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Curtis LeMay would've poo poo the Antichrist and ended the world in a fireball.
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Mike-o posted:One thing I've always wondered about, did the Soviets ever have any overflights of the mainland US like we did to them with the U-2? Not like the probing flights with Bears, but actual deep penetration reconnaissance flights. No. Then you got satellites, and now there's Open Skies.
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Dec 24, 2013 18:51
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Mike-o posted:One thing I've always wondered about, did the Soviets ever have any overflights of the mainland US like we did to them with the U-2? Not like the probing flights with Bears, but actual deep penetration reconnaissance flights. Given that US the US generally had better radar than the Soviets during the time period overflights would have been possible (until the early 1960's) and the Soviets didn't operate equivalents of the B-36, B-47, and RB-57 at the time, I don't think they had aircraft capable of making the overflights without being detected and intercepted. Aside from the B-36 missions, I believe most US overflights of the Soviet Union were launched from countries relatively close to the USSR (Pakistan and England were fairly common), and since the Soviet Union didn't have allies terribly close to the US mainland (Cuba was probably too closely monitored to work as a base), I don't think they had anything with the range to overfly the lower 48. I believe the Soviets did some overflights of parts of Alaska, and may have operated close to the east coast a couple of times, but I've never heard of them overflying the lower 48.
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Dec 24, 2013 18:59
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What about Western Europe?
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Dec 24, 2013 19:15
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Well they pulled off that unmanned strike on Belgium. Come to think of it, the 80s were a weird decade for overflights.
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Dec 24, 2013 21:06
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Arguably, the Soviets never needed an aerial reconnaissance program, given the porosity of information in the West and the depth of their espionage penetration.
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Dec 24, 2013 22:39
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azflyboy posted:Given that US the US generally had better radar than the Soviets during the time period overflights would have been possible (until the early 1960's) and the Soviets didn't operate equivalents of the B-36, B-47, and RB-57 at the time, I don't think they had aircraft capable of making the overflights without being detected and intercepted. The Soviets never really had an aircraft capable of both reaching and penetrating mainland American airspace - the Tsybin RSR was as close as they ever came on that front. As you mentioned, The Soviets were hamstrung by the need to launch from their own territory, which meant you needed a roughly 2500-mile flight before you even get to the mainland United States, to say nothing of getting anywhere interesting to photograph. The Soviets did spend a lot of time and effort, however, flying around the periphery of the United States, often with the ELINT or radar reconnaissance versions of the Bear I mentioned in my last effortpost - these flights were sporadic, but there would be periods where they would fly every few weeks. Snowdens Secret posted:What about Western Europe? No overflights there either. That said, a MiG-25R with an oblique camera could photograph a big chunk of West Germany flying along the border, so you could argue that overflights weren't really even necessary in Western Europe. Koesj posted:Well they pulled off that unmanned strike on Belgium. Come to think of it, the 80s were a weird decade for overflights. I don't know if I would call it that. For those that don't know, in 1989 a MiG-23 experienced a partial engine failure leading to the pilot bailing out. The MiG continued to fly on autopilot, over Poland, East and West Germany, then over the Netherlands before it crashed into a house in Belgium, killing one person. It certainly was a weird decade for overflights though, I'll give you that much. What with a kid in a Cessna defeating the entire Soviet air defense network and landing in Red Square and all.
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Dec 24, 2013 22:58
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MrChips posted:I don't know if I would call it that. For those that don't know, in 1989 a MiG-23 experienced a partial engine failure leading to the pilot bailing out. The MiG continued to fly on autopilot, over Poland, East and West Germany, then over the Netherlands before it crashed into a house in Belgium, killing one person. Yeah well they got the 747 overflying Kamchatka hmm? But I'll stop being flippant about that kinda stuff now. The MiG crash got wide acknowledgement again last year when Tom Lanoye's Heldere Hemel came out as a free book week gift here in the Netherlands.
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Dec 24, 2013 23:15
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Godholio posted:Curtis LeMay would've poo poo the Antichrist and ended the world in a fireball. What about high altitude recon balloons?
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Dec 24, 2013 23:20
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Thanks guys, for the advice regarding Pima. I just got back, and that place is really, really cool. I should have gone there much sooner.
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Dec 25, 2013 04:49
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OptimusMatrix posted:Have a drone survival guide. Pretty simple but pretty neat. I had no idea how many types of drones we have in service. You can pay for it on aluminum or you can download the pdf for free and print it out yourself. It's almost insulting, really. "Oh, those poor ethnics in Pakistan have been living under the shadows of Obama's immoral drone war for over a decade. If only they had a Dutch technocrat to tell them about shiny materials!" Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Dec 25, 2013 |
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Dec 25, 2013 06:30
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MrChips posted:It certainly was a weird decade for overflights though, I'll give you that much. What with a kid in a Cessna defeating the entire Soviet air defense network and landing in Red Square and all. Air And Space did a pretty good article a while back on Rust's little adventure. The amount of coincidences and things lining up just right for him to be able to do what he did is pretty crazy (a healthy dose of late '80s Soviet apathy helped, of course). Dead Reckoning posted:I like that they think putting aluminum foil on your car will somehow shield you from a Reaper. Uh, OPSEC? Actually that whole thing is pretty funny, particularly the jamming/spoofing section.
