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Rosa Gallica posted:I really hope that the next season of this show will give Jessica Lange something different to do. She's a talented actress, but watching her stumble around playing a bitter, catty alcoholic who used to be a beauty queen has gotten old. Have you ever tried watching some of the older movies she starred in, such as King Kong and All That Jazz? She's a phenomenal actress with a wide range.
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I really wish they had finished Bates/Basset arc differently. It didn't really match what I'd expect as their personal hell. Wasn't Lalaurie shoving poo poo in her daughters mouths earlier? Wasn't Laveau enjoying the torture and tear down of Lalaurie? I would have thought Lalaurie torturing Laveau for eternity with no visible payoff would have been their own personal hell.
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xeria posted:I don't know if it's ever said conclusively that Fiona knew Myrtle had nothing to do with Cordelia's blinding and just lied her face off to get rid of an enemy. She could have actually thought Myrtle had something to do with it -- because she was being real stalkery about Fiona and also was spotted at the hospital post-acid -- but couldn't prove it so she used Queenie to fabricate evidence and get Myrtle punished. If I remember correctly, she asked a favour of Queenie (or half forced her), dipping her hand in acid so Myrtle's hand had acid wounds, thus framing her and killing an adversary. EDIT: I didn't see it as her having any doubt, just being mean.
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I think a lot of the performances have been very good - Bassett as Laveau, Bates as Lalurie, Lange as Fiona, and Misty Day has been an entertaining character, but the rest of the show hasn't worked for me. The plot doesn't make sense, the characters' motivations seem to change on a dime, and they pile on CRAZY REVEAL after crazy reveal seemingly without any thought as to how it fits together. I should go watch some previous seasons I guess.
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Captain Mog posted:Have you ever tried watching some of the older movies she starred in, such as King Kong and All That Jazz? She's a phenomenal actress with a wide range. I don't care what her range is if she never has attempted to change up her acting in the last 40 episodes of AHS. It's probably not her fault that they typecasted her into a drunk old woman who used to be hot though. The only person who really varied up her roles between the seasons was Lily Rabe. Everyone else is just a carbon copy of who they were in previous seasons. Again, not a bad thing, but I'm just getting irked over how much praise Jessica Lange is getting for stumbling around a set with a glass of whiskey in her hand every week.
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Jan 28, 2014 16:19
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Fiona really does come off like Ryan Murphy and friends said, "Okay, let's take Jude and make her a witch this time! And she's kind of regretful sometimes but not really! And Lana is also a witch AND her daughter! Ooooh, twist!"
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Captain Mog posted:Have you ever tried watching some of the older movies she starred in, such as King Kong and All That Jazz? She's a phenomenal actress with a wide range. The dude abides. 
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Captain Mog posted:Have you ever tried watching some of the older movies she starred in, such as King Kong and All That Jazz? She's a phenomenal actress with a wide range. Yeah, I have! That's why I've been so disappointed by Ryan Murphy casting her as three minor variations of the same character for the entire run of this show. I'm glad that AHS has given her a chance for renewed recognition, but it's a shame it hasn't let her switch things up very much. I would love to see her play a completely different character type next season to really showcase her range.
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Rosa Gallica posted:Yeah, I have! That's why I've been so disappointed by Ryan Murphy casting her as three minor variations of the same character for the entire run of this show. I'm glad that AHS has given her a chance for renewed recognition, but it's a shame it hasn't let her switch things up very much. I would love to see her play a completely different character type next season to really showcase her range. What's the opposite of a drunken floozie hasbeen? Oh yeah, a nun ...  (I'm kidding by the way, I agree that she's been too tightly typecast but I can't imagine her as anything else at this point).
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fullroundaction posted:What's the opposite of a drunken floozie hasbeen? Oh yeah, a nun ... Her role as a Nurse Ratchetesque nun was very promising until they introduced her back story. I think it was unnecessary to make her a drunk floozy that season. It would have been much better if she just always acted like an evil head mistress who also happened to run over a kid and cover it up. Part of the problem with AHS is that is always tries to explain a character's motivations in a way to make them sympathetic. While that should be the case for the protagonist, it soon becomes overdone and trite when it reaches every single actor in the program. It removes the mystery from some of the actors. We can't ever have an evil character just because they're evil, they always have some sort of dumb reason as to why they act the way they do. The only time that wasn't the case was LaLaurie who we learned just happened to always be a jerk.
