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f1av0r posted:I forgot why do the witches and voodoo people hate each other. Don't worry, no one else remembers either. Including the show's main characters. "Hey Fiona, I know I sent my minotaur ex-lover to terrorize and rape one of your students (whom I later convinced to defect to my team), I hired witch hunters to kill your coven, you stole my immortal racist pet, I summoned a zombie horde to attack your school... but let's put all of that immediate past behind us and forget that we're eternal sworn enemies. I know we've been building to a confrontation all season, but the witch hunters killed all my voodoo clan and I need your protection. It's totally in character for you to accept me with open arms right now instead of take advantage of my weakness." Did we ever learn who splashed acid on Cordelia? The plotting in this show is seriously terrible. All the major threats to the coven disappear suddenly and unceremoniously, and we're left with unintersting Supreme succession drama.
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f1av0r posted:I forgot why do the witches and voodoo people hate each other. I know Kathy bates tortured the voodoo people but she didn't join the witch faction until later. Maybe I wasn't paying attention to the Salem crew messing up the New Orleans crew whenever it was explained Basically when the slaves were brought to America, they brought voodoo with them, and the Salem witches gained their powers through them. The voodoo witches have held a grudge ever since, until the Supreme before Fiona signed a peace treaty with Laveau.
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Pellisworth posted:Did we ever learn who splashed acid on Cordelia? You know what. gently caress it. I just realized that they haven't even tried to answer this yet and I completely forgot about it what with all the other crazy poo poo going on. What's up with the writing this season?
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Yeah I was just thinking what kick started all that. I remember the hair cut scene and it's clear they don't get along. But thinking back now I don't remember if they said why later in the show
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Pellisworth posted:Did we ever learn who splashed acid on Cordelia? The witch hunter guys said they "authorized it." So probably just some nameless witch hunter mook that got slaughtered by Axeman.
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QuickbreathFinisher posted:The witch hunter guys said they "authorized it." So probably just some nameless witch hunter mook that got slaughtered by Axeman. I completely missed that, then. Here I thought it was just an excuse to frame Myrtle so she could be burned at the stake and arise phoenix-like, transforming into the only entertaining character left in the show.
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OmegaBR posted:Don't why they wouldn't just kill her, unless they were trying to make her more dependent on Hank. Not a great answer, but at least they tried to answer it. I think that actually was their motivation, somehow -- Hank wasn't supposed to be anything but a spy (because he's a dumb scrub who his dad kind of scorns but not really) and blinding Cordelia was supposed to draw him further into the witch school/house fold by making Cordelia dependent on him. Instead she just seer'd his infidelity -- a result of going against his dad's wishes and striking a contract with Laveau to kill Salem witches -- and kicked him out. So in a roundabout way, if he hadn't been loving/killing other witches in the first place, Cordelia wouldn't have had anything to 'see' so she'd have presumably kept him around. Instead, he was a dumbass, she saw at least some of his shenanigans and gave him the boot, so the witch hunter corp lost their in to keep tabs on the Salem witches. I don't know if it's ever said conclusively that Fiona knew Myrtle had nothing to do with Cordelia's blinding and just lied her face off to get rid of an enemy. She could have actually thought Myrtle had something to do with it -- because she was being real stalkery about Fiona and also was spotted at the hospital post-acid -- but couldn't prove it so she used Queenie to fabricate evidence and get Myrtle punished.
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xeria posted:I don't know if it's ever said conclusively that Fiona knew Myrtle had nothing to do with Cordelia's blinding and just lied her face off to get rid of an enemy. She could have actually thought Myrtle had something to do with it -- because she was being real stalkery about Fiona and also was spotted at the hospital post-acid -- but couldn't prove it so she used Queenie to fabricate evidence and get Myrtle punished. I think we can just assume that Fiona was being Queen Bitch here and just trying to off a rival she knew was innocent. Cause that's how she rolls. And now that it has been brought up, yeah I do recall the witchhunters being behind the acid attack, but it was handled so briefly that I just kind of forgot.
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I'll bet you can handwave the Madison "nothing" afterlife into some sort of "there was nothing because being alone and not famous is your private hell!!" business.