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Dec 25, 2013 07:45
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I just read and it is an excellent, although depressing look at nuclear weapons, cold war times and the related hardware. It mentions a lot about LeMay, the SAC, B-52s, and of course the Titan II missle. After reading this book, I don't know how we haven't had a nuclear weapons accident. The book talks about so many close calls it really is amazing.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I like that they think putting aluminum foil on your car will somehow shield you from a Reaper. I bite my tongue a lot about the melodrama people throw at various systems used for war-waging (eg calling them drones), but man someone has to be a doucher to say their mildly reflective poster evokes techniques used by people to defeat airborne cameras. Also  at the B model hellfire.
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Dec 25, 2013 19:13
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I updated the OP, pray I don't update it further. Actually if anyone has any suggestions, I'm willing to consider and then not implement them due to laziness. Merry Christmas!
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Well done Linedance. I take your apology of not having indexed the dirigible posts as a placeholder for when you have indexed the dirigible posts. Because with great threads comes great etc.
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I think Iran got MiG-25 overflights, which is why they bought the F-14. Or something. The MiG-25 also overflew Israel IIRC, but probably in Egyptian colors rather than the USSR.
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Dec 26, 2013 02:08
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Made a gif from one of agentjayz videos.
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Dec 26, 2013 22:35
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Boomerjinks posted:Made a gif from one of agentjayz videos. Those pulleys look really flimsy, wouldn't them failing cause some really odd thrust directions?
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Dec 26, 2013 23:17
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Boomerjinks posted:Made a gif from one of agentjayz videos. It's like one of those time-lapse films of a flower blooming. Only with more thrust.
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Dec 27, 2013 01:20
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iyaayas01 posted:Air And Space did a pretty good article a while back on Rust's little adventure. The amount of coincidences and things lining up just right for him to be able to do what he did is pretty crazy (a healthy dose of late '80s Soviet apathy helped, of course).
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Dec 27, 2013 01:28
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Barnsy posted:Those pulleys look really flimsy, wouldn't them failing cause some really odd thrust directions? They're solid pushrods, not cables or anything like that, if I'm remembering the last time I poked at tail feathers correctly. Also, that's a variable nozzle, not a vectoring nozzle, and the individual vanes are all linked together. If you lose nozzle control, you'll have reduced engine performance, but you essentially can't lose individual vanes.
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Dec 27, 2013 01:52
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I'm not too versed in high-performance turbines, that roughly equates to a variable convergence-divergence section, right?
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Mr. Samuel Shitley posted:I'm not too versed in high-performance turbines, that roughly equates to a variable convergence-divergence section, right? Never mind equating to it, that IS your convergent-divergent section.
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Dec 27, 2013 03:37
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Engine gifs ITT  drat gifcam doesn't optimize files well at all.
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iyaayas01 posted:Air And Space did a pretty good article a while back on Rust's little adventure. The amount of coincidences and things lining up just right for him to be able to do what he did is pretty crazy (a healthy dose of late '80s Soviet apathy helped, of course). This reminds me of another sneaky flight A&S wrote about. http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/the_quiet_one.html
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Thought you guys would appreciate this crosspost from the YouTube thread. Horrifyingly musical.bolind posted:Our favorite Canadian jet turbine wizard with a short but strong message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wKPTWXD2Z0
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Boat posted:Thought you guys would appreciate this crosspost from the YouTube thread. Horrifyingly musical. Sounds better than if he did that while it was running 
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Dec 28, 2013 00:02
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There is an Il-76 taking off from Los Angeles in just over an hour. I almost want to run up there and photograph it but ugggh, effort, and I just woke up anyway.
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Dec 28, 2013 16:51
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The other day I misremembered flight 3701 as a Delta Connection flight and kind of went  when I heard Delta's slogan "keep climbing."
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Dec 28, 2013 17:21
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So after reading this thread and getting addicted to A&S mag, I've been itching to get into building models again-I know it's come up in the thread before, so can anyone recommend a good manufacturer of kits? Pretty much starting from scratch, so I don't even know what to look for outside of amazon.
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Dec 29, 2013 05:01
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Revell.
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Dec 29, 2013 05:04
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Are we talking things that actually fly or not?
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Dec 29, 2013 05:09
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Ardeem posted:Are we talking things that actually fly or not? No. Things you can paint pretty colors and that don't look like dogshit when properly assembled. NYC, so actually building flying ones is pretty far out of my scope. holocaust bloopers posted:Revell. Figured-they're really cheap so I was worried they'd be garbage. I think I made revell kits before, but I was like 8 so.
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Naturally Selected posted:No. Things you can paint pretty colors and that don't look like dogshit when properly assembled. NYC, so actually building flying ones is pretty far out of my scope. I believe there are some Japanese and Euro companies as well. I just know Revell from building their kits as a young holocaust bloopers.
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Dec 29, 2013 05:13
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Didn't they produce an early SLBM so accurately the Navy got pissed that it actually gave away classified details?
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Previa_fun posted:The other day I misremembered flight 3701 as a Delta Connection flight and kind of went Oh, God, I remember that when it happened. One of my college roommates had printed out the flight recorder transcripts, I seem to recall the tower saying something like "I didn't think those things could fly that high." Couple of dopes ruining a perfectly good aircraft.
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Also Tamiya or Hasegawa.
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