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Are we gonna have a new thread for Rebirth's launch? Or just keep this one as a general X thread?
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Nov 12, 2013 23:40
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Snaxx posted:Unfortunately, that's gone. Or very limited at best. Damnit - is this really true? I was annoyed enough at the loss of direct capital ship control, but after thinking about it I figured being able to sit back and manage battles from the inside of a capital ship (while watching the action from some kind of interior bridge / observation view) would've still been really awesome. If they've scaled it back even further however, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. Although I guess I have to recognize I'm in the minority - I spent huge amounts of time on the bridge of my carrier in X3 (especially once someone modded 3D bridges back in) and I strongly disagree with the developer's statements that capital ship gameplay was "boring". I just loved putting on the Battlestar Galactica battle themes, jumping into a hostile sector, and launching dozens of fighters while watching my turrets shoot everything. I'm really excited about playing this game... it's just every time I read about it, I keep finding new things I enjoyed about the franchise that they've gotten rid of and it becomes a huge downer  Edit: VVVVVVVVVVVVVVV DatonKallandor posted:Speaking of no bridges, I don't know where the idea comes from that X never had bridges for cap ships. X2 had em. This baffles me too - in fact, the 3D bridges / cockpits in the X3 mods (at least the ones I used) actually were ported right from X2. Parias fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Nov 12, 2013 |
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Nov 12, 2013 23:42
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Speaking of no bridges, I don't know where the idea comes from that X never had bridges for cap ships. X2 had em. Now I'm expecting Rebirth to basically start the series from scratch again. That means the first expansion is going to add more playable ships in the corvette size (same as the player ship). The next part of the series is going to go full on playable Capital Ships with bridges again.
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Nov 12, 2013 23:47
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DatonKallandor posted:Speaking of no bridges, I don't know where the idea comes from that X never had bridges for cap ships. X2 had em. And the 4th expansion will actually be playable.
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Nov 12, 2013 23:49
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X:BTF and X-Tension were plenty playable. They didn't have the feature creep of the later games but they did what they set out to do incredibly well.
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Nov 12, 2013 23:55
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I said come in! posted:I figure this game is going to turn out to be like X3: Reunion. We are going to have to wait a long time for patches and updates to come, and be forced to double dip to get the game we were promised in the first place. I really hope X:Rebirth is good, I love this series, but I still have low expectations either way. Other stuff to play at the moment too, with the XCom expansion out now, and BG2EE out in a couple days. Figure I'll probably wait at least a patch or two to fix the most glaring issues before I really dig in. If there were a shortage of new PC releases right now, things might be different.
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Nov 13, 2013 00:03
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Parias posted:Damnit - is this really true? I was annoyed enough at the loss of direct capital ship control, but after thinking about it I figured being able to sit back and manage battles from the inside of a capital ship (while watching the action from some kind of interior bridge / observation view) would've still been really awesome. If they've scaled it back even further however, I'm going to be extremely disappointed. Yeah that's what I would really like too. I mean it makes sense that directly controlling a capital ship would be really boring, but being on the bridge and giving commands would essentially be what I'd expect captaining one of those would be like: You give commands and your crew follows them. So you could have the cool experience of commanding a fleet battle from your flagship personally, and if poo poo goes awry jump in the Skunk and take an even more personal hand in the battle. Hopefully we'll at least still be able to dock with capital ships while out in space and command them from there rather than having to just park the Skunk somewhere nearby and give orders to the fleet.
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Nov 13, 2013 00:06
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Precisely. I definitely won't deny that during slower periods, I would hop in my fighter / transport for more menial tasks - but it also felt cool having a mobile home base to always fly back to so I could dock, go up to the bridge, and order a jump to another location, and sort of having this huge mobile base of operations with it's own logistics system that was customized and managed completely by me. This just made any capital ship battle I engaged in all the more exciting and intense (I won't even get into how much MORE awesome something like this could be if the previous games had supported co-op multiplayer...) There were a lot of cool perks to the capital ship mechanics in the previous X games and I really hope the developers aren't just waving their hands and assuming nobody liked to play with them at all. The promised sperging on capital ship-specific mechanics is why I've thrown so much money at Star Citizen, for example. I guess we'll have to see how future content updates go. To be realistic I've already thrown money at my pre-order for this game and intend to play it on day one (horrible bugs and all) - I just had to rant a bit because I hate it when developers get the wrong impression about my favorite things and take them away. I recognize though that the team is working with limited resources for a complete reboot of the game and have promised to listen closely to feedback - I'm willing to give them time and latitude to see how things develop. I've sunk way too much personal time into this franchise to do anything less.
