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have we stumbled into bizarro land? I just don't get what is going on with the characters anymore, what the hell.
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ApplesandOranges posted:
Not exactly. If they're going up against someone with 1 BP left, betraying while they pick ally would end up killing them. Except for Dio, I don't think any of the characters would be willing to kill for one extra point. Also, Alice only allied because she was against Clover, who she's apparently friends with, and Quark, who's a kid.
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Nov 22, 2013 00:19
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I'm guessing Quark got to the button before Dio had a chance to react. gently caress Dio.
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Nov 22, 2013 00:26
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DaveWoo posted:Geez, Alice. At least try to act a little remorseful. And instead tried to convince Quark to betray.
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Nov 22, 2013 00:27
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Kay Kessler posted:Not exactly. If they're going up against someone with 1 BP left, betraying while they pick ally would end up killing them. Except for Dio, I don't think any of the characters would be willing to kill for one extra point. Except that almost every time in this scenario, the only people that can match up against someone with 1 BP will have 6 BP. That one point would mean them being able to escape. That would make option 2 the best choice though - Sigma and Phi can come to an agreement to double Ally and Luna'd be willing to go with it. I don't think Clover would risk Betraying to kill Tenmyouji, and at the same time I don't think Tenmyouji would be inclined to Betray unless he really wants to escape that 1 BP zone. There's Quark+K+Alice, who will either Betray to keep the other from winning or come to some mutual agreement to Ally.
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Nov 22, 2013 00:29
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There's really not much point in speculating about which door to choose because we haven't even gotten to the "who doesn't trust who" section yet that cuts off the options.
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Nov 22, 2013 02:09
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This scene made me appreciate the fact that Alice was stabbed to death in the other pathway.  And I love how now it's Quark who's saying that Dio was up to something shifty in the AB Room. 
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Nov 22, 2013 02:16
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Is Dio semi-colourblind? Why was he puzzled whether he had Magneta or not?
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Nov 22, 2013 02:24
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Eeepies posted:Is Dio semi-colourblind? Why was he puzzled whether he had Magneta or not? Oh I'm sure this will NEVER come up
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Nov 22, 2013 02:27
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I bet he was just internally debating in his head "Is this purple? Or magenta? poo poo, I don't want to sound like an idiot, which one is it?"
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Nov 22, 2013 02:30
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My money's on him being Magenta/Cyan colorblind, although that's not a weird enough disorder for the sequel to 999.
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Nov 22, 2013 02:36
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Could *you* tell the difference between purple and magenta on demand?
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Nov 22, 2013 02:49
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Poland Spring posted:My money's on him being Magenta/Cyan colorblind, although that's not a weird enough disorder for the sequel to 999. "Actually, Dio, I'm a Cyan solo."
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Nov 22, 2013 02:58
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Luna is Zero. Dio picked Ally because he knows.
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Nov 22, 2013 03:28
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Or Dio is illiterate. He just hit a button randomly in the first round and remembered the shape of the first letter - if he was told he hit betray, he kept pressing the same one in later rounds; if he was told he hit ally, he'll just switch it up and press the other button from then on. We haven't seen him need to actually read yet, after all
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Nov 22, 2013 03:36
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Honestly, that would explain him not knowing Schrodinger's cat.
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Nov 22, 2013 03:53
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I don't understand any of this, something really screwy is going on here. Was the discovery of the old woman the variable that altered the equation here? Also, I believe Quark might have been the one doing the voting in all three pathways. BECAUSE QUARK IS ZERO SR. 
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Nov 22, 2013 04:59
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The variable that changed the equation was the pairings. Alice has only ever been with K and Clover before, and while it's unknown if K has played the nonary game before, Alice and Clover are definitely in on something. Maybe Alice wanted to ally with Clover, but K chose betray, or maybe Clover chose betray herself... either way, Sigma and Phi are seen as mysterious by knowing more than they ought, and know we KNOW them to have connection from a previous game. 999 Spoilers: I'm thinking Phi will be this game's Santa equivalent. I think she's running part of this show, hence her knowledge on the subject and people in it. That might also explain her voting rational to some degree as well...
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Nov 22, 2013 05:46
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Maybe in this iteration Quark hasn't been infected with Radical-6 and so he was able to act faster then Dio. There's a whole bunch of little hints that the true ending is somewhere along this branch.
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Nov 22, 2013 06:57
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Goddamn, Alice this round was just insufferable. Okay already, keep rubbing it in how goddamn stupid we were to trust you. Have fun in round 2 when it's impossible for Clover to pair up with you, I guess.Sentient Data posted:Or Dio is illiterate. He just hit a button randomly in the first round and remembered the shape of the first letter - if he was told he hit betray, he kept pressing the same one in later rounds; if he was told he hit ally, he'll just switch it up and press the other button from then on. We haven't seen him need to actually read yet, after all Bruceski posted:"Actually, Dio, I'm a Cyan solo." Dio is Zero Sr. and he set up this whole drat game cause it seemed easier than learning how to read a book.
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Nov 22, 2013 08:07
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The other difference this path is that Quark and Dio went through the yellow door, which is the infirmary. If Quark grabbed the injector and tubocurarine in there, they might have given him the threat he needed to force Dio to hit Ally. That would also mean that Quark's already violently insane at this point, but I feel comfortable making that assumption.
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Nov 22, 2013 10:04
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ToastGhost posted:The variable that changed the equation was the pairings. Alice has only ever been with K and Clover before. Alice was with Dio and Quark before, they went betray while she chose ally. She allied with Dio over us, sure she had no idea at the time that he's a jerk but still... DIO.
