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thexerox123 posted:Have you seen the original UK series? It's even better, and ends on the perfect note. Ha ha what? You've got it way backwards. There is no sympathizing with David Brent, he is a deservedly contemptible little man. A totally clueless, horrible self centered man. That's what makes the Office brilliant, watching this delusional guy stumble through his miserable life. Michael Scott is not as bad and at least shows moments of being human over the course of the series.
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Dec 3, 2013 10:10
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Wandle Cax posted:Ha ha what? You've got it way backwards. There is no sympathizing with David Brent, he is a deservedly contemptible little man. A totally clueless, horrible self centered man. That's what makes the Office brilliant, watching this delusional guy stumble through his miserable life. Michael Scott is not as bad and at least shows moments of being human over the course of the series. Really, it's moments like the Halloween party that really got me. He's an rear end but, jesus, the guy just looks so loving pathetic.
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Dec 3, 2013 13:46
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In House of Cards does Kevin Spacey turning to the camera and doing smarmy monologues go beyond the first episode? It's infuriating on almost every level.
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Dec 3, 2013 14:10
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Nope he doesn't do it again
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Dec 3, 2013 14:12
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Pretty much every episode.
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Dec 3, 2013 14:17
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Guess I won't be watching it then, thanks.
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Dec 3, 2013 15:01
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Eau de MacGowan posted:In House of Cards does Kevin Spacey turning to the camera and doing smarmy monologues go beyond the first episode? It's infuriating on almost every level. The camera turning stuff is one of the best facets of the character. He's such an rear end in a top hat, but he's so good at it. Plus, Kevin Spacey is just naturally charming as hell.
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Dec 3, 2013 15:16
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Its still probably worth a shot. House of Cards manages to be an entertaining and captivating show despite shallow exploration of relatively bland observations. Its the serialized equivalent of a really good episode of Law and Order. With drat fine production values. Other than the occasional monologue, they usually dial back the length of Underwood's asides to a few sentences or Jim Halpert style mugging. And they become less grating when you start to realize those chest-thumping asides are less about breaking the 4th wall to put us inside a mastermind's head than they are about showing Frank's weakness in reassuring and reasserting himself, occasionally even in the face of entirely opposite circumstances surrounding him.
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Dec 3, 2013 15:34
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Haha Hostages is so bad the AV Club reviewer gave it a sarcastic A.quote:To give "Off The Record" an F is to merely acknowledge what is obvious. This show is garbage. Hostages is reheated disaster fare, too disappointing to be shocking, and too tepid to be fun. In its 11th hour it has taken the odd move of throwing every possible plot development at the wall at the same time, as if none of it before ever mattered. The approach all but guarantees that nothing the show does from here on out will ever matter again.
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Dec 3, 2013 15:56
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Is there a chart somewhere that just tells me when I should stop watching a show? It seems like barely any are as good at the beginning as they are at the end. I mean, other media doesn't have this problem, why is it just TV?
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Dec 3, 2013 15:57
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Austrian mook posted:Is there a chart somewhere that just tells me when I should stop watching a show? It seems like barely any are as good at the beginning as they are at the end. I mean, other media doesn't have this problem, why is it just TV? The only correct answer to this is when you're tired of it. Anyone else giving you a different answer is objectively wrong.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:01
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Hmmm well, the chart I use is when my loving brain tells me I'm not enjoying the show anymore.Deadpool posted:Anyone else giving you a different answer is objectively wrong. Except me when I say "Stop watching Heroes after the first season".
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Dec 3, 2013 16:01
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Deadpool posted:The only correct answer to this is when you're tired of it. Anyone else giving you a different answer is objectively wrong. zoux posted:Hmmm well, the chart I use is when my loving brain tells me I'm not enjoying the show anymore. So you don't think there are any shows that have dips in quality, only to return to form later?
