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a.lo
Sep 12, 2009


A 4chan spoof to outrage feminists.

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Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Why does that offend feminists? Feminists don't like suggesting women have bodies or something I don't get it. Also, I bet Muir posted on 4chan and nobody responded to him, or something.

itskage
Aug 26, 2003


CURATOR OF ANIME posted:


A 4chan spoof to outrage feminists.

Muir... you already posted that before. I even did up that comparison with an overlay gif showing how he traced it.

Now we have to dig that up to see if he forgot and retraced it :v:

Grey Fox
Jan 5, 2004

itskage posted:

It's because OldTennisCourt's post is a counter point to Randler's post. Not Bors' article.


Unless I missed it, what I don't see being discussed is the age. She was 37 when she got cancer with 3 kids. He's an old guy with a father in law. How old was his father in law? I'm thinking 60s minimum? Clearly he lived long enough to see his daughter grow up and get married.

Boiling the discussion down to two sides while ignoring the motivations behind their reasoning's is disingenuous. She has a whole hell of a lot more reasons to live as long as possible, than his father in law.

Edit: Yeah, his father in law was almost 80 when he passed. Almost twice the age of her now.
You raise a very important point about age and motivations, and I think it shows the validity of both "sides" and how trying to turn each side at odds with each other is counterproductive.

My mother was in her late 50's when she was diagnosed with her cancer; I was in my late 20's, unmarried and an only child. She fought hard for three years, taking on every possible treatment she could, including whatever experimental treatment she could get her hands on. In those three years, I married my longtime girlfriend...to prepare for the wedding and reception, my mom got her doc to load her up on enough steroids so she'd have the energy to see her only son get married. I'm sure it's no coincidence that her next "turn for the worse" was her last; at that point, for her, it couldn't have been over soon enough.

For three years, she was a warrior. But even warriors need to lay down.

Grey Fox fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Jan 14, 2014

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

CURATOR OF ANIME posted:


A 4chan spoof to outrage feminists.

Man, just look at that second panel. How loving hard can it be to trace over some goddamn porn without making it look like a goddamn space creature.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
All those feminists on 4chan.

MisterBadIdea
Oct 9, 2012

Anything?
I think Muir think that anything he enjoys must be opposed by feminists. (If so that gives him better than even odds that he'll be correct.)

So basically we have a guy being offended over feminists being offended by something they're not actually offended by.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

CURATOR OF ANIME posted:


A 4chan spoof to outrage feminists.

The frequency with which Sam and Zed have sex seems like it'd make sex boring pretty quick.

KimotaBoom
Feb 8, 2008
Duck and cover. That's the first thing to do. Duck and cover.

Fandyien posted:

Why does that offend feminists? Feminists don't like suggesting women have bodies or something I don't get it. Also, I bet Muir posted on 4chan and nobody responded to him, or something.

Apparently it's a series of photoshopped images where the women are so thin that their hip bones stick out more than their stomach. So the cloth from hip bone to hip bone is like a bridge, because it doesn't touch the stomach flesh. Some people complained about it because there's a trend of people posting "thinspiration" photos on tumblr and such, and things like this can cause people with eating disorders to obsess over making their body thin enough for the bikini bridge. Same thing happened with the idea of a thigh gap.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

The frequency with which Sam and Zed have sex seems like it'd make sex boring pretty quick.

Gasp! Are you suggesting that Chris Muir, man of men, doesn't have a solid grasp on basic human relationship dynamics or sexual practices? Why I never! :monocle:

Foyes36
Oct 23, 2005

Food fight!

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Gasp! Are you suggesting that Chris Muir, man of men, doesn't have a solid grasp on basic human relationship dynamics or sexual practices? Why I never! :monocle:

I'm decently sure Chris Muir has never had sex.

At least not the kind you don't have to pay for.

blurry!
Jun 14, 2006

Sorry for Party Flocking
I'm sure Muir buys into the idea that anyone not on some sort of stimulant actually has sex "all night long". Like people are actually having 8-12 hour nonstop marathon sessions of loving and still show up to work ready to go. That's what the songs on the radio say!

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

itskage posted:

It's because OldTennisCourt's post is a counter point to Randler's post. Not Bors' article.

I am pretty sure, however that Randler was basically making the point that people should read the original article to form their own opinion on whether or not to agree with Bors though. (And he probably implied a secondary point about how dashingly handsome and incredibly strong he was somewhere between the lines as well. :wink:)

My issue with that particular Bors cartoon is that it basically requires expansive context (the one Vogon Poet gave), that is not even easily accessible anymore because Emma Keller's article has been taken offline. And even with aforementioned context, it's hard to see a reason for only Mr. Keller being in the picture. The outrage started with Ms. Keller's Guardian article and from the quotes of it still available, it seems like she really wrote a pretty indefensible piece. Both from a moral perspective as well as under the aspect of journalistic ethics. But Bors does not focus on the guardian article. He goes for the NYT article and in the accompanying blog post only mentions the Guardian article at the end. Almost like an afterthought. Maybe the NYT article is just a companion piece to defend the Guardian one. Maybe Keller has a sincere interest in raising his points regarding pallative care. I don't know which one it is, and Bors' blogpost fails to make a convincing argument for either one. At the end of the day, I still think that Bors cartoon is bad because it requires the reader to make too many presumptions. Presumptions, that the cartoonist failed to give sufficient reason for me to make.

