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Section Z posted:Considering the "value" of Keys has literally doubled This isn't true. Keys are $2.49 in the store and $1.85 in the secondary cash markets. That's remained steady. If you're talking about the value of metal relative to keys, it's shifting because people want keys, not metal. The metal supply grows every day with drops, the key supply only grows when $2.49 is spent for a new key. Linkletter fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 27, 2013 |
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Reiley posted:I made a new wildstyle spray Reiley can you make a spray for me?
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Linkletter posted:This isn't true. Keys are $2.49 in the store and $1.85 in the secondary cash markets. That's remained steady. If you're talking about the value of metal relative to keys, it's shifting because people want keys, not metal. The metal supply grows every day with drops, the key supply only grows when $2.49 is spent for a new key. EDIT: vvv It's good of you to keep your promises before you die. Section Z fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Oct 27, 2013 |
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The interesting part is that I promised this guy earlier I would airshot him. He freaked out when it happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlkRSPaia1k
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Section Z posted:A little over 3 (maybe 4 at most?) refined around the time I was talking about, compared to over 6 refined people are asking for now. But then I've always had issues with math and never tracked the Real Dollars values so whatever, it's not "double" it's just over 6 instead of 3-4ish like it was then. Or my not tracking Metal to cents means it's only inflated around double in pretend items while "It's not really all that much actually" in legitimate currency. Keys cost about twice as much in Imaginary Useless TF2 Metal, but they're still the same in real-world dollars. It's not that the value of keys has doubled, it's the value of metal (and therefore weapons and craft hats) which has halved.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Keys cost about twice as much in Imaginary Useless TF2 Metal, but they're still the same in real-world dollars. It's not that the value of keys has doubled, it's the value of metal (and therefore weapons and craft hats) which has halved. I was about to post this. "Real-world" money is also a bit of a misnomer, because Steam Wallet money is worth less than Paypal money. What's odd is that keys have stayed the same price at the Mann Co. store through everything. I'd like to see what happens if they raised or drop the price. The Hatconomy is a wonderful way to learn how economics works. It's fun watching how developments like store hats being craftable affects market prices.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:
Funniest thing about that was people trying to sell off certain uncraftable hats from before the update as super rare ultra collector items 5 buds please.
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qnqnx posted:Now try splitting time between all nine classes. And it didn't help that I didn't play TF2 at all for most of 2012. If you're trying to use your stranges to compare loadout efficiency it's important that you either use the tested weapons as a set (keep a set of unique weapons around, or buy multiple sets of stranges) or keep detailed track of your killcounts when you switch out. I took a LnL all the way to Hale's Own with sticky/PP. Took about 1k hours of (all-class) game playtime, ballpark estimate. I'm considering resetting it at some point to get some parts and a strange sticky (got a PP since). I'd be really interested to see how it does in buildings destroyed compared to all stock. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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Where the hell did Valve's economist minion go, anyway?
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I've never really put that much time into demoman, generally preferring to play the more "all-round" classes like soldier, scout and to a lesser extent pyro. While I can output decent damage with pipes and stickies, I'm nowhere near consistent with either, and my sticky jumping could do with a bit of work too. Seeing what some people at the top of the game can do with demoman is pretty inspiring though, so I'm planning to put a lot more hours into the class and see how much I can improve. Time to get good at demonstration man. 
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I'm really friggin lovely at demoman. I'm pretty proficient at soldier but demoman just kind of eludes me.
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Zero! posted:I've never really put that much time into demoman, generally preferring to play the more "all-round" classes like soldier, scout and to a lesser extent pyro. While I can output decent damage with pipes and stickies, I'm nowhere near consistent with either, and my sticky jumping could do with a bit of work too. Seeing what some people at the top of the game can do with demoman is pretty inspiring though, so I'm planning to put a lot more hours into the class and see how much I can improve. Welcome to the world, dude. Demo really is a great class, and even more when you master it. You can easily turn a game around with well placed explosives, and you also can switch to LnL Demoknight, it's really fun. By the way, it's easily my favorite class. It improves my aim, and I can easily finish someone off if I need to reload. I'm not totally useless either, as the LnL is deadly against most Engie nests.
