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3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.
More or less, he said it was licensing. They don't have any pricing out yet, but he did also say something about multiple license models, e.g., academic vs. full :spergin: training sim. I have no clue if that means they're going to limit features or add more (but I could guess).

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i am kiss u now
Dec 26, 2005


College Slice
Bought the academic version of P3Dv2 today and was finally able to tune it about on par with FSX but it just looks so much sexier and also VOLUMETRIC FOG. West Coast flying just got a whole lot better. I love my FSX but I think it's about time I wiped my system clean and start over with P3D. I was having trouble getting some add ons to work properly (that claim to be P3D compatible i.e Airbus X extended) so once these and the "black screen" issue get worked out is when I'll say goodbye to FSX.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Oh hey, Rise of Flight and its DLC packs are 50% off on Steam. I wonder what the odds of it being on Daily or Flash sale are. This is Rise of Flight's first major sale since getting on steam, yeah?

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
High enough to warrant waiting 'til the third. There's no reason not to, especially if you buy it the day before it goes on a daily.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Oh I definitely plan to wait. I really do hope it gets an extra discount, 66% would be great (to say nothing of 75%). If not I'll probably just pick up the base set and then maybe some of the DLC during the winter/holiday sale.

sellouts
Apr 23, 2003

At this point I would wait for the winter sale or whatever it's called.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


The email leaked by some dumb indie dev a month or so ago said that the sale prices would be the same in the Black Friday and holiday sales.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




How do I understand whether if a joystick with a 'hard centre' or a 'soft centre' is better for me, if I am buying joystick for first time and I have no options to try any joystick whatsoever.

Das Butterbrot
Dec 2, 2005
Lecker.

kalstrams posted:

How do I understand whether if a joystick with a 'hard centre' or a 'soft centre' is better for me, if I am buying joystick for first time and I have no options to try any joystick whatsoever.

If by "hard center" you mean a stick that instead of moving around has sensors that detect the pressure you apply I can definitely recommend those (for modern combat sims at least). I had an X52 which after about a year got the faulty rudder axis problem that many people have been reporting. I upgraded to an X65-F and never looked back. Precise movements are wayyyyy easier with a stick like that imo and you can adjust pressure sensitivity on the fly!

Anyone following DCS development? The module I've been looking forward to the most, DCS:Mig-21Bis, had it's release date pushed back to march 2014 :( But holy poo poo does it look good. It even surpasses DCS:A10 in fidelity from the screenshots they've shown so far.

Here, have some cockpit porn:





:fap:

The lead developer being a Mig-21 pilot really helps :D

Das Butterbrot fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Nov 29, 2013

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Das Butterbrot posted:

If by "hard center" you mean a stick that instead of moving around has sensors that detect the pressure you apply I can definitely recommend those (for modern combat sims at least).

My bad, I do not know terminology for that in English. What I have meant is that "hard center" is when you distinctly feel the center of the joystick, whereas "soft center" is that you do not really feel the center point, i.e. you can easily move through it. I am not sure (That is why I ask, huh.), but I think that "hard center" joysticks are stronger returning to center than the latter.

Gorgeous cockpits, by the way.

Jimb
Feb 14, 2005
As mentioned before the X 65f is worth the plunge if you ask me. It might not be realistic for most aircraft but I love trimming off the aircraft and not touching it again. The biggest downside is if your control surfaces get damaged in game and you get caught up in the moment you will gorrilla pull on the stick. I've never managed to damage mine though. Keep in mind I hated the thing for about a month, now Ill never go back.

SkopeDog
Sep 6, 2011

Das Butterbrot posted:

If by "hard center" you mean a stick that instead of moving around has sensors that detect the pressure you apply I can definitely recommend those (for modern combat sims at least). I had an X52 which after about a year got the faulty rudder axis problem that many people have been reporting. I upgraded to an X65-F and never looked back. Precise movements are wayyyyy easier with a stick like that imo and you can adjust pressure sensitivity on the fly!

