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Volkerball posted:Nobody thought he was so bad that Louis Murphy would be better than him at every phase of the game as rookies. Actually I remember during the draft specifically Deion sanders (or cris carter maybe?) said "Oakland just picked a receiver who is better than their top 10 pick!" I liked Murphy at Florida and thought he had a real shot. I liked him more than Riley cooper, who I DID like, so it's surprising to me he's doing so well compared to Murphy who can't beat out the Carolina receiving crew (well, mostly ted Ginn I suppose)
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Volkerball posted:He's broke permanently now? What? Your argument belongs in preseason 2009. The bottom line is that even for what DHB was sold as, a fast, tall guy with no experience and bad hands, he quickly showed that he was far behind. Nobody thought he was so bad that Louis Murphy would be better than him at every phase of the game as rookies. He dropped balls when there was no one ten yards around him almost every time out. Lost huge games like that. He was dominated at the line of scrimmage, and his routes were godawful. You expect better from a UFA that earned a roster spot. The fact that he's come from that to a great run blocker, a solid route runner, and has developed beautiful body positioning, enough so to warrant another contract with another team after he got cut, is really a testament to how good Are you allergic to comedy? He hate me. The Raiders would've been roasted for picking any WR at that spot because they were picking for need and there wasn't a WR in that draft worth a top ten pick. DHB is broke as gently caress because the knock on him going into the draft was that he was raw as raw gets. If his hands are poo poo clearly he has not been taught all the parts of "hands" that can be taught. If he's letting the ball bounce off his hands it's not a hand-eye coordination thing. No human being in the world can react in the one tenth of a second the ball is touching his hands to catch it. DHB clearly doesn't understand his hand spacing or that the act of catching the ball had more to do with friction. Gregg Knapp had exactly one year with a guy who was a three year project when he was drafted and DHB is broke now because the first two years he was in the league none of his bad habits were corrected and now some of them have become permanent. DHB is no longer in the developmental stage of his career, this is his ceiling. This is what broke means.
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SlipUp posted:Are you allergic to comedy? He hate me. Yep, exactly. His first two years, none of his bad habits were corrected, and then his third season, he got 1,000 yards receiving, and then, AAA DOLFAN posted:Actually I remember during the draft specifically Deion sanders (or cris carter maybe?) said "Oakland just picked a receiver who is better than their top 10 pick!" I remember Cris Carter on draft day laughing about the DHB pick screaming how he wasn't even all-ACC. He was HONORABLE MENTION. After his rookie season, I thought Murphy was going to be a top two receiver in Oakland for a while. Sucks he didn't work out. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Nov 21, 2013 |
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Volkerball posted:Yep, exactly. His first two years, none of his bad habits were corrected, and then his third season, he got 1,000 yards receiving, and then, his coach was fired for the second time in as many years. It's great you think Knapp is super awesome and all but even he can't whip a project into shape for the rest of his career in one season. It's all there in the post you dismissed with half of a witty one liner.
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SlipUp posted:his coach was fired for the second time in as many years. It's great you think Knapp is super awesome and all but even he can't whip a project into shape for the rest of his career in one season. It's all there in the post you dismissed with half of a witty one liner. The first season DHB played under Knapp was 2012. His second and third season, the offense didn't change. Hue Jackson was the offensive coordinator and head coach each of those years. You're associating DHB with the shitshow 07-09 Raiders, but all his development was under the 2010-11 8-8 top ten offense Raiders. I mean as a top ten pick as a rookie, other than like the Falcons trading up for Julio Jones, you couldn't really get a whole lot better off.
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The rookie year is the most critical year for development, so yeah I think his 09 rookie season hurt his development pretty badly. In regards to 2010-2011, I already made my feelings known about Ted Tollner in my first post. Despite playing in Hue's offense, him and Lal were the guys responsible for his development and for what it's worth I think Lal is awful too. I did make a mistake though, Gregg Knapp didn't get him til year 4.
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I don't think there's a single Raiders fan that likes Gregg "Seriously guys zone blocking will totally work this time" Knapp.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:I don't think there's a single Raiders fan that likes Gregg "Seriously guys zone blocking will totally work this time" Knapp. Or Seahawks fans, for that matter. In draft news, DT Louis Nix will have surgery on a torn meniscus and is done for the year. The question now is if he declares and risks not being 100 percent for the Combine, or just stays at Notre Dame another year to try to get better game tape.
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defiantgiant posted:Also, I'm starting to wonder if this is the year when the Bears draft a QB to develop behind Cutler. If Derek Carr falls to their second-round pick, I wonder if they'd pull the trigger. He's sort of intriguing: if Trestman could improve his mechanics under pressure and coach him to get the ball out on time (the way he has with Cutler and McCown,) it seems like he could be a pretty good QB. I'm a big Cutler fan, but I would love it if they went the Aaron Rodgers route and had a guy waiting behind him, learning the offense for like 3 years. I've been hoping the same thing but with Murray in the the third round. Other than being a bit small, most of his problems seem mechanical or mental. So if Trestman lives up to his billing as a QB Whisperer that seems like something he could shape into a decent starter in a few years.