On the matter of whether to battle diseases to the last available treatment, I honestly don't know what I should consider the ~correct opinion. It's a pretty safe to assume that everybody here has had loved ones struggling with cancer or other afflictions that made their life a living hell. It might sound like a cop-out, but I think everybody should be able to decide themselves whether he prefers to try each and every remotely possible attempt to "win" over a disease or to just accept fate and try to die on their own terms.* I don't know which one I'll prefer and most people probably won't know until they are in that situation; hopefully, they'll still be physically able to decide then. And this is a reason I don't think arguments about "having more reasons" to live for are particularly worthwhile to entertain. As matter of fact, I think this is issue makes a good point for focussing on criticizing the somewhat objective formal flaws of editorial cartoons instead of trying to compare a cartoon's position on whether or not it conforms with what we think is right.



* I have no idea how to phrase those two options without accidentally reusing buzzwords from either side, so you have to make my word for me being neutral on it.

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

CURATOR OF ANIME posted:


A 4chan spoof to outrage feminists.

Nope, pretty sure it's still an insult to women! :razz:

Political Whores
Feb 13, 2012

Being around those two must be excruciating. Every loving line out of their mouths is a political point that segues into a sex "pun". It shows that Muir has been alone a long time, he's forgotten how normal people act. Is Sam supposed to get all weak-kneed now that he's called her anorexic or whatever?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

crowfeathers posted:

Well you see the Tea Party offers one view, and gay rights activists offer another. Perhaps the truth... is that he is a bad cartoonist

The frustrating thing is that, in part due to his youth and relative computer literacy, JJ is artistically a very good cartoonist! Now that I think of it...young cartoonist...web focused...libertarian...good art, infuriating views...is JJ really the bizzaro reincarnation of Chuck Asay?

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!
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"a leading statesmen"

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

KimotaBoom posted:

Apparently it's a series of photoshopped images where the women are so thin that their hip bones stick out more than their stomach. So the cloth from hip bone to hip bone is like a bridge, because it doesn't touch the stomach flesh. Some people complained about it because there's a trend of people posting "thinspiration" photos on tumblr and such, and things like this can cause people with eating disorders to obsess over making their body thin enough for the bikini bridge. Same thing happened with the idea of a thigh gap.

To be honest, the bikini bridge hoax is one of the more clever things 4chan has done.

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012


Dude, I'm riding a cow! This is art. :2bong: :allears:

cafel
Mar 29, 2010

This post is hurting the economy!

This is the first song parody I've read in forever and it was worth it.

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

Wow a politoon with a song that actually fits the meter? That's a new one.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Ammat The Ankh
Sep 7, 2010

Now, attempt to defeat me!
And I shall become a living legend!

Apple Pie Hubbub posted:

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"a leading statesmen"

That's just white, bearded Obama.



Honestly, Britt is the only cartoonist in this thread that knows things like rhyming, meter, or scansion. (See also: his cartoon about how we treat the elderly)

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Apple Pie Hubbub posted:

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"a leading statesmen"

Ramirez: Hates Beards, Hates America.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Spiffster posted:

I don't see Willis drawing lovely Doctor Hibert knockoffs as presidents of the United States, making people pay hundreds for his presence in which he isn't obliged to make eye contact, or just being a total poo poo heel in general. :colbert:
Really? Because today's features a lovely Joker trace, he goes to cons where people pay to see him, and he has that last one down to a T

quote:

The only reason he gets posted in here is he does a decent political cartoon from time to time. If we didn't post people just because a poster has a problem with them personally or their messages, This thread would be empty.
He does political cartoon where he attacks people for holding the same lovely views he regularly capitalizes on. Even Lester doesn't do strips accusing Obama of beating on Michelle.

quote:

... And I think we had this argument a few years ago... and once again you bring up that he supports rape. He never once did a joke that said rape is OK or funny. He showed one of the sad dangers of college in Dumbing of Age in one of his story-lines. One of the characters was trying to be supportive for her friend who had to go to a party to get an interview for the newspaper, but she didn't want to go because she was really felt uncomfortable about it. They both went to a party, which is outside their comfort bubbles, so the journalist would at least have a friendly face in the crowd. Even when she gets separated due to the interview, she tries to stay within a group of people so she is never alone and when they find out what he was trying to do the guy ends up getting slashed by a broken glass and beaten to a pulp with a bat. Not once does he support a rapist and he is supposed to be despised in all of his actions. Do you just believe that Rape should never be discussed in any medium?