Anyone following DCS development? The module I've been looking forward to the most, DCS:Mig-21Bis, had it's release date pushed back to march 2014 :( But holy poo poo does it look good. It even surpasses DCS:A10 in fidelity from the screenshots they've shown so far.

Here, have some cockpit porn:





:fap:

The lead developer being a Mig-21 pilot really helps :D

God, it's making me want to blow the obscene cash to get rated in the Fishbed IRL. I want this module, now. It just looks incredible and I can't wait to miss everything with the Alkalis.

Mauler
Nov 18, 2009

SkopeDog posted:

God, it's making me want to blow the obscene cash to get rated in the Fishbed IRL. I want this module, now. It just looks incredible and I can't wait to miss everything with the Alkalis.

How about missing with this bad boy instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JKFnM8rO-U

:fap:

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Das Butterbrot posted:

Anyone following DCS development? The module I've been looking forward to the most, DCS:Mig-21Bis, had it's release date pushed back to march 2014 :( But holy poo poo does it look good. It even surpasses DCS:A10 in fidelity from the screenshots they've shown so far.
I'm still loving waiting for DCS: Hornet :mad:

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Insert name here posted:

I'm still loving waiting for DCS: Hornet :mad:

:smithicide:

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
Oh you guys made a new thread.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Post link?

ease
Jul 19, 2004

HUGE
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3550928

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

That got recursive fast.

u fink u hard Percy
Sep 14, 2007

Just my two pence on P3D... lots of bugs but very beautiful - my system is being used completely.



To start with it wouldn't start due to a .dll error (not having MS x86 visual C++ pack on my x64 system). Then it wouldn't start due to a DX11 conflict with Displaylink drivers.

Now I've had to disable HDR to prevent a black screen error, can't change airports without autogen textures corrupting, have to live without progressive taxi, and ignore the camera turning dead north when changing aircraft.

If you're on the fence I'd wait until 2.1.

u fink u hard Percy fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 2, 2013

Das Butterbrot
Dec 2, 2005
Lecker.

Insert name here posted:

I'm still loving waiting for DCS: Hornet :mad:

This just popped up in my recommended videos. Might be interesting to you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xywrekEIJIg

It (at least the aircraft modelling, not sure what to think about ground textures/units yet) looks quite good. Their page says the project is 90+% done.

https://www.seveng-f18.com

Das Butterbrot fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Dec 3, 2013

SkopeDog
Sep 6, 2011
^ that looks really cool. I'll be following that, now.

Mauler posted:

How about missing with this bad boy instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JKFnM8rO-U

:fap:

Oh, yes, yes, and yes once more. It's all so.. wonderful! I must MiG. I wish to MiG hard. In the meantime, I'll have to settle for Strike Fighters 2 mods. I can't think of any MiG sim otherwise.

SkopeDog fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Dec 3, 2013

INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!

SkopeDog posted:

Oh, yes, yes, and yes once more. It's all so.. wonderful! I must MiG. I wish to MiG hard. In the meantime, I'll have to settle for Strike Fighters 2 mods. I can't think of any MiG sim otherwise.

Does the gunpod have an air-to-air mode?

SkopeDog
Sep 6, 2011

INTJ Mastermind posted:

Does the gunpod have an air-to-air mode?

Nah, it's an air-to-ground munition, but let's be honest: Has that stopped those of us with DCS: A-10C from trying?

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

SkopeDog posted:

Nah, it's an air-to-ground munition, but let's be honest: Has that stopped those of us with DCS: A-10C from trying?

The A-10c actually has an air to air mode :v:. Complete with those weird line...things for a few planes.

Every time I try to get a helicopter they just spin around and shoot me, even if I'm maneuvering, while like a kilometer away.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Bondematt posted:

The A-10c actually has an air to air mode :v:. Complete with those weird line...things for a few planes.

Every time I try to get a helicopter they just spin around and shoot me, even if I'm maneuvering, while like a kilometer away.

