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Seifer managed to have a relatively believable, even relatable character arc in a game where the next closest thing we got was "Autism McBadass and Underdeveloped Girlchild 'Princess' fall in love because *~destiny~*" So of course he was totally forgotten after the start of the second disk, because we gotta focus on that Real Romance (tm). Not to say that Seifer wasn't kind of a shithead, but he was a shithead in the way that an interesting teenage character would be, rather than Squall who is just entirely unapproachable or Zell who is entirely stupid. The important difference is in the presentation. We watch Seifer and go "Heh, yeah, teenagers are dumb, even when they're passionate about what they think is right." But at the same time the game tries to get us to watch Squall and go "Man, that totally antisocial rear end in a top hat is fuckin' awesome! He's such a loner, and nobody understands him! That makes him the coolest, plus in the end he gets the girl and everybody in his school likes him and even his teachers respect him as a leader." It's just so juvenile, I can't even feel embarrassed about liking it when I was fifteen, because it's perfectly formulated to appeal to stupid fifteen-year-olds.
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The Machine posted:The style of sprites for the iOS/Android games looks like such awful, cheap, amateur garbage. I have a huge soft spot for FF6 but with the way it looks in the upcoming releases, I'm just going to avoid it. They could at the very least orchestrate the music to add some value to it like they did with KH 1.5. I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
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Dec 5, 2013 12:33
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The music used in the SNES Final Fantasies is perfect IMO and I'm glad that all the remakes haven't bothered with trying to gussy them up with real instruments.
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Dec 5, 2013 12:53
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1st AD posted:The music used in the SNES Final Fantasies is perfect IMO and I'm glad that all the remakes haven't bothered with trying to gussy them up with real instruments. The FFVI Grand Finale soundtrack disagrees with you. Plus, they had the option to switch between original and remixed music for the FF4 PSP remake.
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Dec 5, 2013 14:18
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J. Alfred Prufrock posted:But at the same time the game tries to get us to watch Squall and go "Man, that totally antisocial rear end in a top hat is fuckin' awesome! He's such a loner, and nobody understands him! That makes him the coolest, plus in the end he gets the girl and everybody in his school likes him and even his teachers respect him as a leader."
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Dec 5, 2013 14:29
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Paracelsus posted:So is Zell intentionally stupid? See, I always thought that Zell was secretly smarter than he let on. More often than not, he's the only party member who knows things about where they are/are going, and what the deal with said place is. When heading to/in Timber, the Underwater Research Facility, the prison (though that was more Ward's doing but hey), and Esthar too I think, he's the one who gets the monologue about the place and how it relates to the rest of the world. And his spiel at the research facility kinda makes it seem like he's legitimately interested in that sort of stuff, to the point where I can kind of imagine him reading up on the place. I think his problem as a character is just his brashness and temper, and like Cid said, if he'd learn to control his emotions better, he'd probably come off a lot better.
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Dec 5, 2013 14:52
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Zell literally forgets he can punch people in the prison. That's all you need to draw your own conclusions about him.
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Dec 5, 2013 15:39
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Krad posted:Zell literally forgets he can punch people in the prison. That's all you need to draw your own conclusions about him. He chokes on a pile of hotdogs during the end credits. The man is literally stupid enough to choke on his favorite food. Zell is the best character in FF8 is what I'm saying.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:06
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Barudak posted:He chokes on a pile of hotdogs during the end credits. The man is literally stupid enough to choke on his favorite food. Further proving my point that his brashness and enthusiasm is his downfall.  Krad posted:Zell literally forgets he can punch people in the prison. That's all you need to draw your own conclusions about him. That part, however, I totally forgot about. Stupid FFVIII, and it's inconsistent characterization.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:08
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Krad posted:Zell literally forgets he can punch people in the prison. That's all you need to draw your own conclusions about him. I thought he had a line where is basically says "I'm fine without gear but the rest of you really need your gear" before they escape. Maybe I'm misremembering.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:14
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S-Alpha posted:That part, however, I totally forgot about. Stupid FFVIII, and it's inconsistent characterization. This would imply there is any characterization going on in the game other than a love of hotdogs, trains, getting hired to do a job you've failed at over and over again, and being a terrible teacher. Then a JBallad plays and you realize that monsters from the moon impacting the planet is totally irrelevant in the face of time paradox love.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:19
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Italax posted:I thought he had a line where is basically says "I'm fine without gear but the rest of you really need your gear" before they escape. Maybe I'm misremembering.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:48
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People harp on Quistis being a bad teacher, or Seifer being a failure, but where it all really begins is with Robin Williams and the whole dumbass school. It's not Quistis' fault some moron decided to promote a 17 or 18-year-old to tech people her age or even older. Similarly, Seifer probably wasn't exactly ever taught anything about proper discipline as they made him the head of the Disciplinary Committee.