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Nov 13, 2013 00:26
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Definitely curious to see how much of the economic game you can play in Rebirth. In X3:TC, I always liked making a boron angel one of my initial goals. It is a TP, so you can do lucrative passenger transport missions. It is also the only TP which could hold XL size cargo, making it reasonable to carry out some of the hauling missions. Expanding the number of missions you can do means more time earning money and less time looking for missions. I would then take the money I earned, buy ESTs, and go back to my missions. The ESTs helped increase trade rank, along with earning me money, which increased mission payout. It pretty much snowballs until your transport missions are paying millions. I would then move on to making complexes, and more money, until I had an industrial empire. I think I might have some sort of space-spreadsheet illness. Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Nov 13, 2013 00:40
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Dreadwroth posted:The ship's still named the "Skunk", and it has a furry on it. Bloody Egosoft. Furries can be incredibly intrusive with as many places as they try pushing their fetish, but this is loving stupid. The name and design Egosoft is using fits right in with the fighter and bomber nose art that's been prevalent since after the first World War.    Of course, aircraft art also swings the other way.   Tondelayo
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Nov 13, 2013 02:26
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The King of Swag posted:Furries can be incredibly intrusive with as many places as they try pushing their fetish, but this is loving stupid. The name and design Egosoft is using fits right in with the fighter and bomber nose art that's been prevalent since after the first World War. The difference is that none of those anthropomorphic animals seems to be sexualized, meanwhile in Rebirth 
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Nov 13, 2013 02:38
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Yeah, okay, that is pretty bad. It looks like something a modder would do. Hopefully a modder will take it out.
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Nov 13, 2013 02:39
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Speaking of noseart, this is still my favorite B24 and also what I always tend to name my first M8 bomber.
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Nov 13, 2013 02:40
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Davos posted:The difference is that none of those anthropomorphic animals seems to be sexualized, meanwhile in Rebirth Just what we need, a Furry alien race.
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Nov 13, 2013 02:43
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Davos posted:The difference is that none of those anthropomorphic animals seems to be sexualized, meanwhile in Rebirth I'll give you that; I've never seen the nose-art up-close, just from the screenshots of the ship as it's flying. From what I had seen and the way it was initially described, I pictured something more along the lines of the Lockheed Skunk Works skunk or Pepé Le Pew.
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Nov 13, 2013 02:50
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The King of Swag posted:I'll give you that; I've never seen the nose-art up-close, just from the screenshots of the ship as it's flying. From what I had seen and the way it was initially described, I pictured something more along the lines of the Lockheed Skunk Works skunk or Pepé Le Pew. Pepé Le Pew would be awesome. I hope someone mods him in.
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Nov 13, 2013 03:02
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Davos posted:The difference is that none of those anthropomorphic animals seems to be sexualized, meanwhile in Rebirth holy poo poo jesus gently caress all. well, at least I won't have to look at it.
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Nov 13, 2013 04:48
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As long as there's some alternative art you can put on your ship or if someone mods it out I'll be fine. Being forced to have that on your main ship all game would be rather...uncomfortable.
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Nov 13, 2013 05:16
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X3: Rebirth - Supporting the Furry Agenda
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Nov 13, 2013 05:44
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Davos posted:As long as there's some alternative art you can put on your ship or if someone mods it out I'll be fine. Being forced to have that on your main ship all game would be rather...uncomfortable. I recall X2 actually had built-in support to put your own custom logo on your fleet - the feature shipped with the game. It then mysteriously disappeared with future iterations. I wonder whatever happened to it? And can someone explain why the word "multiplayer" is like a pox to this game's community? I'm engaged in a thread on the official forums (first mistake, I know) regarding this, and any hint of multiplayer causes the fans to come out of the woodwork shrieking that it would ruin their precious gameplay experience and would be technically impossible to do. I get the argument that the developers only have the time to really focus on singleplayer right now, but any counter-argument I make that the gameplay doesn't have to significantly change at all (just let me have the exact same sandbox gameplay I already have, but with a friend's ship flying around damnit) and would be technically possible (make it "recommended" for LAN only if bandwidth is that big of a concern... and there are a number of other multiplayer-supporting games out there that are probably just as complicated from a network standpoint anyways) just get ignored and followed up with more complaints that it would never work and would ruin the game. What did the idea of multiplayer ever do to this community to make them hate it so badly? Parias fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Nov 13, 2013 |
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Nov 13, 2013 05:48
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Parias posted:What did the idea of multiplayer ever do to this community to make them hate it so badly? Well, X3 would be awful with multiplayer, because the game is awful without SETA.
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Nov 13, 2013 06:50
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Parias posted:What did the idea of multiplayer ever do to this community to make them hate it so badly? They tried to do it in 2000 and it never worked out for unspecified reasons. Its not technically impossible, they just couldn't do it. You can still see the old website http://www.online-universe.net/44index.htm An online X game would be awesome, but none of the X games so far are in anyway balanced for multiplayer.