You mean a gun sight showing the projected path of the bullet stream?

Bondematt
Jan 26, 2007

Not too stupid

Galaga Galaxian posted:

You mean a gun sight showing the projected path of the bullet stream?

The "gun funnel" is what I am referring to. Basically line up the wingtips with the two moving lines and you should hit, if you selected the right target.

i am kiss u now
Dec 26, 2005


College Slice

Daimo posted:

Just my two pence on P3D... lots of bugs but very beautiful - my system is being used completely.



To start with it wouldn't start due to a .dll error (not having MS x86 visual C++ pack on my x64 system). Then it wouldn't start due to a DX11 conflict with Displaylink drivers.

Now I've had to disable HDR to prevent a black screen error, can't change airports without autogen textures corrupting, have to live without progressive taxi, and ignore the camera turning dead north when changing aircraft.

If you're on the fence I'd wait until 2.1.

I did a complete reinstall from scratch and removed FSX (RIP) and once I upgraded my video card, I tuned P3D so I get a constant 30FPS with any add-on I throw at it so far. It's just taking forever to get back to where I was with FSX but it's slowly coming along. She is indeed beautiful though and I'm hopeful for the future. I will also say that i've been fortunate enough to not encounter any other problem other than the black screen.

SkopeDog
Sep 6, 2011

Bondematt posted:

The A-10c actually has an air to air mode :v:. Complete with those weird line...things for a few planes.

Every time I try to get a helicopter they just spin around and shoot me, even if I'm maneuvering, while like a kilometer away.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I usually don't bother gunning down helos. I just save heaters for them.

u fink u hard Percy
Sep 14, 2007

IceLicker posted:

I did a complete reinstall from scratch and removed FSX (RIP) and once I upgraded my video card, I tuned P3D so I get a constant 30FPS with any add-on I throw at it so far. It's just taking forever to get back to where I was with FSX but it's slowly coming along. She is indeed beautiful though and I'm hopeful for the future. I will also say that i've been fortunate enough to not encounter any other problem other than the black screen.

To be fair to them three of my issues are nothing to do with them. But that hasn't stopped the lead rendering programmer trying to help on the forums. Tech support also wished me a good day, and they refunded 1.4 without even asking why. Truly excellent bunch of people.

I like to think they are some sort of skunkwork project at LM who suits don't even know exist.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
So DCS 1.2.7 is coming out and I just realised that I both haven't played in a LONG time and I have all the modules I want on Steam but I'm still running stand alone.

How big of a pain is it going to be to get this switched over to Steam. I don't have a licsense key tied to my digitalcombatsimulator.com profile from the looks of it, probably because I got my old key from Steam and set that up in DCS World to begin with.

EDIT: just discovered how to deactivate my my old A-10 key from the lovely Starforce DRM and then unbind it from my digitalcombatsimulator.com account. Now at least I can either bind my new ones or just go with Steam. I just hope this doesn't mean that if I switch to Steam I can't use my current nickname. It'd be a small price to pay to not have to worry about this whole 'you forgot to deactivate your keys now you're hosed' DRM scheme.

EDIT2: Welp, apparently you still need that lovely starforce garbage when you use DCSW via Steam.

EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Dec 6, 2013

SocketSeven
Dec 5, 2012
Eagle Dynamics and Valve have had a long and troubled history (I'm not sure why but they clearly have had issues with each other), I wouldn't bother using Steam for it, since DCSworld has it's own updater anyways. Just buy direct from ED.

You should just be able to pull up the key from steam and use it in the standalone version just fine.

As far as starforce goes, you get I think 9 activations before you're hosed. If you get hosed, you can E-mail ED, and they will de-auth all your activations from their end. I've never had to use this, so I could be wrong on details, but that is how I understand it works.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
I don't think I'd ever bother not buying from Steam. I never got any of the other modules because of this.

