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I take pleasure in knowing that I'm ruining the show for you.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:28
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solovyov posted:I take pleasure in knowing that I'm ruining the show for you. *flips through 1970's fashion catalogues and broadway playbills, pinpoints random obscure reference, adds a one liner throw away into a bloated script that probably didn't get past the second draft, washes in the adoration of moron theater rejects*
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Jan 16, 2014 22:31
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The problem with tv shows today is they spend too much time catering to the whims of middle aged straight women and gay men. Discuss.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:34
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solovyov posted:The problem with tv shows today is they spend too much time catering to the whims of middle aged straight women and gay men. Discuss. I was wondering when you'd play that card but unfortunately this show has been campy since season 1 and I already posted that I like camp and thought that this show did it quite well up until now. Try again.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:37
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^^ I knew it was coming too. Play that victim card. It's the last one in your useless deck. solovyov posted:The problem with tv shows today is they spend too much time catering to the whims of middle aged straight women and gay men. Discuss. But, as a man who likes men, this season loving sucks, and I can speak for myself, thank you.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:41
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And Frances Conroy is great. That doesn't mean she can carry the show. That's why you've never heard of "The Wagons Roll At Midnight". Sure, Humphrey Bogart was the leading man, but the story was trite garbage, and he couldn't save that dreck either.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:44
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Doltos posted:I was wondering when you'd play that card but unfortunately this show has been campy since season 1 and I already posted that I like camp and thought that this show did it quite well up until now. Try again. I'm not sure what card you think I've played. Not having seen the first two seasons, I don't know which sort of camp you consider acceptable. I assume you're not a fan of Auntie Mame.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:45
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solovyov posted:I'm not sure what card you think I've played. Yes, you know exactly what card you played.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:46
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solovyov posted:I'm not sure what card you think I've played. Not having seen the first two seasons, I don't know which sort of camp you consider acceptable. I assume you're not a fan of Auntie Mame. Come on man, at least don't try to hide that you were taking a "you hate gays and women" stab at me. It didn't work so just move on.
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Jan 16, 2014 22:54
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escape artist posted:^^ I knew it was coming too. Play that victim card. It's the last one in your useless deck. Playing off his 70's fashion/Broadway playbill comment is hardly playing the victim card or claiming spokesperson status. quote:But, as a man who likes men, this season loving sucks, and I can speak for myself, thank you. I'm so happy you brought that up because I was just thinking the gay gods should punish you with no more blow jobs for your impertinent disinterest in the higher culture of your elders. escape artist posted:Yes, you know exactly what card you played. Ha. No really. A blunt and reductive restatement of his complaint in stereotype form is not "playing the victim card." Where's my claimed victimization? Obviously you require more traditional narrative from this show, you can't even follow the plot in a conversation. Are you playing the "sometimes I masturbate to gay porn card" above? Is this an important detail worthy of discussion? Doltos posted:Come on man, at least don't try to hide that you were taking a "you hate gays and women" stab at me. It didn't work so just move on. That's not what my stabbing motion looks like at all.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:03
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whatshesaid posted:Frances Conroy is loving amazing This is at least one thing everyone can agree on. solovyov posted:I have some horrible news for you. I have not watched the first two seasons of this show because I generally do not enjoy horror. You should give the first season a try, it's still basically over the top campy kind of horror like this season. Season 2 is definitely darker though.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:04
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Jan 16, 2014 23:06
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ThatPazuzu posted:Can't we all just get along? If we could all get a long we couldn't be watching a show where everyone is out to kill each other.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:06
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Random Stranger posted:I only gave season three a chance to improve because the first two seasons were so good I thought both of the first seasons were good in till they totally bottomed out completely destroying themselves, this season seems like it didn't even try. Ok guys, we got another house with some witches and some voodoo people. poo poo, voodoo people are black, lets get a super racist character with time travel via immortality. drat, if we got witches lets throw in a bible thumper and some witch hunters. We kill off alot of people, Easy! now they are ghosts/zombies/frankenincests. Hang on we will put them all in New Orleans add resurrection to that list. Boss we got half the page filled, ok lets just wing the rest it will all work out. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jan 16, 2014 |
