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Carrasco posted:What if he blames Paz for this? Considering how the old robots were in terms of willing deactivation, I'm fully expecting it to go in the opposite direction, where robots who work well and are true to the Faith can hope that one day, the Angel will deliver them to a True Death. 
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Dec 25, 2013 09:17
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Robot, you are being needlessly religious again. Stop it.
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Dec 25, 2013 09:17
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Robot is the best creepy cultist.
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Dec 25, 2013 09:57
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Ursine Asylum posted:Considering how the old robots were in terms of willing deactivation, I'm fully expecting it to go in the opposite direction, where robots who work well and are true to the Faith can hope that one day, the Angel will deliver them to a True Death. Yeah, the phrase "proper death" indicates a degree of reverence. As if Creepy Cultist Robot wasn't bad enough now we've got Creepy Death Cultist Robot. Also, still no chapter end thingie.
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Dec 25, 2013 10:17
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"Proper death" could mean being reduced to ashes. Maybe something with Kat being the creator and Annie being the destroyer?  Now THAT'S a proper death!
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Dec 25, 2013 10:41
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Proper death means it had a proper life. "Not broken circuits, not a battered hull, not shattered silicon, this was real living robot flesh, and now it is dead, rather than broken". You might be thinking "well, what's the point of a proper life if it means you end up dying, aren't robots better off as they are now?" But remember all the stuff with the psychopomps and the aether? Living robots will get to shape the world in ways that merely functioning robots do not.
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Dec 25, 2013 10:53
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Carrasco posted:What if he blames Paz for this? Nah, it seems like he overall considers the "true" death a good thing, so he probably credits it to Kat. So I guess that means Kat is now becoming a bona fide angel of death for the robots 
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Dec 25, 2013 10:54
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A robotic angel of death would look pretty scary. Merry RoboChristmas everyone! Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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Dec 25, 2013 11:40
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Yeah, it does look pretty scary. Man that was a great update. I don't think anybody expected that 
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Dec 25, 2013 12:28
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SynthOrange posted:A robotic angel of death would look pretty scary. Pretty sure this is what Zimmy sees when she looks at Kat.
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Dec 25, 2013 12:59
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Cat Mattress posted:Proper death means it had a proper life. "Not broken circuits, not a battered hull, not shattered silicon, this was real living robot flesh, and now it is dead, rather than broken". This elegantly ties in with Jones not being able to access the ether at all.
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Dec 25, 2013 14:52
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Mazerunner posted:Jesus Christ its Robo-Jesus Christ just in time for Christmas. And Tom says he doesn't plan his update timing out in advance. 
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Dec 25, 2013 16:19
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Wittgen posted:This elegantly ties in with Jones not being able to access the ether at all. Because she is a robot?
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Dec 25, 2013 16:28
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Wyld Karde posted:Robot, you are being needlessly religious again. Stop it. Is attempting to find meaning in existence ever truly needless?  Like I've said before, I don't think Robot is creepy because he's dangerous or malevolent in any way, just that most of us aren't really familiar with dealing with raw unshakeable conviction like he has. It still may end up being to the cast's detriment in the end but I'm willing to go on record saying it won't.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:33
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I don't think this has to do with having a proper life. According to Vintage Robot (see page 894), they already consider themselves alive. Thing is, they never actually die as being turned off doesn't end their existence; they are kept in "a state of waiting to be free", which we can all agree must suck. I'm pretty sure robo-euthanasia isn't allowed in the Court, so what Kat inadvertently did to the mecha frog leg would be seen as an incredible act of mercy: after serving its purpose, the robot was permanently terminated instead of being stuck in a closet (see page 8) or a tiny prison (see page 216), condemned to an eternity in limbo.
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Dec 25, 2013 17:45
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Nowhere in there Vintage Bot consider hmself as alive, though? He uses sleep as a comparison, yes, but he does not call himself alive. So arguably, Kat's project with the first alive, and then dead robot.
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Iceclaw posted:Nowhere in there Vintage Bot consider hmself as alive, though? He uses sleep as a comparison, yes, but he does not call himself alive. So arguably, Kat's project with the first alive, and then dead robot. Well, he did say "we [...] chose to end our lives" and not something like "we powered down our cpu's".
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Dec 25, 2013 17:54
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So, this update, along with previous robo-cult info, leads me to believe that Kat, or some spiritual representation of Kat, will be made to serve as the psychopomp of robot death, which is what Zimmy saw. Did anyone else come to a similar conclusion, or am I just seeing things that aren't there?
