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In other news I recently had an opportunity to read the Hedge Knight. It's been said before but I'd definitely recommend it. It shines a light on what it means to be a knight in this world as well as gives some background into the histories of some major and minor houses featured later in the series. I know that Martin has been approached about a tv adaptation but I'm not sure how well it would translate. At least with the Hedge Knight the amount of content may be too much for a single hour long episode but if it goes beyond two it may feel forced. I haven't read the second and third Dunk and Egg story so I'm not yet sure how those could be adapted.
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Two and three are a little too focused on the background of Westeros to be adapted to the show. It is overtly telegraphed that the events of the stories are *the reflections and remnants of the Blackfyre rebellion*, and I don't know how well monologues about it would play out on TV. *Spoilered since you haven't read them yet.
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It would be an adaptation. Especially by being so short I imagine they would have a lot of license to change it to suit the medium.
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Nov 18, 2013 19:36
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I mean I know they wouldn't take all the dialogue straight out of the stories and transplant them to an actor's mouth, but I just don't see how they can make two and three interesting enough for show-watchers to warrant trying it. Three especially is really not part of 'The Ongoing Adventures of Dunk & Egg' but some history lessons that are significant just for characterization.
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Nov 18, 2013 19:48
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MrBims posted:I mean I know they wouldn't take all the dialogue straight out of the stories and transplant them to an actor's mouth, but I just don't see how they can make two and three interesting enough for show-watchers to warrant trying it. Three especially is really not part of 'The Ongoing Adventures of Dunk & Egg' but some history lessons that are significant just for characterization. They don't have to adapt them straight though. They can adapt the first one as a movie-length episode to set up the premise, then more or less have them wander around Xena-style and have lots of minor adventures, with the plotlines we're dancing around talking about being c plots.
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Nov 18, 2013 23:01
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The Red Wedding sent me! I'll see you all in 46+ pages.
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Trivia posted:The Red Wedding sent me! I'll see you all in 46+ pages. You're probably going to want to at least finish Book 3.
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computer parts posted:You're probably going to want to at least finish Book 3. I think he means: The Red Wedding (on the show) is what got him to read the books. And he's got only 46 pages in ADWD left. That's how I interpreted it, at least. Can someone post the chapter order for AFFC/ADWD where it combines them into one huge book? I'm doing a re-read and I'm almost done with ASOS.
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Nov 20, 2013 00:59
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Here's the version I have bookmarked, though I understand there are others: http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons
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escape artist posted:I'm doing a re-read and I'm almost done with ASOS. I've done the weirdest re-read, I started with AFFC, then ADWD and finished with ASOS AGOT is pretty great and I wanna reread it but ACOK is boring in my opinion. I really think AFFC is underrated, Brienne is an fact a pretty cool girl.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I've done the weirdest re-read, I started with AFFC, then ADWD and finished with ASOS I'm more forgiving of AFFC & ADWD because it's clear the books are all setup for the next book(s). I mean, a whole lot of nothing happened in ACOK or stuff that was immediately retconned or made useless in the next book (Davos being MIA, Renly dying, etc).
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escape artist posted:Can someone post the chapter order for AFFC/ADWD where it combines them into one huge book? The one that's more established as far as I know is A Ball Of Beasts, but I'm not sure which one is "better" per se or even if there are any real differences between them since I haven't read either.
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loquacius posted:The one that's more established as far as I know is A Ball Of Beasts, but I'm not sure which one is "better" per se or even if there are any real differences between them since I haven't read either. I believe there are one or two minor chapter variations between this and what's on Boiled Leather, but it's pretty much the same thing. Ball of Beasts is a really dumb name, though.
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Reddit is currently doing a combined reread of AFFC and ADWD, and as part of the page art for the subreddit they photoshopped the AFFC and ADWD book covers together, which looks dumb because now it spells A Fence for Crons. So A Fence for Crons is now my preferred name for the combined fourth and fifth books.
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escape artist posted:I think he means: The Red Wedding (on the show) is what got him to read the books. And he's got only 46 pages in ADWD left. Read all the books after watching the Red Wedding, now I have to catch up on the 46 pages of this thread (and links therein).
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That sounds better than a Gash of Things. Maybe not as good as a Stash of Swings though.
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In It For The Tank posted:Reddit is currently doing a combined reread of AFFC and ADWD, and as part of the page art for the subreddit they photoshopped the AFFC and ADWD book covers together, which looks dumb because now it spells A Fence for Crons. Why would the reddit anything ever be your preferred anything. The ball of beasts website is the one I used. It contains two chaptering errors (two chapters without a break between them) but they are all in the correct order up to edit 6 of the source website. I also added it to Goodreads, but I know if reddit came up with a name it will be the more popular one.
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Trivia posted:Read all the books after watching the Red Wedding, now I have to catch up on the 46 pages of this thread (and links therein). Make sure you read my posts first as they're clearly the best, most of the rest is pure shite. In all seriousness - stay out of the Book Barn thread, unless you enjoy third-rate porn parodies!
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I...er, um. Hm. What??
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Let's just say that waiting years for these books to come out has done things to the people who frequent the Bad Thread. Strange and terrible things.
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Nov 20, 2013 02:33
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The book barn thread is usually pretty funny.
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It can't be worse than some of the hosed up poo poo I had to read in the books is it? I mean, the rape scene with Gregor was pretty terrible.  And Sam's fat pink mast and Gilly's lactating tits was pretty hilarious.  Does it get worse? 
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Trivia posted:It can't be worse than some of the hosed up poo poo I had to read in the books is it? They wrote an erotica book.
