt's actions. But Walt is in full-on Heisenberg evil genius mode and is able to talk him around into thinking it was Gus trying to maneuver him into killing Walt for him. So that scene is Jesse realizing "holy poo poo I was right all along".
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Takes No Damage posted:Jesse didn't just figure all that stuff out right then, he figured it out back in Season 4 when he had a gun to Walt's head. Go back and watch the last few minutes of End Times, Jesse spells out every step of Walt's actions. But Walt is in full-on Heisenberg evil genius mode and is able to talk him around into thinking it was Gus trying to maneuver him into killing Walt for him. So that scene is Jesse realizing "holy poo poo I was right all along". Unfortunately he wasn't over a toilet like Hank was. 
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Apollodorus posted:The Denny's stuff was okay, but the rampant Los Pollos Hermanos placement soured me on the show for a while. Then again I guess they couldn't have produced the show as well as they did without that
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Zedd posted:Wait, that is a real food chain? No. 
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Oct 23, 2013 16:12
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I was more upset at the product placement for tampico furniture, even going so far as to have walt sing the jingle
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Oct 23, 2013 16:15
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Fight Club Sandwich posted:I was more upset at the product placement for tampico furniture, even going so far as to have walt sing the jingle Tampico are such a small chain though, what's the harm in a family run business getting some free ad time? They could probably use it in this economy. The A1 car wash stuff was total bullshit though.
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Fight Club Sandwich posted:I was more upset at the product placement for tampico furniture, even going so far as to have walt sing the jingle drat Uncle Eight, always trying to collect some royalties.
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Oct 23, 2013 16:25
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Perfidus posted:Does anyone know what coat Walt was wearing for most of the last few episodes? It's clearly some military jacket. I was just curious if anyone knew anything specific. Some kind of M-65 field jacket variant. Tons of companies make their own versions with slight modifications but most of them will nail the general look. EDIT: and since it's actual military surplus you can get them dirt cheap and they're built to last. I have one in black and it rules. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Oct 23, 2013 |
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Alan_Shore posted:Well it was a while ago that I saw it, but yeah I remember after that scene he doesn't talk to her for a while, and then goes up behind her to give her a hug and she just doesn't respond until he says he'll get the treatment. So you can infer that she's been cold to him since that talk didn't go her way. I think a big thing to consider is that we're all watching the situation without any emotional attachments, so we're going to think very logically. But we're talking about someone who has been married to this man for a long time now, and is probably VERY conflicted about what she wants vs. what he wants. Like, I would find it really unbelievable if Skylar had just accepted it right then and there. Also, we probably had different reads of how she was treating him when he hugged her, but I read her saying nothing as just being depressed and too overwhelmed to think of anything to say at that moment.
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Max posted:I think a big thing to consider is that we're all watching the situation without any emotional attachments, so we're going to think very logically. But we're talking about someone who has been married to this man for a long time now, and is probably VERY conflicted about what she wants vs. what he wants. Like, I would find it really unbelievable if Skylar had just accepted it right then and there. Also, we probably had different reads of how she was treating him when he hugged her, but I read her saying nothing as just being depressed and too overwhelmed to think of anything to say at that moment. Maybe I'm misremebering, but there was a scene where, on Walt's 50th birthday his present is a lazy handjob while she trades stocks or something? I mean she doesn't even look at him. That to me was the scene that cemented my initial view of their relationship. It's probably why people hated Skylar so much too. (Yes I'm one of those people who thinks Skylar is a terribly written character, come at me) I mean the whole kharmic 'success at crime but pushing away his family' thing would have worked a lot better if he had a close relationship with his wife that was ruined. As it stands he had a very distant unloving relationship, and then she starts treating him even worse when all she knows at that point is 'My husband has just been diagnosed with cancer and wants to die' this doesn't rekindle her love for him, as in 'I didn't realize how much I did love him until I found out he was dying' instead it just becomes super confrontational with her emotionally blackmailing him and being cold at pretty much every opportunity. Even when she thinks he's cheating on her, the reaction is way too cruel and brutal. You'd think that a couple who's been married for so long she'd be understanding that, given their relationship prior to the diagnosis (lazy birthday handjob while trading stocks) she might think 'maybe how distant I've been plus the fact he's going to loving die drove him to another woman' nope! It's straight to confrontational holier than thou I WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR WHAT YOU DID TO ME WALT shenanigans. I mean it makes sense considering the arc of rising criminal power and crumbling family life, but if you just look at the family plot on its own it's just terribly written and Skylar's character comes off as really unsympathetic and inconsistent. The writers even admitted that Skylar gave them the most trouble in the writing room, and it's easy to see why. The distant unloving Skylar works good in the Pilot, but when the plot goes on longer the weaknesses and need to keep her around start to drag the show down.
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PootieTang posted:Maybe I'm misremebering, but there was a scene where, on Walt's 50th birthday his present is a lazy handjob while she trades stocks or something? I mean she doesn't even look at him. As far as the handjob thing goes, he could have just asked for more instead of just blithely accepting it. By the end of the first episode it's more than apparent that she's up for it. As far as how she's responding to his cancer diagnosis, I think you are still approaching it from an emotionally detached position, where people should only respond in certain ways. It may be because my Grandfather did exactly what Walt wanted to do, and my whole family pretty much reacted the way Skyler did right up until the end. When your emotions are all tangled up in something like that, you just aren't going to be reacting logically. I think her treating Walt badly and doing whatever she could to change his mind is consistent with someone who has held a long marriage and is very suddenly staring down the barrel of a future where the father of her son and unborn daughter is unilaterally deciding to check out and leaving her on her own, instead of fighting to stay with the family. It can be incredibly frustrating when you find out that your partner isn't willing to fight as hard as you think you might to keep everyone together, and I think her actions are consistent with that.
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