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red plastic cup posted:So, this update, along with previous robo-cult info, leads me to believe that Kat, or some spiritual representation of Kat, will be made to serve as the psychopomp of robot death, which is what Zimmy saw. Did anyone else come to a similar conclusion, or am I just seeing things that aren't there? I did not think of that at all, but it's an interesting angle to take. If enough robots become truly alive and able to interact with the ether, and simultaneously are believers in Robots doctrine, is their belief sufficient to begin to mold Kat to match what is expected of her? Will she become an Angel of Life and Death whether she likes it or not? Play host to one? Create one? I could see some variant of that happening. Maybe what Zimmy saw is the embryonic manifestation of just such a thing.
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Dec 25, 2013 18:28
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The robots are the shadow people of the court.
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Dec 25, 2013 19:08
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I had a similar idea about Kat being the Robot psychopomp, but it wasn't yet fully formed. Captain Oblivious' notion that robot belief interacting with the aether might cause this to come to pass was the piece I was missing. Certainly Zimmy's vision of Kat is akin to what I'd expect an angel of robotic life and death to look like. I'm willing to agree that Robot isn't malevolent, but for me he's certainly creepy and very probably dangerous. The trouble with a powerful belief like his is that it tends to go hand in hand with a certitude that the believer is right, and in matters of faith anyone who isn't in the right is definitely in the wrong. People who are Wrong About The True Faith tend to be made to suffer. Even if Robot himself wouldn't want to do that, any other robot who listens to him speak and is caught up in his passion could easily fall to the path of zealotry.
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Dec 25, 2013 19:17
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The important question is how well Paz will handle her girlfriend ascending to Robot Death Goddess-dom. Actually, Coyote said something about the Court being man's attempt to become god, right? I kinda wonder if we aren't going to see multiple people cross that particular threshold.
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Dec 25, 2013 19:37
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How well will the robots handle Paz being the girlfriend of their Robot Death Goddess?
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Dec 25, 2013 22:09
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For all we know, Paz destroyed that frog leg, though. Kat worked on that thing for months and the moment Paz arrives, it goes haywire. It seems sort of reasonable to attribute this to her. At least she might be identified as the catalyser.
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Dec 25, 2013 22:21
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Kat is the creator, remember. Paz is the bringer of true peace: a proper death.
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Air is lava! posted:For all we know, Paz destroyed that frog leg, though. Kat worked on that thing for months and the moment Paz arrives, it goes haywire. It seems sort of reasonable to attribute this to her. At least she might be identified as the catalyser. What? This was the first test that Kat was able to run. There's no reason to think Paz has anything to do with it going up in smoke. Well, other than by distracting Kat so that she flips the voltage up to max by accident
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Dec 25, 2013 22:34
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Robot and Shadow are totally gonna have a falling out this chapter aren't they? 
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No.44 posted:Robot and Shadow are totally gonna have a falling out this chapter aren't they? Next chapter, maybe. I doubt this chapter's got much left in it.
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Blackheart posted:Kat is the creator, remember. Paz is the bringer of true peace: a proper death. Kat is both. Remember that Robot made a big deal out of her ability to activate as well as deactivate the Old Machines. Paz is basically irrelevant as far as Robot and the robots are concerned, for now.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Kat is both. Remember that Robot made a big deal out of her ability to activate as well as deactivate the Old Machines.
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Air is lava! posted:For all we know, Paz destroyed that frog leg, though. Kat worked on that thing for months and the moment Paz arrives, it goes haywire. It seems sort of reasonable to attribute this to her. At least she might be identified as the catalyser. I'm pretty sure it's a bird wing, not a frog leg.
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Dec 26, 2013 01:48
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If Paz CAN talk to animals, as has been hinted at, it would be nuts if a breakthrough were discovered only after one of the creations starts communicating with her before its voice box is even installed.
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I just don't hope that the robots see Paz as an obstacle standing in the way of Kat's ascension to godhood. That would probably end poorly. Wild speculation time: To make sure that Kat can focus all her attention on ushering the robots into a new era, they conspire to kill Paz. They succeed, but the event traumatizes Kat who goes mad with grief and fully embraces her role as the Robo-Angel of Death, vowing to exterminate all robots.
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Dec 26, 2013 02:22
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The court has already had three psychopompic students. Why not a fourth?
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Dec 26, 2013 02:24
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So far we've seen many instances of robots removing humans forcibly or even with deadly consequences in Gunnerkrigg court when they get in the way of the robot plans. Oh wait. Robot doesn't care at all about Paz. If he does, it's because he thinks she's got a nice haircut.
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Dec 26, 2013 02:27
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You just know Boxbot would go on a murder spree if he wasn't so drat useless.
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fatherdog posted:The court has already had three psychopompic students. Why not a fourth? Who are the other two besides Annie?
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Ironic Twist posted:Who are the other two besides Annie? Surma is one, I should think. The other is Brinnie, she's a Valkyrie.
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