That's an awful lot of words trying to brush aside the fact the guy regularly plays rape off as a joke. "Hey look, he date raped them both! Hilarious!" And routinely makes fun of LBTG people with poo poo like a "trans car" and "Leslie Bean". And has his black mouthpiece voice his white guy opinions about race. And his onesided rage feud against Bill Watterson (like Rall's one with Ebert). And smashes his dolls together like they have sex for his mary sues. And his obsession with monkey cheese violence.

Hey look at that, all stuff people point out that Muir, Rall, and Tim Buckley do. Why is it ok to criticize them for it, but when this less successful hypocrite gets criticized for it, you charge to the rescue?

Tatum Girlparts posted:

No he doesn't, that's the dude who did the 'I invented the cure for cancer' 'you didn't build that' 'GUESS WE ALL DIE THEN THANKS OBUMMER' comic. Branco's biggest audience is this thread because he's a nobody.
One of them does TheBlaze, the other does Beck's Newsletter. I don't remember which is which, but at least whenhe started getting posted here Branco was getting pushed by Beck.

Shangri-Law School
Feb 19, 2013

Discendo Vox posted:

The frustrating thing is that, in part due to his youth and relative computer literacy, JJ is artistically a very good cartoonist! Now that I think of it...young cartoonist...web focused...libertarian...good art, infuriating views...is JJ really the bizzaro reincarnation of Chuck Asay?

JJ is way too dumb. Eric Allie is Asay's true heir.



CampingCarl
Apr 28, 2008




Isn't is a common symptom of some kind of brain issue to capitalize stuff randomly? There is no consistency with what he capitalizes or italicizes or makes red. Is it stylistic like how Rall says his eyes not being same same height is his style?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Cruel and Unusual posted:

JJ is way too dumb. Eric Allie is Asay's true heir.





Dear lord, their eyes...it's like staring into a black hole. They can see me, through the screen. I can feel their gaze, ravaging my very soul.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
I don't know, they both look pretty normal to me. Think you might be reaching there, Discendo Vox

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Deport The Irish
Nov 25, 2013
Between the background and the kind of awkward expression, Asay's looks like he's posing for a school photo.

itskage
Aug 26, 2003


Randler posted:

* I have no idea how to phrase those two options without accidentally reusing buzzwords from either side, so you have to make my word for me being neutral on it.

I think you're right to be neutral. Being neutral is pretty much the only 'correct' opinion. My reasoning for involving age is because it emphasizes the drastic difference between their two unique situations. A lot of people are looking at it as "person now has cancer" and not all of the other factors involved in their lives that will influence their decisions on what to do.

I guess people defending Mr. Keller are saying he's really just highlighting another option. But I think where he went wrong is when he compared their two unique situations in a way where it seemed like he was presenting one option as better than the other, and didn't really go into the reasoning behind why she is fighting to live. This is one of those cases where it's not really what he said that condemned him, but what he didn't say.

I won't comment on Ms Keller's article because I didn't read it. Edit: but the fact that it exists is important to how we perceive what Mr Keller decided what to write about.

The only real sides to take here are weather or not you think the Mr Keller is an rear end for writing an article where it seems like he's complaining about a sub 50 year old mother of 3 battling for her life.

In which case I agree with Bors.

itskage fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Jan 14, 2014

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Ammat The Ankh posted:

Honestly, Britt is the only cartoonist in this thread that knows things like rhyming, meter, or scansion. (See also: his cartoon about how we treat the elderly)

He did a good Ted Cruz/Green Eggs and Ham one as well.

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
It is January 14th.

2014 is already 1/24th over.

Stop doing predictions, drunky duck.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling




I get his point but all I can read this as is "College kids now have much more realistic expectations about their prospects! Things are so hosed that the American ideal of hard work getting you where you want to be has been revealed as a sham!"

Rebochan
Feb 2, 2006

Take my evolution

Fried Chicken posted:

Hey look at that, all stuff people point out that Muir, Rall, and Tim Buckley do. Why is it ok to criticize them for it, but when this less successful hypocrite gets criticized for it, you charge to the rescue?

Hey, brain for brains. You're the idiot that demanded the comic not be posted at all. You don't get to ride in on your high horse of bullshit jabbering about people being too insensitive to criticism of their sacred cows after basically violating the core rule of a thread that includes cartoons scribbled on notebook paper with crayola.

Rebochan
Feb 2, 2006

Take my evolution

Now, for atonement for the derail, have some cartoons.

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New Years Resolutions are dumb and nobody sticks to them. AGC.

2

So...he's annexing Heaven?

3

Not used to cartoons depicting Chris Christie as smaller than anything.

4

Well then, glad you opined on the important topic of "Will Iran cheat at baseball?"

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Oh for fucks sake, if you have to use :words: to block the art that you're using to set up your "punchline", you've failed as an artist.

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

Someone with talent combine :mrapig: and :words: please

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Sizone
Sep 13, 2007

by LadyAmbien

colonel_korn posted:

Someone with talent combine :mrapig: and :words: please


There is absolutely nothing wrong or untrue about that pigman comic. It would, subsequently, make a poor source for parody.

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