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Nov 13, 2013 06:54
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Floating around in a big fuckoff carrier launching wings of fighters at my enemies was a lot of fun. I'm sure the new game will be good fun, too though. At the moment I'm more miffed about the sex skunk. e: EVE Online is the MMO X you're looking for. I like having the game be unbalanced, moddable, etc. with the single player. Plus SETA.
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Nov 13, 2013 06:58
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b0lt posted:Well, X3 would be awful with multiplayer, because the game is awful without SETA. I'm pretty sure that rebirth will not have SETA. It's funny I remember hating it the first time I played X2, now I am sad to hear it is gone. In truth it really was just an ugly hack.
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Nov 13, 2013 07:00
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b0lt posted:Well, X3 would be awful with multiplayer, because the game is awful without SETA. Aha, now that's a good point - I can see how that would need some consideration. But it sounds like that wouldn't be an issue with Rebirth. Moridin920 posted:e: EVE Online is the MMO X you're looking for. I like having the game be unbalanced, moddable, etc. with the single player. Plus SETA. Heh, I've played EVE. I want something that's more of a sim though, where I'm directly flying around in the first person. Basically.... Star Citizen, except that's not out yet. Shalebridge Cradle posted:They tried to do it in 2000 and it never worked out for unspecified reasons. Its not technically impossible, they just couldn't do it. You can still see the old website http://www.online-universe.net/44index.htm Interesting, thanks for the link. I'm referring to just having some kind of basic co-op multiplayer though, not some kind of crazy instanced deathmatch gameplay. I wouldn't think major balance changes would be needed for that.
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Nov 13, 2013 07:08
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I think the thing about multiplayer now is also that a lot of other space games, such as Star Citizen, put such a big emphasis on it and so X kind of stands as this series that should also strive to be the beacon of hope for single player space simulation
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Nov 13, 2013 07:09
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I am 99% sure Rebirth won't have SETA, because I think the highway system is designed to replace that in a much more sensible fashion, while at the same time going a long way towards solving the crashes due to shoddy AI pathing while SETA'd. I don't think we'll miss SETA except for its fast-forward-multiple-days-overnight feature, but with the removal of money printing machines that should be a moot point.
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Nov 13, 2013 08:33
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Am I reading this correctly? 2 ships, 2 fighters, many bombing runs - and a tractor?
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Nov 13, 2013 08:33
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Nektu posted:Am I reading this correctly? 2 ships, 2 fighters, many bombing runs - and a tractor? Yes. No I don't know how they got a tractor.
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Nov 13, 2013 08:57
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Orv posted:Yes. No I don't know how they got a tractor. Probably in a field operation  Anyway, I know the launch will probably be terrible mess, but I can't help myself. New X game! 
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Nov 13, 2013 09:30
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Are we gonna have a new thread for Rebirth's launch? Or just keep this one as a general X thread? Was thinking this as well seeing as the game is out Friday. It almost seems like there's a loving vacuum of information on the game so a really great OP may be difficult.
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Nov 13, 2013 17:56
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I plan on waiting to buy the game for a few months until the modders have their way. I think doing the same for a new thread might be a good idea.
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Nov 13, 2013 19:21
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There should be a new thread if only for the excuse of having SPACE SPACE SPACE SPACE SPACE SPACE as a thread title.
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Nov 13, 2013 20:20
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Davos posted:The difference is that none of those anthropomorphic animals seems to be sexualized, meanwhile in Rebirth Oh man, that's unfortunate. This has to be a joke.
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Nov 13, 2013 20:27
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standardtoaster posted:Oh man, that's unfortunate. This has to be a joke. It's not.  
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Nov 13, 2013 20:49
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Swapping a decal image is simple as poo poo and I bet within 5 mins of launch someone will have posted directions on how you can replace it with a different image or none at all.
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Nov 13, 2013 21:27
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Davos posted:The difference is that none of those anthropomorphic animals seems to be sexualized, meanwhile in Rebirth X Rebirth: 36 types of skunk fursuit
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Nov 13, 2013 21:31
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So I am just now discovering X3 due to this thread. What kind of Steam sale should I keep my eye out for (if any) if I have not yet purchased any of the series?
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Nov 13, 2013 21:33
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lunatikfringe posted:So I am just now discovering X3 due to this thread. What kind of Steam sale should I keep my eye out for (if any) if I have not yet purchased any of the series? Albion Prelude, as it contains the best content, updates and gameplay.
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Nov 13, 2013 21:40
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lunatikfringe posted:So I am just now discovering X3 due to this thread. What kind of Steam sale should I keep my eye out for (if any) if I have not yet purchased any of the series? The steam winter sale around christmas time would be the best time to look out for it. As well as Albion Prelude you'll also need to pick up Terran Conflict to be able to play it, there's a pack with both of them that will be on sale at some point.
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