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Doltos posted:Her role as a Nurse Ratchetesque nun was very promising until they introduced her back story. I think it was unnecessary to make her a drunk floozy that season. It would have been much better if she just always acted like an evil head mistress who also happened to run over a kid and cover it up. What about Dr. Arden? Being a Nazi is hardly sympathetic.
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Jan 28, 2014 20:53
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GreenNight posted:I wish James Cromwell would have come back to play the axe man. Oh, man, that would have been awesome.
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LeJackal posted:What about Dr. Arden? Being a Nazi is hardly sympathetic. Yeah you're right, Dr. Arden is another LaLaurie. I'm trying to figure out the season 1 equivalent.
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Possibly but I enjoy seeing Cromwell.
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Doltos posted:I don't care what her range is if she never has attempted to change up her acting in the last 40 episodes of AHS. It's probably not her fault that they typecasted her into a drunk old woman who used to be hot though. I think Rabe is the only one with a wholly new character this season. Farmiga's Coven character is a weaker, wimpy Violet. Fiona is Murder House Lange. Kyle might as well be a cardboard cutout. Nan is a more fleshed-out Whatsherface.
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Jan 28, 2014 22:10
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Don't forget Spaulding, another creepy looking dude in love with Jessica Lange.
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They shoulda brought back Ian McShane to be the Axeman, minus the maudlin romance crap. Just full-on jazz and psycopathy.
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McSpanky posted:They shoulda brought back Ian McShane to be the Axeman, minus the maudlin romance crap. Just full-on jazz and psycopathy. When they brought him on in season 2 it seemed a lot like a Stevie Nicks cameo. McShane is too good of an actor for this show.
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LeJackal posted:What about Dr. Arden? Being a Nazi is hardly sympathetic. They did try to lighten his character through his love of Mary-Eunice, and made it pretty clear that without his position at the Asylum, he's really just a sad old man with many inadequacies. Speaking of, by the time the aliens had dropped Pepper off, he was already extremely confused and despondent to the events happening around him, and she made it very clear that all of his efforts were futile and a joke. Sort of the same deal with LaLaurie, confused to a world very foreign to her, and, while still evil in her own right, completely muted to the greater evils and powers around her.
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OmegaBR posted:They did try to lighten his character through his love of Mary-Eunice, and made it pretty clear that without his position at the Asylum, he's really just a sad old man with many inadequacies Who also happened to rape and murder a bunch of girls in extreme BDSM situations. Then he also continued his Nazi medical experiments on his patients. I can see where they tried to humanize him though. He kind of fell short as a character because he wasn't the main evil guy of the season. Bloodyface and I guess the devil were the two main evil guys and they sort of stole the thunder from whatever Arden was doing.
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The official AHS Facebook posted an Inside the Coven featurette on the Seven Wonders and there were multiple behind-the-scenes-probably-spoilery clips spliced in. Not sure if it's legitimately a spoiler but I'll post an incriminating screenshot from the video here (definitely maybe a spoiler). http://i.imgur.com/zcBvWxa.png
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My eyes glazed over and I read Seven Wonders as Stevie Wonder and I got real confused for a second.
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OmegaBR posted:They did try to lighten his character through his love of Mary-Eunice, and made it pretty clear that without his position at the Asylum, he's really just a sad old man with many inadequacies. Speaking of, by the time the aliens had dropped Pepper off, he was already extremely confused and despondent to the events happening around him, and she made it very clear that all of his efforts were futile and a joke. I saw that less as humanizing and more as leaning on psychosexual horror tropes, a la Alien, of repression and projection to effect violence
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Doltos posted:I don't care what her range is if she never has attempted to change up her acting in the last 40 episodes of AHS. It's probably not her fault that they typecasted her into a drunk old woman who used to be hot though. I realize she played a drunk in season 2 but she wasn't really drunk in any of the scenes. She was taut and tight. However, this entire loving show typecasts people if they aren't young or lily white. It took me a long time to watch this show purely for this reason. When I did, I liked the storytelling early on, and Jessica Lange knows how to take any role by the balls and shake the goodness out of it, so I kept watching. But I am aware of how loving boringly cookie cut most of the characters are. And when you combine it with weak storytelling such as this season, the other mistakes become glaringly obvious because they don't have any redemption anymore. Ryan Murphy is a loving idiot when it comes to writing, as far as I'm concerned. MadSparkle fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Doltos posted:Her role as a Nurse Ratchetesque nun was very promising until they introduced her back story. I think it was unnecessary to make her a drunk floozy that season. It would have been much better if she just always acted like an evil head mistress who also happened to run over a kid and cover it up. This seasons really sucks, and I say that as someone who has loved it since the first ads for Season 1 were released. It sucks so much that I haven't even watched last week's episode yet and I don't really give a poo poo. (I plan on watching it back-to-back with tonight's.) I'm still holding out hope for a better Season 4 since Murphy will actually listen to Lange and she said she prefers the dark, disturbing stuff a la Season 2. rare bird posted:The official AHS Facebook posted an Inside the Coven featurette on the Seven Wonders and there were multiple behind-the-scenes-probably-spoilery clips spliced in. Not sure if it's legitimately a spoiler but I'll post an incriminating screenshot from the video here (definitely maybe a spoiler). http://i.imgur.com/zcBvWxa.png 
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Doltos posted:Yeah you're right, Dr. Arden is another LaLaurie. I'm trying to figure out the season 1 equivalent. Lily Rabe's spooky baby and her abortion doctor husband? Though they didn't get much screentime at all.