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Dec 5, 2013 16:57
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Italax posted:I thought he had a line where is basically says "I'm fine without gear but the rest of you really need your gear" before they escape. Maybe I'm misremembering. That's what happens after Zells wishes they still had their weapons with them so they could escape. Then either Quistis or Selphie goes "you can use your fists.  "
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Dec 5, 2013 17:02
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Krad posted:That's what happens after Zells wishes they still had their weapons with them so they could escape. Here's the exact line: Quistis: "Well, we can't rely on magic here, so we have to go with weapons. We have to somehow get them back..." Zell: (Weapons... My weapons are these fists o'mine! I could do some serious damage without weapons! It's up to me, baby!) "Let me go. I'll go get the weapons back!" I'm actually more perturbed by the supposed 'anti-magic field' doing diddly-squat even before they lift it.
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Dec 5, 2013 17:04
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What did they even mean by disciplinary committee? When I played, I figured that was just some title Seifer made up to try and make him and his friends seem cool.
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Momomo posted:What did they even mean by disciplinary committee? When I played, I figured that was just some title Seifer made up to try and make him and his friends seem cool. Think Japanese hall monitors.
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Dec 5, 2013 17:08
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Krad posted:That's what happens after Zells wishes they still had their weapons with them so they could escape.  Best part of Azure's old FFVIII LP were the gifs made by a poster in the thread.
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Dec 5, 2013 17:12
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ApplesandOranges posted:Here's the exact line: Wasn't there something more before those lines? Maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought it was! He still could've punched the guards at any time.
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quote:Famed character designer Akihiko Yoshida is no longer with Square Enix, FF-Reunion reports. http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/12/final-fanatasy-vagrant-story-character-designer-akihiko-yoshida-departs-square-enix/ (Photo of message): https://twitter.com/kohichan/status/408506305817477120/photo/1 So that makes Yasumi Matsuno, Hitoshi Sakimoto, and Akihiko Yoshida as the core Tactics Ogre/Quest team that has left SE. That leaves Hiroshi Minagawa who is working on FFXIV:RR. I think Masaharu Iwata became a freelancer after creating Basiscape and wasn't a formal Squaresoft employee.
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And suddenly the series will see an influx of noses.Momomo posted:What did they even mean by disciplinary committee? When I played, I figured that was just some title Seifer made up to try and make him and his friends seem cool.
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Sunning posted:http://www.novacrystallis.com/2013/12/final-fanatasy-vagrant-story-character-designer-akihiko-yoshida-departs-square-enix/ Sad to see him leave but I'm guessing he'll still do lots of work for Square-Enix. He's artstyle serves the Final Fantasy franchise very well.
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Dec 5, 2013 17:42
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FF8 is on Steam now, if anyone wants to take a bullet. http://store.steampowered.com/app/39150/
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1st AD posted:The music used in the SNES Final Fantasies is perfect IMO and I'm glad that all the remakes haven't bothered with trying to gussy them up with real instruments. Yes and no. Yes the music was perfect, but modern updates with real instruments have all been just as good or even better (ex: the gilgamesh song in FF12)
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Dec 5, 2013 18:26
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iastudent posted:FF8 is on Steam now, if anyone wants to take a bullet. Holy poo poo, it has the Chocobo World Pocketstation stuff. 
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Dec 5, 2013 18:28
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iastudent posted:FF8 is on Steam now, if anyone wants to take a bullet. How can anyone say no after all the praise it gets from us? 
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Krad posted:How can anyone say no after all the praise it gets from us?  The best Final Fantasy.
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Al Baron posted:
Is that an achievement because that's a perfect burn on the games end plot and how awesome the leveling system is.
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...Huh, maybe Square finally are learning something. Admittedly, that's easier than playing the game normally but, y'know, at least it's an achievement for something significantly more involved than "did the first tutorial." Which looking at the list here gives you two achievements.
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Dec 5, 2013 18:39
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If...if this does well, maybe they'll bring IX to Steam! The Good FF on steam would be pretty great! Yeah, that's how I'll justify this purchase.
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Dragonatrix posted:...Huh, maybe Square finally are learning something. Admittedly, that's easier than playing the game normally but, y'know, at least it's an achievement for something significantly more involved than "did the first tutorial." Theres one for Draw 100 magic aka "level up once"
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Dec 5, 2013 18:41
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Barudak posted:Theres one for Draw 100 magic aka "level up once" Who uses Draw to get magic in that game? I'd have to go out of my way to do that!
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Kyrosiris posted:Holy poo poo, it has the Chocobo World Pocketstation stuff.
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quote:Magic Booster
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Who uses Draw to get magic in that game? I'd have to go out of my way to do that! Well you need to draw until you get enough AP to just turn things into cards so for I'd say the first 20 minutes of the game. poo poo, I'm about to buy this game on PC aren't I?
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Bholder posted:What the hell? It's an easy mode button. FF7 PC has something similar as well.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:It's an easy mode button. FF7 PC has something similar as well. Easy mode would be 100 Triple, 100 Haste, 100 Holy War. This is just "eh, its nice mode"
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It's not that big of an easy mode button, really. FF7 gave you basically max everything; this one just gives you some magic. More than enough to coast through, but any magic does that, but it's not stuff that completely trivialises everything ever. There is a complete lack of Meltdown in that list after all.
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What I want to know is if the music is still the lovely MIDI format of the original release or have Square wised up after enough people complained about FF 7?
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Dragonatrix posted:There is a complete lack of Meltdown in that list after all. No Full-Life or Aura either.
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