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Jan 16, 2014 23:09
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Tenzarin posted:with time travel viva immortality. ? She didn't time travel, she was just buried underground for 170 years. And she's an actual historical figure from New Orleans so it fits in with the setting.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:12
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Amused to Death posted:? She didn't time travel, she was just buried underground for 170 years. And she's an actual historical figure from New Orleans so it fits in with the setting. Technically she was traveling through time at a normal rate underground, thrus time travel.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:13
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Amused to Death posted:You should give the first season a try, it's still basically over the top campy kind of horror like this season. Season 2 is definitely darker though. It was tempting at the time, because I like the actors and while not a huge fan of Murphy's I've enjoyed some of his stuff in the past. But... I generally don't like being scared. So when people say "this show is very good at being scary," I take their word for it. My not watching is a compliment to its horror intentions. Just as my currently watching is an offense to Doltos' heartfelt desires.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:16
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solovyov posted:I generally don't like being scared. This show(all seasons)? that's not really an issue here bub.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:17
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solovyov posted:It was tempting at the time, because I like the actors and while not a huge fan of Murphy's I've enjoyed some of his stuff in the past. But... I generally don't like being scared. So when people say "this show is very good at being scary," I take their word for it. My not watching is a compliment to its horror intentions. Just as my currently watching is an offense to Doltos' heartfelt desires. If you haven't watched the other seasons how can you be arguing with others about how the quality of the show has tanked.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:30
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f1av0r posted:If you haven't watched the other seasons how can you be arguing with others about how the quality of the show has tanked. They aren't, they're making the point I and others were making, some people may find the quality to have dropped, but as a whole the show is obviously still delivering what people want to see out of it, complete and utter over the top craziness and zaniness.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:38
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Jan 16, 2014 23:43
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f1av0r posted:If you haven't watched the other seasons how can you be arguing with others about how the quality of the show has tanked. Because OPINIONS, man! Glob, this thread is starting to suck more than the show. Just admit to yourselves (as I did) that you've invested too much time into this show to stop watching. I mean, that's what got me through Lost.
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foxatee posted:Glob, this thread is starting to suck more than the show. It's surprising the amount of hate a season that's basically about vitriolic exchanges between combative divas is getting here. foxatee posted:
 This is why I finished Dexter. Even at its worst, this show is nowhere near that level of boring and inane.
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solovyov posted:Playing off his 70's fashion/Broadway playbill comment is hardly playing the victim card or claiming spokesperson status. Straight men and gay women can't like 70's fashion/broadway? Look I didn't mean to be a dick but you gotta understand that camp without a story becomes too ridiculous. Look at Rocky Horror Picture Show. Great acting, great music, completely loving ridiculous, but it works. Something about it clicks all the ridiculousness together and you can appreciate its camp value. This show leap frogged that amount of ridiculousness.
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Jan 16, 2014 23:59
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Look, let's all just accept that people have the right to like this season, and that other people have the right to assume that the people in the first category have absolutely no taste. Also, it's kind of silly that anyone would use the argument that "people are watching it now more than ever, so it must have some merits" to justify it's worth. Keeping Up with the Kardashians and The Big Bang Theory are also popular. Popularity, more often than not, has no bearing on the quality of anything.
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Jan 17, 2014 00:01
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Let's be honest, if any of us were truly not enjoying the show in some fashion, we simply wouldn't watch it. I'll stand and admit that I enjoy watching it burn, for probably some of the same reasons that made Honey Boo Boo famous. I guess at this point, it's like Contact for me. I gotta see what the aliens look like. And as awful as Contact was, it's still fun to remember how bad it was, so there's that. Put it this way: as far as this season is concerned at least, Murphy is good at writing poems, but a book of poems isn't a novel. My interest in this particular book comes both from how pretty the poems are, and from pointing out how awfully organized they are. Still hoping they go out with a bang rather than a whimper.