That being said, I got my Steam install all up and running with my license keys all tied to my proper ED account so it's all good. If I want to switch back I know how to deactivate my Steam install if need be but I can probably just leave it active on both.

I just tried flying the Huey. Oh god I miss aircraft with wings.

EDIT: I really hope ED and Valve start learning how to get along better because it really would boost sales. Steam Workshop is perfect for mission/campaign distribution.

EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Dec 7, 2013

Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010

The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

SocketSeven posted:

Eagle Dynamics and Valve have had a long and troubled history (I'm not sure why but they clearly have had issues with each other), I wouldn't bother using Steam for it, since DCSworld has it's own updater anyways. Just buy direct from ED.

You should just be able to pull up the key from steam and use it in the standalone version just fine.

As far as starforce goes, you get I think 9 activations before you're hosed. If you get hosed, you can E-mail ED, and they will de-auth all your activations from their end. I've never had to use this, so I could be wrong on details, but that is how I understand it works.

Yeah but ED's updater is horrifically bad, and so drat slow. Downloading gigs at <1kb/s is not a good experience.

SocketSeven
Dec 5, 2012

Shanakin posted:

Yeah but ED's updater is horrifically bad, and so drat slow. Downloading gigs at <1kb/s is not a good experience.


I've never had that problem myself. The modules have torrents that I can pull 3-4MB/s from, and the patch program has never felt slow to me. I think the average that I tend to get on larger patches is ~500-1000Kb/s. I just ran the patcher and it finished downloading and updating in under a minute (It was of course a small patch but i saw 300Kb/s flash up before the download finished).

Whatever speed problems the patcher had in the past I have not seen since DCSworld came out, as far as I can tell.

Shanakin
Mar 26, 2010

The whole point of stats are lost if you keep it a secret. Why Didn't you tell the world eh?

SocketSeven posted:

I've never had that problem myself. The modules have torrents that I can pull 3-4MB/s from, and the patch program has never felt slow to me. I think the average that I tend to get on larger patches is ~500-1000Kb/s. I just ran the patcher and it finished downloading and updating in under a minute (It was of course a small patch but i saw 300Kb/s flash up before the download finished).

Whatever speed problems the patcher had in the past I have not seen since DCSworld came out, as far as I can tell.

That's definitely not been my experience, either before or after World. I end up downloading the module torrents as you mention but they're somewhat bigger than the patch alone would have been.

Obsidius
Nov 18, 2009

If you ever drop your
keys into a river of molten
lava, let 'em go, because
man, they're gone.

Shanakin posted:

That's definitely not been my experience, either before or after World. I end up downloading the module torrents as you mention but they're somewhat bigger than the patch alone would have been.

Their updater for me would fluctuate in speed and had a habbit of stopping and somewho needing to be done again iirc, overall it was a pain in the rear end to use.

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Obsidius posted:

Their updater for me would fluctuate in speed and had a habbit of stopping and somewho needing to be done again iirc, overall it was a pain in the rear end to use.
Pretty much this. The only reason I stick to the standalone version instead of the Steam version is because Steam doesn't have Flaming Cliffs 3.

SocketSeven
Dec 5, 2012
Maybe I'm just lucky? :shrug: I simply can't remember a time I've been frustrated at it. It's not saturating my downstream connection like it would in a perfect world, but I've never had it lock up or download insanely slow.

Anything above 300Kb/s for a patcher is A-OK for me, and that's what I've consistently gotten. I usually have to spend so much time getting my peripherals into place and track IR started, etc. That the patch is done by the time I've got my hardware setup.

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EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
To be honest, I've had decent luck with the patcher. I'd just rather deal with Steam than with a stand alone install.

It also shows one more Steam player on the books. The more people walking away from the stand alone install, the more incentive there is for ED to get their act together when it comes to Steam support and maybe even drop their third party DRM. Starforce ProActive is better than Starforce - Computer Breaking Edition but I'd still rather not have to do all this worrying about how many installs I've used and being able to deactivate my keys.

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