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OmegaBR posted:Basically when the slaves were brought to America, they brought voodoo with them, and the Salem witches gained their powers through them. The voodoo witches have held a grudge ever since, until the Supreme before Fiona signed a peace treaty with Laveau. It is kind of hilariously sad that Laveau ultimately was killed by Benadryl and a Candle Stick, wielded by a racist rear end in a top hat and a doll fetishist butler ghost. Now that would be a game of Clue. angerbeet posted:I'll bet you can handwave the Madison "nothing" afterlife into some sort of "there was nothing because being alone and not famous is your private hell!!" business. As crazy incoherent as the show has been, I think the biggest thing people are overlooking with the hell shown is that is Papa Legba's hell. He owned both their souls in the end, and that is why he assigned that fate. Likewise, Queenie saw her version of Papa Legba's. I don't think he is supposed to be THE devil, though, and that others who die without being related to his power probably have a different experience. i.e. as Queenie did not sell her soul to him, I don't think she'd end up in the chicken shack if she dies normally. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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angerbeet posted:I'll bet you can handwave the Madison "nothing" afterlife into some sort of "there was nothing because being alone and not famous is your private hell!!" business. Or they'll do something where they explain multiple afterlifes and papa legba's hell is just one version of it. Blazing Ownager posted:It is kind of hilariously sad that Laveau ultimately was killed by Benadryl and a Candle Stick, wielded by a racist rear end in a top hat and a doll fetishist butler ghost. That still was the ultimate ridiculous part of the season. They're going to pass it off that the reason she died was symbolism for LaLaurie finally standing up to her bully. I will get fuckin salty as hell when I see someone say that and seriously mean it.
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Fast Luck posted:One of the highlights of the disjointed writing is that apparently a witch governing body could "detect" that something'd happened to Madison so they sent out the council to investigate. Two members of the council are brutally murdered and no follow-up investigation ever takes place and the only other thing ever revealed about greater witch society is that Stevie Nicks is a witch. Is this coven the only one in the world because I don't think so because there's voodoo witches right down the street but then why does Fiona plan to eliminate the next supreme by killing the five girls in her house. Nan called them. (You're right in principle, though.)
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Fast Luck posted:I don't get why instead of trying to save Marie Laveau, Queenie was negotiating with Papa Legba to kill her. In addition to it being the only way to kill LaLaurie, she was also insanely pissed that Laveau left her for dead pretty much instantly and went to the very people Queenie defected from. OmegaBR posted:Don't why they wouldn't just kill her, unless they were trying to make her more dependent on Hank. Yup, this is exactly it. If they divorced, they'd lose the man on the inside. They haven't covered how Fiona lost her soul, have they? I'm guessing being the Supreme consumes or destroys it in some way.
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nutranurse posted:You know what. gently caress it. I just realized that they haven't even tried to answer this yet and I completely forgot about it what with all the other crazy poo poo going on. What's up with the writing this season? It was the witch hunters, to make Cordelia need Hank even more or something. His dad admits to it, if I recall correctly. e: Oh, it was covered already. Thanks for not loading everything, phone. esperterra fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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nutranurse posted:You know, I was typing up a post full of righteous indignation at the thought that some people might like the sadistic serial killing slavemaster, but who the poo poo am I kidding. She's probably the hero to some. I liked her, but because she was one of the only fun characters this season. Her horribleness was entertaining, unlike Queenie, Fiona, or (for the most part) Laveau. And oh, how great it is that on the same episode Queenie tells Fiona to "have some respect" for Papa Legba, Murphy turns him into an analogue for Satan. My oh my. Edit: I didn't like the torture porn aspect of Lalaurie. Her lines were funny as hell, though. gnomewife fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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jscolon2.0 posted:Nan called them. (You're right in principle, though.) Oh hey I completely forgot about Nan. I guess she really is dead and returned to her home planet?
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Coconut Indian posted:Half of the season should have been dedicated to characters dealing with Papa Legba. Papa Legba is the most interesting character this season by far even though he didn't show up until recently.
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Yodzilla posted:Oh hey I completely forgot about Nan. I guess she really is dead and returned to her home planet?
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Blazing Ownager posted:It is kind of hilariously sad that Laveau ultimately was killed by Benadryl and a Candle Stick, wielded by a racist rear end in a top hat and a doll fetishist butler ghost. Is it just me, or do the ultimate deaths of characters always seem fairly unspectacular and not at all what you'd expect (in a bad way.) Fiona took an axe to the back, Nan got drowned in the tub, the devil fell over a railing, Arden killed the raspers and then himself, the Monsignor killed himself, etc. I want somebody to actually die in a horribly magical way, if not that huge final battle. Kinda like Nan forcing fundie mom to drink the bleach. nutranurse posted:You know, I was typing up a post full of righteous indignation at the thought that some people might like the sadistic serial killing slavemaster, but who the poo poo am I kidding. She's probably the hero to some. Blame the writers for making her and a slightly perverted mass axe murderer two of the most endearing characters on the show. Yodzilla posted:Oh hey I completely forgot about Nan. I guess she really is dead and returned to her home planet? She could theoretically return during the Wonder trials, but I doubt it. If she's really done, what a horrible waste of a character.
