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Finally got my SSD in. I used the 128GB Samsung Evo. I couldn't justify anything more than that right now (considering that 64GB was 2 years of use and two upgrades without full reformats, not too bad). I'll definitely put a larger one in my next build when I can budget it a bit more. The speed difference is immense though, holy poo poo.
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SlayVus posted:Eh, get like 16+ GB of RAM, make a 4GB RAM Disk, put 3GB page file on RAM disk. No more writes to SSD. But who pages the pagefile????
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SlayVus posted:Eh, get like 16+ GB of RAM, make a 4GB RAM Disk, put 3GB page file on RAM disk. No more writes to SSD.
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phongn posted:That's a really bad idea! Windows absolutely operates under the assumption that it has a real pagefile separate from RAM. If you have enough RAM, writes should be relatively limited anyways. Yeah, was going to comment on that but I know Windows paging behavior has at least historically been a bit crazy (aggressive preemptive paging when tons of memory is free because Inscrutable Microsoft Reasons). Assuming they've fixed that in modern Windows, the 16GB RAM with a 3GB page file in a 4GB ram disk setup should behave normally for 0 to 12GB real memory used, degrade in performance up to 15GB, and then fall over and die thanks to running out of memory plus page file. A normal setup would have normal performance up to 16 used and then start hitting a page file on disk. If you turned paging off it would be mostly okay up to 16 used and then fall over and die. So there's just no point to the RAM disk thing, even if you're trying to avoid paging to a SSD. Turning paging off altogether is a better idea (which is still not a very good idea on almost all modern desktop operating systems).
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Long live OCZ? Anandtech reviews the OCZ Vertex 460 quote:Toshiba has finalized the purchase of the OCZ Technology group, making it a wholly owned subsidiary of the Toshiba Group Company. OCZ will still act independently as OCZ Storage Solutions, focusing on SSDs, meaning that the future of OCZ products is essentially confirmed for the future. They have a new logo as well. 
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Bob Morales posted:Long live OCZ? No-one was crazy about Toshiba SSDs either, but they didn't have the awful reputation of OCZ. Not sure what the point of this venture is.
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HalloKitty posted:No-one was crazy about Toshiba SSDs either, but they didn't have the awful reputation of OCZ. As far as I can tell, they wanted the Indilinx assets from OCZ.
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Xenomorph posted:I know the OP mentions going for Mushkin for mSATA. I grabbed a Mushkin Atlas Deluxe mSATA, 120GB, for an older device I'm using. It has some weird mSATA adapter with a Marvell chipset or something. I tried two Mushkin Atlas Deluxe mSATA SSDs. Both had the weird issue where they just disappeared from the system. Ubuntu 12.04: installed fine Windows XP: installed fine Windows 7: drive disappeared Windows 8: drive disappeared I went with the Crucial M500 120GB mSATA ($79.99 on Amazon right now) to try something "non SandForce", and that has been working well. Windows 8.1 installed without issue. Because I'm using a weird PATA to SATA bridge, OS TRIM must be disabled (crazy performance issues, stuttering, and the drive reporting "100% active" if TRIM is not disabled). So I'm at the mercy of the drive's built-in garbage collection. Is anyone familiar with the M500 series' features? Like, how aggressive is the garbage collection? Is it active, like SandForce, or more passive, like Samsung? I got this upgrade for my 2006 ThinkPad T43. I've been using it, daily, for a quite a while; so this Crucial M500 will see a lot of use. If mSATA is around for a long time, I will probably upgrade it to 240GB or higher, once the prices have come down enough. The mSATA SSD plus a PATA to SATA adapter is an easy plug and play solution for the T43. I'd rather not mess with soldering a SATA connector to the motherboard.
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HalloKitty posted:No-one was crazy about Toshiba SSDs either, but they didn't have the awful reputation of OCZ. Is there something wrong with Toshibas? I bought a Toshiba Q Pro 128GB yesterday because it was on sale for $80 and I read that benchmarks for the 128 GB were so far the best for that size. That said this is my first SSD of my own and wow, what a boot time. Also just plain everything is nice and snappy. I reinstalled Windows as well so it feels so fresh 
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Nah. It ain't the fastest or most energy efficient SSD around, but it is pretty good for the money. AnandTech was pretty impressed by the rebrand of the non-Pro Q, the Strontium Hawk. You made a good purchase.