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Dec 3, 2013 16:02
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Austrian mook posted:It seems like barely any are as good at the beginning as they are at the end. I mean, other media doesn't have this problem, why is it just TV? Musicians get progressively less relevant as they age. Movie sequels are notoriously awful. Book sequels, if they're ever finished, are typically worse than the original (Harry Potter being the exception that proves the rule). The only media that improves over time are video games, and really only because they have to keep up with the standards of the day.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:05
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Irish Joe posted:Musicians get progressively less relevant as they age. Movie sequels are notoriously awful. Book sequels, if they're ever finished, are typically worse than the original (Harry Potter being the exception that proves the rule). The only media that improves over time are video games, and really only because they have to keep up with the standards of the day. I don't like any of the Harry Potters that much aside from the 3rd but maybe that's because I'm weird. (Also I only remember the movies it's been a while since I read the books)
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Dec 3, 2013 16:10
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thexerox123 posted:So you don't think there are any shows that have dips in quality, only to return to form later? It's very rare. Friday Night Lights pulled it together after a second season marred by some terrible choices. Supernatural seasons 1, 6, and 7 were, by my understanding, uneven at best and dull at worst. That's literally all I can think of, though.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:14
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DivisionPost posted:It's very rare. Friday Night Lights pulled it together after a second season marred by some terrible choices. Supernatural seasons 1, 6, and 7 were, by my understanding, uneven at best and dull at worst. I wouldn't call it that rare. Six Feet Under had a season that I just hated getting through, but then it went on to have one of the best series finales of all time. I'm sure everyone's encountered at least one show that lost them for awhile but went on to redeem itself.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:16
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thexerox123 posted:I wouldn't call it that rare. Six Feet Under had a season that I just hated getting through, but then it went on to have one of the best series finales of all time. Which one? Just curious.
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DivisionPost posted:It's very rare. Friday Night Lights pulled it together after a second season marred by some terrible choices. Supernatural seasons 1, 6, and 7 were, by my understanding, uneven at best and dull at worst. Walking Dead is an obvious one happening currently.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:18
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EvilTobaccoExec posted:Which one? It's been awhile... I think it was season 3? Or possibly 4. (But I think it was 3.) I know other people who stalled at the same place, whichever it was. I guess I should rewatch SFU at some point, my memory of it is pretty hazy.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:24
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I didn't like Season 3 either, it was the one with Lisa. For the first half it felt like it was a dream and none of it was happening. And then the finale had a stupidly shocking ending that came out of nowhere. Overall really forgettable season and they kept trying to shoehorn Brenda into the story.
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Dec 3, 2013 16:28
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thexerox123 posted:So you don't think there are any shows that have dips in quality, only to return to form later? That wasn't the question. The question was whether there was a guide or chart to when one should stop watching a show. The only person that should decide this is the person watching the show. Other people's opinions on the quality shouldn't really dictate when someone should stop watching a show. It doesn't hurt to get opinions on what other people think of the path of the show but asking for definitive jump off points based in some stranger's opinion is just not the way to do it. Just watch a show until you don't want to watch it anymore. It really is that simple. X-O fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 3, 2013 |
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Dec 3, 2013 16:31
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Austrian mook posted:Is there a chart somewhere that just tells me when I should stop watching a show? It seems like barely any are as good at the beginning as they are at the end. I mean, other media doesn't have this problem, why is it just TV? I agree with the people who said you should stop watching when you decide it's time to stop watching, but that said, yes, there are charts: http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/
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Dec 3, 2013 16:32
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Deadpool posted:That wasn't the question. The question was was there a guide or chart to when one should stop watching a show. The only person that should decide this is the person watching the show. Other people's opinions on the quality shouldn't really dictate when someone should stop watching a show. It doesn't hurt to get opinions on what other people think if the path of the show but asking for definitive jump off points based in some stranger's opinion is just not the way to do it. But my point was, if you follow that rule, then you might stop during one of these dips in quality and miss out on some really great stuff. I've soldiered through bits of shows that I hated because reliable sources told me that there was good stuff still to come. Edit: I guess that's what you meant about getting opinions on what other people think of the path of the show, but I don't see how that's really any different from checking out a chart of those opinions and taking that with a grain of salt. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Dec 3, 2013 |
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Dec 3, 2013 16:34
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DivisionPost posted:It's very rare. Friday Night Lights pulled it together after a second season marred by some terrible choices. Supernatural seasons 1, 6, and 7 were, by my understanding, uneven at best and dull at worst. Parks and Rec doesn't come to mind?