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Anyone have sugggestions on a misc. that goes well with the Hurt Locher?
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I'm liking the Dark Age Defender with it. Your mileage may vary of course. Although to be fair the balloonicorn goes with everything  .
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:Anyone have sugggestions on a misc. that goes well with the Hurt Locher? He actually doesn't have many items that aren't silly Pirate or old Scottish references, the Hurt Locher is the first actual demolitions man misc he's ever gotten.
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Reiley posted:He actually doesn't have many items that aren't silly Pirate or old Scottish references, the Hurt Locher is the first actual demolitions man misc he's ever gotten. I was hoping there was one that I missed  I guess I'll use the Macho Mann
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Reiley posted:He actually doesn't have many items that aren't silly Pirate or old Scottish references, the Hurt Locher is the first actual demolitions man misc he's ever gotten. I really hope he gets another bomb disposal misc to go with it eventually. Same with the Pyro getting another firefighter misc to go with the turnout gear. drat, those two items were so good.
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Mercury Crusader posted:I really hope he gets another bomb disposal misc to go with it eventually. Same with the Pyro getting another firefighter misc to go with the turnout gear. drat, those two items were so good. They at least have the Scotch Bonnet and the Brigade Helm to go with those miscs. Not quite the same as an additional misc in the theme, but it's something...
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So valve didn't even do a halloween event this year?
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illiniguy01 posted:So valve didn't even do a halloween event this year? It will probably start Tuesday and go through into November instead of starting last Thursday and ending on Halloween.
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xzzy posted:I think the biggest issue with it these days is there's so much metal, and nothing to use it on. It only gets burned when new hats are put in for people trying to craft low numbers. This is the big thing I'm pretty sure. There's definitely lots of stupid arbitrary made-up horseshit elements to the TF2 economy but the price of metal makes sense to me. More and more of it gets made every week and there's not a lot worth spending it on that takes it back out of the economy. So the supply continues to increase and the demand is limited to its use as a low-tier currency and speculative item for hat barons. edit: If anyone's curious I managed to trade out that Miami Nights Flipped Trilby for two hats: a Stormy Storm Liquidator's Lid and a Purple Energy Mining Light. If you go by trade site values, I think I took a slight bath, but they're hats I love with effects I love on classes that previously didn't have anything I was really satisfied with. So hurray! Now I don't have to move that ugly-as-sin heap of poo poo that was inexplicably worth more than any of my much cooler hats!  Nehru the Damaja fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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^^^There's a mod somehwere that fixes the Sniper glasses bodygroup, because we all know that Valve will never fix that. Adding to the "the TF2 economy is totally bonkers" discussion, have been in a somewhat steady decline since May, now crashing to 17. SOme say that it is "adjusting for the key prices", but I'm going to say it's a result of panic sales, they never "adjusted for key price" anything else. Also, the "I'm just reporting the real sale price, now see all those cherry picked tf2outpost trades" is a piss poor excuse and voting matters poo poo all. At least keys kind of stabilized, they slowed down since the high 5 ref and now actually went down a fraction of a scrap to 6.11.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:~hatte~ Nice! I love the storm cloud effect and the mining light hat, if I were ever to get another unusual it would probably be a combination of the two or some type of storm cloud Pyro hat. illiniguy01 posted:So valve didn't even do a halloween event this year? Hopefully they do (they will), I remember having a lot of fun with the Merasmus event and murdering Huntsman Snipers all desperate to get the goofy skull hat/zombie skins that nobody actually wore or kept after the event  Airblasting multiple Snipers into the boss/death traps/bombsplosions per life was good fun while it lasted.
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qnqnx posted:^^^There's a mod somehwere that fixes the Sniper glasses bodygroup, because we all know that Valve will never fix that. I figured there might be but I've not been able to find it. Any hints?