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superkittenhugs posted:Keeping Up with the Kardashians and The Big Bang Theory are also popular. Popularity, more often than not, has no bearing on the quality of anything. lol yes it loving does unless you grade everything on your life compared to fine art or whatever method only grades the level of artistic creativity put into a show. I hate Keeping up with the Kardashians but obviously whatever it is people want to see out of it, they're doing it better than anyone else at delivering it except for maybe Duck Dyanasty. And given AHS has better ratings than ever, when it comes to delivering over the top campy horror stuff, they're obviously doing it better than ever as far as most people are concerned. Amused to Death fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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Jan 17, 2014 00:12
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I'm still watching because, god dammit, I just want Misty Day to somehow triumph over all these other assholes. And then go spend the rest of her days twirling with Stevie Nicks.
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Doltos posted:Straight men and gay women can't like 70's fashion/broadway? I'll bite. What inspired you to make a reference to Broadway playbills? quote:Look I didn't mean to be a dick but you gotta understand that camp without a story becomes too ridiculous. Look at Rocky Horror Picture Show. Great acting, great music, completely loving ridiculous, but it works. Something about it clicks all the ridiculousness together and you can appreciate its camp value. This show leap frogged that amount of ridiculousness. I've never seen Rocky Horror. My formative years were devoted to culturally refining activities such as, dropping acid and going to a midnight showing of Heavy Metal. So I can't work with your comparison.
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Jan 17, 2014 00:35
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So, am I stretching it by hoping that the "spell over the murky bathwater" scene was a hint at some Lovecraftian Cultism for next season? I Also, this episode was ok.
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Jan 17, 2014 01:28
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solovyov posted:Playing off his 70's fashion/Broadway playbill comment is hardly playing the victim card or claiming spokesperson status. Look at you. You act like this show is great because it appeals to a gay audience, as if that's some huge civil rights achievement, meanwhile you unironically spout off gay stereotypes. This is asinine.
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Amused to Death posted:lol yes it loving does unless you grade everything on your life compared to fine art or whatever method only grades the level of artistic creativity put into a show. I hate Keeping up with the Kardashians but obviously whatever it is people want to see out of it, they're doing it better than anyone else at delivering it except for maybe Duck Dyanasty. And given AHS has better ratings than ever, when it comes to delivering over the top campy horror stuff, they're obviously doing it better than ever as far as most people are concerned. Actually, it's pretty well accepted that quality declines the more popular something becomes, especially in entertainment. The larger the number of people watching, the less intelligent and nuanced the product becomes. Producers want to keep the larger audience, so they water down the content so as not to offend or confuse the average viewer. I don't believe that they intentionally lowered the quality of AHS this season due to these reasons, but to pretend that it doesn't happen constantly in the entertainment field is really naive. I also don't have a problem with people enjoying bad art, as long as they recognize that it is, in actuality, bad. There are things that I enjoy that are absolute poo poo, but at least I'm self aware enough to understand that just because I like something doesn't make it "good".
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Calling one of these two twists for the next episode: -All of them are the supreme since they've all died once and the "Buffy->Faith" effect applies (except Zoey, and maybe she dies and is revived somehow too in the finale) -Dennis O'Hare is the supreme and has been manipulating all of them to do crazy poo poo and kill each other with his dolls- which are actually voodoo dolls.
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Jan 17, 2014 01:45
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superkittenhugs posted:Actually, it's pretty well accepted that quality declines the more popular something becomes, especially in entertainment. You're someone who says Seinfeld's peak was season 1 and 2 aren't you?