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Dec 3, 2013 16:59
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IRQ posted:Parks and Rec doesn't come to mind? P&R is still tailspinning into mediocrity, though.
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Irish Joe posted:P&R is still tailspinning into mediocrity, though. You're not funny when you're obvious, man.
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Dec 3, 2013 17:09
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Irish Joe posted:P&R is still tailspinning into mediocrity, though. I feel like we are living in a sitcom, and one of the punch lines is, "and there's Irish Joe!" <queue Irish Joe theme>
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Dec 3, 2013 17:11
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The Killing did a rather amazing about face in the third season.
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Hey I know a lot of y'all hate Dan Harmon, but on the most recent episode of Harmontown he had on his good friend and creator of TVIV favorite Arrested Development Mitch Hurwitz and they bullshit and ruminate about the process behind creating television and it's loving spellbinding. What's most interesting is how Hurwitz and Harmon even admit how similar their situations were when creating their shows, and Hurwitz shows behind the veil on the difficulties getting his creative vision accomplished within the confines of the restrictions 20th Century Fox placed on him- for instance, he mentions how the entire "Wait, Gary's gay?" scene almost got cut. Oh also Hurwitz roleplays a bird in an episode of D and D. So i guess my point is if you care at all about how TV is made and more specifically how one of the commonly-considered greatest sitcoms of all time WAS made then you should really listen to this podcast. It's loving fascinating poo poo. Here.
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Irish Joe posted:P&R is still tailspinning into mediocrity, though. zoux posted:He's right though. What you both deserve: 
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Dec 3, 2013 17:26
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It's not bad by any stretch yet, but the characters are starting to become caricatures. Especially Ron. You can see it coming, and I hope they end it soon and gracefully.
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Dec 3, 2013 17:28
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zoux posted:It's not bad by any stretch yet, but the characters are starting to become caricatures. Especially Ron. You can see it coming, and I hope they end it soon and gracefully. "Starting to"? The Swanson Pyramid of Greatness was in the first episode of season three! For me, Parks and Rec became unwatchable somewhere in the middle of season four. The Louis CK return episode was horrible and was probably the last straw.
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Dec 3, 2013 17:52
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Let's play a fun game: post the intro/credits scenes of TV shows that you had no idea existed and probably no one else did either; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN-jx3yMNuM
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Dec 3, 2013 18:07
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The sooner P&R ends the better remembered it will be. I already struggle to give a poo poo week by week.
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Dec 3, 2013 18:21
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zoux posted:Let's play a fun game: post the intro/credits scenes of TV shows that you had no idea existed and probably no one else did either; This intro was cast from the same mold as the Full House intro. It's eerie.
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PriorMarcus posted:The sooner P&R ends the better remembered it will be. I already struggle to give a poo poo week by week. I have an affection for the characters, but I've got multiple episodes queuing up on my DVR while Brooklyn 9-9 gets watched immediately. There's been some nice bits (Patton Oswalt's Star Wars rant, etc.), but the laughs just aren't that dense anymore.
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I think Deep Space Nine got consistently better with the seasons with exception of almost everything to do with the Pah Wraiths. Pretty much also Terminator:SCC, Caprica, and Stargate Universe survived rough patches to start going through a really good upswing, IMO, just to have them cancelled. For all the hate Stargate Universe got, I did rather enjoy the show. Edit: I think I've mentioned this in this thread, too, but there are some shows that I've watched that I can also say you can skip a very large chunk of and not miss anything except some unimpressive episodes. The Awesomes can be completely skipped except for the first episode or two and the final four or five. It doesn't get really good or anything, but it gets a lot better in those windows. Similarly, the Dirty Pair anime can likely be skipped for most of its first 10 episodes. You can likely start up going from episode 1 then jump to 10 or 11 for a much better experience. JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Dec 3, 2013 |
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