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Nov 22, 2013 11:04
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I just had a neat idea, what if they made a game like this, complete with multiple, subtle factors changing each playthrough, and then secretly made 1/3 of the copies contain factor X, Y, or Z, and you'd only know if you played like 75% of the game. It'd make those old kid claims of "MY COPY IS DIFFERENT" a lot more interesting.
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Nov 22, 2013 11:08
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Mister Roboto posted:I just had a neat idea, what if they made a game like this, complete with multiple, subtle factors changing each playthrough, and then secretly made 1/3 of the copies contain factor X, Y, or Z, and you'd only know if you played like 75% of the game. Or have it read the device's serial number and use that as a seed for the RNG. Ah, the days before the internet where you could argue for hours over what would happen if you could beat Mortal Kombat on the hardest difficulty without ever getting touched or beating Armored Armadillo's stage 10 times in a row without taking damage.
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Nov 22, 2013 12:42
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Zandar posted:That would also mean that Quark's already violently insane at this point, but I feel comfortable making that assumption. The disease doesn't make you violent to others does it? They just said it makes you want to kill yourself. Actually, that's given me a though. What if the old lady wasn't murdered? What if she had Anime Future Pandemic Disease and committed suicide?
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Nov 22, 2013 14:09
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DWK posted:The disease doesn't make you violent to others does it? They just said it makes you want to kill yourself. That's a fair point, but really I feel comfortable assuming that anyone in this game is capable of axe-murdering at any point.
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Nov 22, 2013 16:50
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DWK posted:Actually, that's given me a though. What if the old lady wasn't murdered? What if she had Anime Future Pandemic Disease and committed suicide? If she committed suicide, the knife would still be in her body instead of hidden between the two Ambidex rooms.
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GeneralYeti posted:If she committed suicide, the knife would still be in her body instead of hidden between the two Ambidex rooms. Or maybe Zero Sr knew about the infection and suicide, but hid the knife to either sew distrust among the group or stop others from thinking she was infected (assuming others knew about the symptoms of R6)
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Nov 22, 2013 17:11
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In Alice's defence, it wasn't just Sigma she was up against, but Phi.. and given the way she instantly knew about the prisoners dilemma, and Phi's general attitude when it comes to cold rationalisation, she may well have just assumed that she'd have convinced Sigma that the logical answer was to pick Betray, and gone with that just to not lose points. Though I'm firmly in the Sigma camp really, if you're going by that logic, everyone should just ally all the time But yeah, rubbing it in is a bit of dickish move
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Nov 22, 2013 19:45
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FluffySquirrel posted:In Alice's defence, it wasn't just Sigma she was up against, but Phi.. and given the way she instantly knew about the prisoners dilemma, Did Phi mention the Prisoners' Dilemma before they were locked in separate AB rooms? I would doubt it, since they didn't even hear the rules of the Ambidex Game before that time. So Alice wouldn't know that part.
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Nov 23, 2013 01:06
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So, after all this, I resubmit the best solution to all this: the mutual murder pact. Agree on an outcome, and anyone who doesn't go along with the group consensus gets killed by the rest of the group. Not looking so bad now after all the poo poo people pulled, huh?
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Nidoking posted:Did Phi mention the Prisoners' Dilemma before they were locked in separate AB rooms? I would doubt it, since they didn't even hear the rules of the Ambidex Game before that time. So Alice wouldn't know that part. Everyone knows the Prisoner's Dilemma (especially in a series like this). It doesn't really matter whether Phi mentioned it or not.
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Clarste posted:Everyone knows the Prisoner's Dilemma (especially in a series like this). It doesn't really matter whether Phi mentioned it or not. The original argument was "Because Phi knew about the Prisoners' Dilemma, her team would vote Betray, therefore Alice should vote Betray when opposing Phi." If you change the premise to "Everyone knows about the Prisoners' Dilemma," then the conclusion becomes "Alice will vote Betray every time," which clearly hasn't happened. So I don't think you're restating the argument quite correctly.
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Nov 23, 2013 03:06
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Also, Dio doesn't know Schrodinger's cat, I doubt he knows the prisoner's dilemma. And Quark is like 10.
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So if I'm reading this correctly we're paired with Luna. Oh man, we absolutely have to hit betray this time, preferably against Phi. I want to see Luna's reaction when we betray someone on 1 point.
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Sentient Data posted:Or Dio is illiterate. He just hit a button randomly in the first round and remembered the shape of the first letter - if he was told he hit betray, he kept pressing the same one in later rounds; if he was told he hit ally, he'll just switch it up and press the other button from then on. We haven't seen him need to actually read yet, after all I know it's a joke, but Fedule posted:
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Nov 23, 2013 04:44
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Someone in the cast has to have some sort of weird disorder, somewhere! Maybe Quark has that thing that Brooke Greenberg had and actually is in his 40s or some weird poo poo like that. And is Sigma's clone. WE NEED MORE WEIRD
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Nov 23, 2013 05:29
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Poland Spring posted:Someone in the cast has to have some sort of weird disorder, somewhere!
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Nov 23, 2013 05:51
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Endorph posted:Did you miss Sigma's cat thing? I'm purr-etty sure nobody could miss that
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GeneralYeti posted:I'm purr-etty sure nobody could miss that Ok ok, but in order to qualify this has to be a major plot point somewhere in the story. 
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