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escape artist posted:Look at you. You act like this show is great because it appeals to a gay audience, as if that's some huge civil rights achievement, meanwhile you unironically spout off gay stereotypes. This is asinine. Remember this? escape artist posted:Misty died-- for real. She was cremated. They made a point to establish that cremation means you cannot be resurrected. Look how confident you are right there that you have correctly interpreted what was plainly before you and look how wrong you are. I haven't argued the show is great. I identified a particular aspect of the show that I really enjoy, enough to justify watching it regularly without regret or disappointment. Where does this civil rights achievement nonsense come from? And what gay stereotypes am I spouting off? Is it that men who like men also enjoy blow jobs? Should I have included an aside requesting that men who like men but do not like receiving blowjobs not take the joke about gay gods denying them to you as an affront?
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Some people like thing, other people don't like thing. That's okay. Personally, I like the campy acting and angle shots and ridiculous events-out-of-nowhere, AND ALSO wish that they could hold a plotline together for longer than two episodes. To me, it's a disappointing season coming after Asylum and even Murder House, but it's still American Horror Story. v  v The new/'lighter' direction was probably a mistake in execution, but they're getting negative feedback for it so there's that. Still, here's hoping they can pull things together for Season 4-- which I have confidence in, considering the return to a past setting and what sounds like a darker plot setup (I mean come on, German accent in 1950). I'll be looking forward to it regardless-- maybe even more, just because this one went wrong.(Also, are we spoilering that? I kind of started skimming right after the article was put up because it looked like nothing but bickering for a page or two.) xeria posted:I'm still watching because, god dammit, I just want Misty Day to somehow triumph over all these other assholes. And then go spend the rest of her days twirling with Stevie Nicks. Also, this. Let Misty win, you doofs 
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Yeah I thought that episode was the best since the first couple. I'm not paying a huge amount of attention though. The "witch hunters" being slaughtered was good but wow they suck as witch hunters. I completely missed whatever Fiona did to the company.
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I keep forgetting it's one the past two episodes, which is a true sign that I've pretty much given up on the entire series. I couldn't complete the one before this last one. I think I prefer reading the comments here instead, because they are more entertaining and cohesive.
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I'm happy for anyone enjoying the show but it's really not keeping my attention anymore. I used to set time aside to watch every ep carefully and then go read the discussion in the thread but now it's been relegated to the exact same place Dexter was from season 6 onwards. Put it on in the background, and hope it interests me enough to distract me from whatever else I'm doing. It's happening less and less now. Only once last episode. The first half of the board room scene, with the powerful men facing off against the apparently weak woman was excellent camp, and delivered with more flair than just an upside down camera. Lange and Bassett brought some real joy to the scene. The writers ruined it in the second half by reducing the witch hunter's motivations to complete gibberish but for a few minutes there was something electric on the screen. Nothing else in the episode could really be classified as camp. Camp needs passion; it needs to be contradictory and exciting and peverse. Most of all it needs something to celebrate. People seem to be mistaking trash for camp. Cathy Bate's scenes last episode could have been great camp but her performance seems to suggest that she's just as confused about her character as we are. There was no flair in the (presumably) final reveal that she's been bad all along. She returns to her torturing, not with any glee but with a dour expression, if this was camp she would be reveling in her evil, but here it's presented as the logical conclusion to her murderous compulsions. We're supposed to have faith in the diegetic interiority of the character when we haven't been given a reason to. If this were camp her present day embracing of evil would be a celebration of her EXTERIORITY but it really, really wasn't. We don't need to know how the monster was created or why it decided to continue to be one, we need to love the monster! That is the exact opposite of what the attic scene was going for. This is trash, not camp; we're not celebrating the performance as she flip flops between comedic foil and villain, we're grasping for some kind of narrative justification for a nonsensical character, if this really were camp, it wouldn't matter but the tonal problems in that unpleasant attic scene with the gardener toppled over all the good work she'd been doing this season. They tried to bring it back around again with the doll and the pills but it was so overplayed that it left me cold. They had their chance and they wasted it. There's nothing knowing about this season. It's a the kind of train wreck you get when people with good intentions completely lose control of their material. It OUGHT to be campy but it's really just kind of sad. Spermanent Record fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Jan 17, 2014 |
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