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Coconut Indian posted:Half of the season should have been dedicated to characters dealing with Papa Legba. I would've preferred an entire season of Papa Legba drinking hot chocolate and snorting up. Lance Reddick is hilarious.
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Nichael posted:I would've preferred an entire season of Papa Legba drinking hot chocolate and snorting up. Lance Reddick is hilarious. More marshmallows.
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hepscat posted:Queenie is the only one who has traveled to the underworld and returned, right? Since Madison said there was nothing after you die, whereas Queenie went to the chicken shack and bargained with Papa Legba. Maybe nothingness IS Madison's hell. Stands to reason that a self absorbed narcissist would find a black void full of nothing, including herself the most awful thing of all.
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Dear Prudence posted:Maybe nothingness IS Madison's hell. Stands to reason that a self absorbed narcissist would find a black void full of nothing, including herself the most awful thing of all. Wasn't it Kyle's hell, as well? That was what they bonded over before banging.
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How many TV shows have used the line, "A storm is coming." And then never actually delivered on the threat? I remember Babylon 5 did it years ago then the "storm (the Shadow war)" was actually the weakest part of the entire series. The build up was way better. Marcus and his rangers were a bunch of tools. Dexter did it very recently when the super-hyped "storm" was a 30 second CGI shot that ended up being completely irrelevant.. This show has delivered a storm of poo poo, but that doesn't count. edit : oh, turns out TV Tropes has a list, of course, Heroes would be on that list. Spermanent Record fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jan 25, 2014 |
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Is it sad that the best part of this season for me has been the badass intro scene?
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I don't think this season was salvageable in terms of plot or characters. Even the good characters acted completely differently episode to episode.
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droey posted:Is it sad that the best part of this season for me has been the badass intro scene? That was basically the only part of this season I enjoyed (as a piece of horror media at least, Reddick's Papa Legba was quite enjoyable). Also, I love that Ryan Murphy's idea of a woman-positive show is to put in 10,000 instances of women squabbling and murdering each other to 1 "we don't need any man's help!"
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ghostwritingduck posted:I don't think this season was salvageable in terms of plot or characters. Even the good characters acted completely differently episode to episode. I agree. I feel like the first season is still the strongest, but that might be because I like ghost stories the best.
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I really hope that the next season of this show will give Jessica Lange something different to do. She's a talented actress, but watching her stumble around playing a bitter, catty alcoholic who used to be a beauty queen has gotten old.
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Rosa Gallica posted:She's a talented actress, but watching her stumble around playing a bitter, catty alcoholic who used to be a beauty queen has gotten old. No I think it's still pretty great.
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Rosa Gallica posted:I really hope that the next season of this show will give Jessica Lange something different to do. She's a talented actress, but watching her stumble around playing a bitter, catty alcoholic who used to be a beauty queen has gotten old. I don't think I could ever get tired of that.
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In Season One, I dropped the show after the pilot and then got drawn back in based on what I read. I went into the Finale wanting to know how it would all end. In Season Two, I loved it from episode one and waiting with bated breath for the Finale to see if the could stick the landing. They did, and it was glorious. This year... I want to know who will be the next Supreme, but I'm watching more out of obligation. And yet, I will be watching. You win, Ryan Murphy.  (Next year, the Star Trek movie rules come into play again. Right?)
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Captain Mog posted:My favorite was the ridiculously hamfisted "THERE ARE NO STATISTICS TO SUGGEST GAY PEOPLE ARE WORSE PARENTS THAN STRAIGHT ONES" line that was flung at Jessica Lange by Zachary Quinto. It was just so out of place in the scene that it was almost jarring. Almost like Murphy forgot that it wasn't Glee but still wanted to shove in some sort of pro-gay message- which is commendable, but not when it's so obvious as to be jarring/PSA-ish. I forget a lot of things about that season, but this line, the way it read felt like it had quotation marks, which really pissed me off. MadSparkle fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jan 28, 2014 |
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Rosa Gallica posted:I really hope that the next season of this show will give Jessica Lange something different to do. She's a talented actress, but watching her stumble around playing a bitter, catty alcoholic who used to be a beauty queen has gotten old. I disagree. It's her niche. She owns it. I realize it's ham-fisted but I like ham. She is like the queen of perfectly cooked ham which might be overcooked for some, but the US does like things overcooked most of the time.
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