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Trivia posted:It can't be worse than some of the hosed up poo poo I had to read in the books is it? I'll imitate that bad thread for you in this post: "lol lemoncakes. raep. lol"
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step aside posted:They wrote an erotica book. Hahahahaha. I guess once you read enough about pink masts and rape you get clandestine ideas in your head about writing it yourself. For some reason.
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Trivia posted:Hahahahaha. I guess once you read enough about pink masts and rape you get clandestine ideas in your head about writing it yourself. Then they ironically detailed a gallery of characters such as Sensa and The Pound, parodistically drafted a chapter-by-chapter plan ensuring the sex scenes were properly spaced, sarcastically split the workload among the most enthusiastic posters, facetiously wrote 226 pages of A Game of Bones, satirically put it up for sale on Smashwords and Amazon (until Amazon removed it, can't imagine why!), playfully promoted it all over SA, and are now busy jokingly writing a sequel. What, did you think they were actually weird and creepy, like some kind of (*shudders*) redditors or something? Pfui!
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CumFart Gurantee posted:I'll imitate that bad thread for you in this post: Also GRRM fat and the books are terrible, but we can't stop reading or talking about them, or crowdwriting disgusting porn parodies of them.
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huh who would have guessed the Book Barn produced a creepy thread with bad posters, I mean, it's not like their long-time mod is a creep himself ah
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The bad thread is pretty great actually.
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Trivia posted:Read all the books after watching the Red Wedding, now I have to catch up on the 46 pages of this thread (and links therein). This is just the offseason thread where the discussion has mostly died down. That's like only reading the epilogue of a book. If anything you should read the 578 pages of the Season 3 thread. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3511797 Then you have 732 pages of the Bad Thread. (I haven't read any of this yet, but I actually do want to go through it because I imagine there's a lot of funny poo poo in it) http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3422738 And all previous iterations mentioned in the OP of that thread. Here's just an example of some of the gold you'll find contained in those threads. Kylarr posted:All I can think right now is that I really, REALLY want the show to fall flat on its face, never being picked up beyond the pilot, because seriously, gently caress GRRM. gently caress his smug attitude. Also, I don't want him to get the chance to indulge in his blatant pedophilia.
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GRRM is a rad dude if you ask me. I don't think he's a pedophille, he writes some pretty badass books and he's not even that fat anymore. Good lad.
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Even if GRRM didn't seem like a decent guy to me (which he does, except for his moments of creepiness), I'd love him just for the hate he inspires.
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webmeister posted:In all seriousness - stay out of the Book Barn thread, unless you enjoy third-rate porn parodies! Third-rate? gently caress off, we don't need your charity. Fifth-rate and proud!
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Plus the reason people keep going to The Bad Thread is that every now and n then it comes up with something like: http://tindeck.com/listen/utrz
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whowhatwhere posted:Plus the reason people keep going to The Bad Thread is that every now and n then it comes up with something like: http://tindeck.com/listen/utrz Okay well that kind of owns.
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Every single one of these posts has left me more conflicted than the last. But hooolllyyyy poo poo I'll have plenty to read about while waiting for Season 4. I somehow doubt even 75% of it will be quality though.
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whowhatwhere posted:Plus the reason people keep going to The Bad Thread is that every now and n then it comes up with something like: http://tindeck.com/listen/utrz Holy mother of God. I thought that was a parody at first until I started recognizing the lines, and realizing that it was the actual audiobook... just with a soundtrack. Oh my god that was so funny. Kudos to whoever made that!
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loquacius posted:The one that's more established as far as I know is A Ball Of Beasts, but I'm not sure which one is "better" per se or even if there are any real differences between them since I haven't read either. How come there are 71 + 45 chapters between the two books, but only 73 in this one?
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Maybe I'm a big stupid baby or whatever but I look forward to seeing the Dance epilogue on the TV show, I thought that was a pretty badass way to set up the next book.
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After reading the books and thinking back on the show I've come to appreciate some of the show inventions and also lament some of the things they couldn't really fit into the show. I like the show-only speech Yoren gets, giving Arya the idea to chant her enemies names before sleep. It simultaneously gives her a reason to pick up the practice while adding pathos to his death. RIP you big black bear. I also appreciate the changes to Gendry, making him a more fully formed character, and tying him back to Stannis' storying (as geographically impossible as it may be). Introducing more characters wasn't gonna fit and you got the tearjerking "You wouldn't be my family...you'd be my lady"  I like the scenes with King Robert you don't get to see in the books, with Cersei and with Barristan. I mostly like the change with Dany's book two storyline, because there actually is conflict there, there is danger and a reason for her to go to the House of the Undying, though her visions are radically different and who knows what that means. What's too bad is that you lose all the interesting players in court at King's Landing. There are no Kettleblacks. The Kingsguard and the City Watch are all nameless and faceless soldiers, all of them replaceable. This is excusable, there simply isn't the time to put those things in. There is no Kevan Lannister, there is no Mountain (not really anyway), Bolton barely has a part to play before the Red Wedding. The showrunners don't seem to be able to plan in advance to set up storylines that come a season along. Theon's season 2 storyline is done really well (I actually like the change to have him execute Rodrik, and his speech at the end), but I don't see why Reek/Ramsay shouldn't have had a part to play, the confusion as to what happened with the Ironborn and Winterfell didn't really help Theon's storyline at all. They've basically made things much more difficult for themselves after season 4 unless they want to really change a whole bunch of stuff around. The groundwork just isn't laid there, they've sacrificed a whole lot of it to make earlier season stuff go more smoothly. Maybe not though, the showrunners have been really creative and perhaps they'll think of easy ways around some of the more tricky stuff coming up. Given some of the shifts around with Yarra/Asha, perhaps that's the road they're taking. Mike N Eich fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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