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That Auburn game was so sad. Murray single handedly engineers that drive with an amazing effort charging through a defender on 4th down for the score and no one will ever remember it. A good heads up play by the receiver but Auburn deserved to lose, or more accurately, Aaron Murray deserved to win.
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Hey its never too early for a mock draft, and certainly not too early for one with 3 QB's in the top 5. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/2014-nfl-draft-report-full-first-round-mock-222745657--nfl.html edit: And 4 in the top 7, Derek Carr 
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SteelAngel2000 posted:Derek Carr is really good though I know he is good but this thread alrady went over a lot of his drawbacks. He could easily go in the top 10, stranger things have happened, but I am not putting money on it.
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swickles posted:Hey its never too early for a mock draft, and certainly not too early for one with 3 QB's in the top 5. Manziel at five? I'm in. 
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Benne posted:Bradley Roby has officially declared for the draft. Not only is Loucheiz Purifoy the best CB on the board, he might be the 7th-best WR on the board too.
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Mock drafts have been pretty accurate about the Ravens the past few years so all these Mike Evanses I'm seeing are pretty cool. Still, its November and it all means nothing.
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It's fun being a Bears fan because no mock is going to correctly figure out who Phil Emery is going to draft in the early rounds. Like, it should be fairly obvious our needs are S DT and CB but he could go hog wild and take a fullback or something just to be a draft hipster.
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swickles posted:Hey its never too early for a mock draft, and certainly not too early for one with 3 QB's in the top 5. Oh God Cleveland trading up for Mettenberger I wish this was real Also, I was very excited to see this draft and be mad about who they have the Steelers taking. But I would be down with either Jace Amaro or Cyrus Kouandjio so I cant even be mad.
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swickles posted:Hey its never too early for a mock draft, and certainly not too early for one with 3 QB's in the top 5.
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I've noticed that Ekpre-Olomu's stats have dropped significantly this year. People who watch Oregon, is this because QBs aren't throwing at him, or was last season a fluke?
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Oh god I'm realizing Clowney is coming to the NFC South pretty much guaranteed. gently caress.
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WinnebagoWarrior posted:Oh God Cleveland trading up for Mettenberger I wish this was real The browns already have the Colts' first round pick welcome to week 3
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Barudak posted:Oh god I'm realizing Clowney is coming to the NFC South pretty much guaranteed. gently caress. AFC South's got your back for now (unless the Texans do something really dumb).
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computer parts posted:AFC South's got your back for now (unless the Texans do something really dumb). Atlanta and Tampa are currently #3 and #4 and in theory neither of them is has QB needs. Please lose more Texas?
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Rap posted:The browns already have the Colts' first round pick welcome to week 3 True. I misread the article. The Browns have been drafting well recently so its my dream for them to have two first round draft picks in two separate drafts and blow the second on terrible quarterbacks both times.
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Parmesan Basil posted:Hey a mock that say the Chiefs aren't drafting a tackle again sweet awesome whoa You lie.
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Barudak posted:Atlanta and Tampa are currently #3 and #4 and in theory neither of them is has QB needs. Please lose more Texas? I meant more the Texans are playing the Jags twice in three weeks. 
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computer parts posted:I meant more the Texans are playing the Jags twice in three weeks. You know how most of us are joking about dropping a game to them? We're only half joking. It'll probably be TNF too, just to make sure 25 people see it instead of 6.
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No Butt Stuff posted:You lie. It mostly happens because people who make mock drafts don't watch Chiefs games unless they are in primetime.
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Blitz7x posted:I'm not ready for the Raiders to grab another WR in the first round They'll pick a FS while Clowney Lotulelei's his way on by. 
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Oakland really picked a crap year to out do expectations. Clowney the Raider would be poetry.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Oakland really picked a crap year to out do expectations. Clowney the Raider would be poetry. They can always trade a couple 1st round picks for him when he's in his 30's.
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WinnebagoWarrior posted:True. I misread the article. The Browns have been drafting well recently so its my dream for them to have two first round draft picks in two separate drafts and blow the second on terrible quarterbacks both times. Don't worry, they probably will.
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computer parts posted:AFC South's got your back for now (unless the Texans do something really dumb). Just to gently caress with the fanbase I really hope the Texans have a high draft pick and draft Derek Carr.
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b0ng posted:Just to gently caress with the fanbase I really hope the Texans have a high draft pick and draft Derek Carr. Carr could be good but I'd rather get Manziel and own fools while trollin' the fanbase. 
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b0ng posted:Just to gently caress with the fanbase I really hope the Texans have a high draft pick and draft Derek Carr. Well hey, the best way to get really good at something is to do it over and over again. Expect Donald Carr to lead the Texans to a Superbowl in 2040. if the NFL lasts that long
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