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Ignoarints posted:Is there something wrong with Toshibas? I bought a Toshiba Q Pro 128GB yesterday because it was on sale for $80 and I read that benchmarks for the 128 GB were so far the best for that size. The Q Pro looks way better than past efforts, but I'd only buy one at a pretty hefty discount.
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Toshiba sourced SSD for macbooks have all had serious firmware updates needed to prevent data corruption.
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incoherent posted:Toshiba sourced SSD for macbooks have all had serious firmware updates needed to prevent data corruption. "Have all"? No, that's not even close to true. The Toshiba SSDs used in one model year (2012) of one Apple product line (MacBook Air) have needed one firmware update to prevent data corruption and/or failure. Apple's been using a mix of Samsung and Toshiba SSDs almost the entire time they've been shipping SSDs, and have only recently branched out to throw something else in the mix (SandForce controllers). They'd be nuts to keep going back to Toshiba if literally every time they had to issue critical firmware updates. (Also, Apple likes to get a bit involved in requesting firmware customization and doing extensive qualification testing, both HDD and SSD. I don't think they get into writing firmware themselves, but there are more reasons than cosmetic as to why their Samsung and Toshiba SSDs identify themselves via SMART as "APPLE SSD SMxxx" or "APPLE SSD TSxxx" instead of retaining the full Samsung or Toshiba brand name. That particular bug reflects badly on Apple, not just Toshiba -- it's something they probably ought to have caught with their own in-house qualification testing.)
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Speaking of Apple SSDs, I got my new rMBP today: Holy poo poo, PCIe SSDs are fast!
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What and how is the easiest way I can clone my existing Windows installation from a Samsung 840 256GB to my freshly purchased Samsung 840 EVO 250GB? Is a clean installation recommended at all?
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The Evo comes with free hard drive migration software that works perfectly fine, obviously have 6gb free on your original drive.
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Also the goto app for cloning frequently mentioned here, Macrium Reflect Free is also great, I've cloned XP and Win 7 installs without a hitch. It will auto resize partitions so you don't have to worry about wasted space.
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Just make sure System Restore is still functioning properly after you're done cloning.
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Hi Alereon et al. I just buyed the 1TB Samsung 840 EVO. Thanks for doing the research and telling me this is the best one.
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I created a separate thread for my continuing SSD problems, so it doesn't take up this thread, but dropped a link here, since I assume most of you don't frequent the Tech Support forum.
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Samsung 840 Evo mSATA drives are out and available at Newegg, you may have trouble finding them as the form factor is set to 2.5" and the interface to mini-SATA (correct is mSATA form factor, SATA600 interface). Pricing is slightly more expensive than the 2.5" versions but not as bad as MSRP would suggest. I have updated the OP to make these the default mSATA recommendation, with a fallback to the Intel SSD 525.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Speaking of Apple SSDs, I got my new rMBP today: I have an rMBP on the way so 
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If you just want >1GB/sec transfer rates you don't have to buy a $3000 facebook machine 
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Any reviews yet on the Evo mSATA drives? It would be nice to see how they stack up to the Crucial and Mushkin mSATA drives.
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Finally got my RMA replacement. Apparently Sandisk are bad at updating their external RMA status checker, drive said waiting in return and I got a knock from fedex. Will post benchmarks on the extreme II but I doubt I will add anything new to this thread. It did come with a sticky expander to help place within a laptop which is nice.
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barbarianbob posted:Hi Alereon et al. I just buyed the 1TB Samsung 840 EVO. Thanks for doing the research and telling me this is the best one. "Hey, here's your SSD. And here's the data migration utility for you, on a CD-ROM"  *doesn't have a DVD drive*
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barbarianbob posted:"Hey, here's your SSD. And here's the data migration utility for you, on a CD-ROM"
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Alereon posted:Macrium Reflect Free runs within Windows. Just disable/reenable System Restore when you're back up and running from the new drive, otherwise it gets confused when the Volume IDs change. Muchas gracias, my friend. My new drive is working smashingly now.
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Also if you do run from CD remember to turn off AHCI during the boot from cd process as most DVD drives will not read properly without an ahci driver as I found out first hand.
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The samsung migration software runs from inside windows.
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NerdPolice posted:Also if you do run from CD remember to turn off AHCI during the boot from cd process as most DVD drives will not read properly without an ahci driver as I found out first hand. Don Lapre posted:The samsung migration software runs from inside windows. ... barbarianbob posted:*doesn't have a DVD drive*
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I installed Macrium Reflect Free and It Just Worked. You don't have to talk about it anymore.