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I'd venture that it's Dennis O'Hare's burnt man. Unlike Rabe (who was cast in a small part that became recurring when the producers really liked her), he was a regular that season, but only turned up in two-thirds of the season, and was killed off two episodes before the finale. But the show has a lot of these kinds of roles. Anyone remember Joseph Fienne's Monsignor in Asylum?
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rare bird posted:The official AHS Facebook posted an Inside the Coven featurette on the Seven Wonders and there were multiple behind-the-scenes-probably-spoilery clips spliced in. Not sure if it's legitimately a spoiler but I'll post an incriminating screenshot from the video here (definitely maybe a spoiler). http://i.imgur.com/zcBvWxa.png Hey, remember when we did that march to the pyre that was totally badass and everyone freaked out? ...think we can do that again?
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Captain Mog posted:Have you ever tried watching some of the older movies she starred in, such as King Kong and All That Jazz? She's a phenomenal actress with a wide range. If you like batshit Jessica Lange then you should watch Titus, she owns as Tamora. Actually, everybody should just watch Titus regardless because it's a rad movie.
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GreenNight posted:I wish James Cromwell would have come back to play the axe man. Very few people want to have sex with James Cromwell. Ew.
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i am bones posted:Lily Rabe's spooky baby and her abortion doctor husband? Though they didn't get much screentime at all. Jeeze I didn't even remember that Lily Rabe was in season 1. The doctor could be it, also the home invaders. I think Season 1 was so good because there was no over-arching evil guy that had to die before the good guys won. It was the house. The house was evil and mysterious and its power was never quite explained. It was just evil for the sake of evil, which is good to have when you're actively cheering for the good guys to win. It made you really feel for the miscarriage and Violet becoming maggot mouth and dad guy getting hung from the balcony by ghosts. Too bad there's none of that this season. I can't even tell you who the main bad guy is in Coven.
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Tonight on American Shaggy Dog Story: Coven: "The Seven Wonders" A new Supreme rises in the Season 3 finale. I bet it's Spaulding's baby.
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Someone else on the internet said it better than I ever could; "This is Ryan Murphy in a nut shell. He starts off all his shows pretty good and then it just spirals into a disaster. This was why I was hoping AHS would succeed, cause it only allows him a season at a time to get characters and stories worked out and ended properly. But somehow he's manged to screw this season up." Also can we somehow get this to appear at the top of every page from now on? It makes me so goddamn happy. I mean happier than it has any right to make a human being.  Hahahah oh just look at all this poo poo, oh internet: http://imgur.com/r/AmericanHorrorStory
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I have never been less excited about a finale. Paradox Personified posted:Someone else on the internet said it better than I ever could;
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Taliaquin posted:I have never been less excited about a finale. It's almost like he tries to make his characters these really complex, fascinating individuals with intricate backstories & depth, and they are at first. But then, as his shows go on, they devolve into parodies of themselves who are a bit TOO weird and off-kilter. See: most characters on Nip/Tuck, nearly everyone on Glee, most of this season of AHS. He could really take notes from people like Joss Whedon & David Benioff who craft their characters to be compelling and unusual without devolving into ridiculous caricatures. Captain Mog fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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