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I was invited to a Steel Highlander group as a backup. I was invite to sub tonight and was told I did well. I may have bitten off more than I can chew.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:
We might keep the funhavers server running up during the week - it'd be just a normal TF2 server when there's no gimmick event going, and have halloween items enabled.
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Enigmatica posted:I was invited to a Steel Highlander group as a backup. I was invite to sub tonight and was told I did well. I may have bitten off more than I can chew. Steel is a fine place to cut your teeth.
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I was invited to sub. Then I had to install mumble, the map, and connect. Mumble wasn't properly configured so I played without sound and we still won. My friend was shocked that I did so well without communication, and the group leader said everybody was impressed I was doing what they were suggesting. It sounds like I'll be playing pyro.
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Highlander's a lot of fun, and Pyro's a fun class. Enjoy!
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FirstPersonShitter posted:economy chat I feel like there is actual, real world money to be made in making a TF2 stock market/auction house. Traders would like it because it lets the ~invisible hand~ declare prices instead of a 14 year old named Bradyn with aspergers, and if you included some kind of dollars to FunBux system you could rake in money from idiots trading pixels on the internet. I would do it myself if it weren't for my complete lack of relevant skills and the fear that it's probably violating a bunch of SEC rules.
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Reiley posted:It will probably start Tuesday and go through into November instead of starting last Thursday and ending on Halloween. I'm kind of annoyed we didn't get any Halloween crates. Usually those are dropping for about a week before the update hits. I know we just got 2 community crates, but damnit I was expecting new Halloween-themed unusuals.
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Baron von Eevl posted:I'm kind of annoyed we didn't get any Halloween crates. Usually those are dropping for about a week before the update hits. I'm pretty sure there will be halloween crates. Valve posted:you can show that respect by designing and uploading scary workshop items for this year's upcoming Halloween event. We're only going to ship items marked with a "Halloween 2013" tag, so remember to tag your holiday-themed items when you submit them. (You can re-upload old Halloween items that weren't accepted last time and mark them with the "Halloween 2013" tag for reconsideration.)
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FirstPersonShitter posted:I'm really friggin lovely at demoman. I'm pretty proficient at soldier but demoman just kind of eludes me. There's a lot of things people can do to get better with demo, but here's one that helped me: At medium-ish to medium-longish ranges, to get used to using the one-two combo of shooting a sticky at someone and then following up with a sticky that you detonate on them mid-flight. You'll tear through light classes and bring everything else but heavies down to low health. Also, make use of priming your stickies to set up this combo - as well as using the priming ability to launch further in general, as it can let you reach surprisingly far. Oh, also - try making use of your pipes and your stickies together sometimes. As in, just about as you set off your stickies, you are also hitting someone with pipes. In addition to being handy against heavies and overhealed enemies, this works particularly well against certain engineer nests when you need to stack burst-damage on a sentry that's being repaired, or when you can't reload your stickies in time during an uber to set them at a sentry. Now would be a good time for demopros to chime in and give a rundown on how to play the class well. I've gotten a lot better at the class lately, and am eager to cement that with learning more from way more experienced folks. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Oct 28, 2013 |
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Did chemistry sets stop dropping or did they turn them into a rare drop? I got 2 on the first days and haven't seen any other one since.
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Petiso posted:Did chemistry sets stop dropping or did they turn them into a rare drop? I got 2 on the first days and haven't seen any other one since. They still drop and they've always been a rare drop. You just got lucky.
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Spacedad posted:There's a lot of things people can do to get better with demo, but here's one that helped me: Demoman is all about knowing where to stand, and when to stand there. Hell, you really don't have to know why at all, just position yourself so that you are able to do as much damage as possible while receiving the least amount of damage in return. Granted, pipes are a difficult projectile to get good at, but they are sort of a side-act compared to the strength of the sticky launcher.
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Spacedad posted:We might keep the funhavers server running up during the week - it'd be just a normal TF2 server when there's no gimmick event going, and have halloween items enabled.
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