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If you have an older ocz product i feel bad for you son http://www.anandtech.com/show/7727/an-update-regarding-oczs-warranties
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Don Lapre posted:If you have an older ocz product i feel bad for you son I feel bad for PC Power & Cooling. They went from one of the best / most respected enthusiast PSU manufacturers to OCZ-esque quality, and now they get orphaned. Hopefully they get bought by someone like Enermax/Antec or let off as an independent manufacturer again. Though, if they go independent again, it's a rough time to do so. The DIY PC market ain't what it used to be.
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krooj posted:I feel bad for PC Power & Cooling. They went from one of the best / most respected enthusiast PSU manufacturers to OCZ-esque quality, and now they get orphaned. Hopefully they get bought by someone like Enermax/Antec or let off as an independent manufacturer again. Though, if they go independent again, it's a rough time to do so. The DIY PC market ain't what it used to be. I can't imagine the premium PSU market has anywhere to go but down. Everyone made the biggest margins on high wattage stuff and after the next CPU and GPU die shrinks it's going to be incredibly hard to sell 650/750/850 watt PSUs to anyone but dummies who don't know better. Even SSDs and RAM are shaving off watts these days. My dual 770s can't pull more than 505 watts from the wall. I remember the early Tom's hardware SSD tests showed that they didn't save wattage at all over spinners, but I guess everyone figured it out eventually with little fanfare.
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Zero VGS posted:I can't imagine the premium PSU market has anywhere to go but down. Everyone made the biggest margins on high wattage stuff and after the next CPU and GPU die shrinks it's going to be incredibly hard to sell 650/750/850 watt PSUs to anyone but dummies who don't know better. Even SSDs and RAM are shaving off watts these days. My dual 770s can't pull more than 505 watts from the wall.
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Alereon posted:Keep in mind that power demands from videocards have increased every generation, Crossfired R9 290(X) cards can easily use most of a 1200W power supply before overclocking. It's also important not to max out your power supply for power quality, noise, efficiency, and reliability reasons, so if you're buying less than a 750W power supply for a high-end system you are making a Bad Choice(tm). This is true, but my impression is that the enthusiast PSU market is actually in trouble thanks to reduced demand for fuckoff ridiculous CF / SLI gaming systems. Same is true of most other specialty "enthusiast" components. The money's in console games and mainstream PCs, and fancier graphics in games cost more to create, so fewer and fewer game developers deliberately target their games at running well only on cutting edge gaming PCs. For quite a while CF/SLI demand was driven mostly by people wanting to play on large and/or multiple monitors, but that's melting away as single GPUs get better and better. Maybe we'll see a return to that pattern as 4K+ monitors get cheap enough to appeal to gamers. That's why OCZ was desperate to reinvent itself by moving into the then-new SSD market. SSDs have mainstream appeal, it was a chance to break out of the enthusiast niche. Too bad they were apparently run by incompetent jerks who thought the path to glory was doing any shady thing to grab market share, and that lovely products would surely not come back to bite them in the rear end. (of course, that formula kinda sorta worked for them on RAM and so forth, but I think people get more pissed off by losing data than anything else, and also the mainstream has increased expectations for reliability compared to the overclock-till-it-smokes crowd)
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BobHoward posted:This is true, but my impression is that the enthusiast PSU market is actually in trouble thanks to reduced demand for fuckoff ridiculous CF / SLI gaming systems. Same is true of most other specialty "enthusiast" components. The money's in console games and mainstream PCs, and fancier graphics in games cost more to create, so fewer and fewer game developers deliberately target their games at running well only on cutting edge gaming PCs. For quite a while CF/SLI demand was driven mostly by people wanting to play on large and/or multiple monitors, but that's melting away as single GPUs get better and better. Maybe we'll see a return to that pattern as 4K+ monitors get cheap enough to appeal to gamers. They left the RAM market because the consumer market for performance memory is basically gone. The only reason to get high-performance RAM is if you're a competitive overclocker; the actual performance benefits are virtually nonexistent at this point. This left OCZ to head for greener, higher-margin pastures. Unfortunately, SSDs quickly became a low-margin, commodity market as manufacturers quickly hit the performance limits of the SATA interface and any idiot on the Pacific Rim with a pick-and-place line and a reference design from Sandforce could crank out a perfectly acceptable consumer drive. If you didn't have some secret sauce of your own, you had no way to make any money compared to the vertically integrated manufacturers that had their own fabs, firmware teams, or controller tech. The Indilinx purchase was their last desperate gasp at relevance in the market before the whole thing came crashing down.
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