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Nichael posted:You know where the vampires/witches/mutants are oppressed just like gays/minorities/women metaphor falls apart? Where you stop to consider that the latter are absolutely normal people, and the former are rampaging lunatics who routinely murder with their minds. Being a witch isn't a choice, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd want to live near one when they are routinely conjuring up axe men ghosts, and murdering people through mind control. I'd love someone to interview Murphy and ask him why he made a show where rich, straight, white, old men who hunted minorities were the good guys.
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Sobranie Cocktail Cigarettes. Absolutely a Myrtle thing, fashion cigarettes. They come in a 20 pack with 5 different colors. Sort of a big deal in the 80's along with Sobranie Black Russians which have black paper and gold filter. This along with Balenciaga and Knotty Pine were the only three things I liked in the bubbling cauldron of suck that was this episode and series ending.
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the truth posted:People saying this season was like Dexter have probably forgotten how bad Dexter actually was at the end. Like how do you make a show so bad that Yvonne Strahovski is unbearable to watch?
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I don't care that people hated Coven. It was just batshit insane and that made me happy. That's all I expect from American Horror Story, just insanity.
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Ahhh Real Zombies! posted:I'm just going to pretend that the baby was found and returned to her parents off screen, and not still in the attic with the creepy butler ghost whatever. I thought the way they took Misty out was just absolutely hosed. Putting her in hell and then just frying her on the spot was terrible. I kept hoping she'd self-resurrect somehow as it was kind of her thing, but nope. I mean the worst part is they helldumped a character who didn't even deserve to be in hell. Nichael posted:You know where the vampires/witches/mutants are oppressed just like gays/minorities/women metaphor falls apart? Where you stop to consider that the latter are absolutely normal people, and the former are rampaging lunatics who routinely murder with their minds. Being a witch isn't a choice, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd want to live near one when they are routinely conjuring up axe men ghosts, and murdering people through mind control. I also wonder how the revelation of their secret society to the world will play with the local legal system when they go burning witches alive and all. I kind of think that now that they are a known thing, maybe they could just use the courts? Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Blazing Ownager posted:I also wonder how the revelation of their secret society to the world will play with the local legal system when they go burning witches alive and all. I kind of think that now that they are a known thing, maybe they could just use the courts? Considering witches are capable of bus flipping telekinesis, pyrokinesis, healing, rituals that can take down worldwide corporations, mind control, seeing the future, and oh yeah, raising the dead, you'd think more than just a bunch of potential witches would be gathering at the gate.
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hepscat posted:Cordelia's injured eyes were so hard to look at that when she appeared as a healed person at the end I felt like I was staring at the most beautiful woman in the world. It's not just that. Before the injuries she never wore much makeup, hence the strong contrast post-supremery.
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Not so fun fact: That episode wrapped filming 13 days ago. Rubbish is not an adequate way to describe it.
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That Rough Beast posted:I just thought of something: if you have to demonstrate the power to bring someone back to life to become the Supreme, does this mean Fiona could have revived anyone at any given moment because I can't quite think how but I'm pretty sure that fucks an already tattered continuity to pieces. Fast Luck posted:They explicitly said earlier, after Misty brought someone back to life, that it was more impressive than any of the seven wonders. So yeah they have no idea. xeria posted:Well really she did use that power after Queenie got gutted by the minotaur (and it looked exactly the same way as Queenie reviving Misty last week). It kind of seemed like for a while they were trying to make a distinction between 'resurgence' (that thing Misty had) and whatever the revivify power all the girls seem to have, but probably not or the writers forgot about it.
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You know my favorite part about the season? The fact that the witches forget they have powers every time they are confronted by a dude without powers. Guy with guns: Stare blankly at them. Guy choking you: Groan and squirm a bit. Two women drowning you in a tub: Thrash around kicking and screaming a bit. (In the vision) A guy stab you in the shoulder with an axe? Crawl aimlessly around until you get whacked again. These people can flip buses with the slightest motion. Madison could perform 6 of the 7 wonders. Why the hell didn't she TK Frankentate into the air and strip the flesh from his bones with hellfire for trying to choke her?? Why didn't she mind control him and make him jump out a window? Hell, even Laveou causes this to be a problem, because she was shown awake when getting chopped up against a non-magical racist. Couldn't she do that crazy mind-scream thing she took out the guards with? All in all these are the stupidest loving EDIT: Also anyone notice they cut the self-immolation wonder, likely because it was too expensive to film? I honestly thought if Misty was going to die, she'd died on that one, given her past with fire. I'm still pissed how lame her death was. Why was the only girl that was capable of self-revival the only one that couldn't escape the afterlife? Shitenshi posted:What the gently caress did I just watch. You just summed the whole season up perfectly. This should be the new thread title. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Ugh. I can't hate AHS Coven, but I can certainly am incredibly frustrated by it. It's a show with an amazing cast, brilliant cinematography, vibrant backstories and location and Ryan Murphy's shithouse writing pissed it all away. Murphy's good for big ideas, but not for actually producing a tv show. So many frustrating moments from the finale and so so so many from the entire series. I just have to share a few because  - Why did they do the 7 wonders test with arguably the most dangerous (The trip to hell) smack in the middle? Why not leave the most dangerous until last? - Queenie bringing back Misty but then can't bring back Zoe. - Madison easily being killed by the Frankenstein of rapey frat boys she killed in the first episode. - Myrtle's idiotic martyrdom. - SURPRISE I'M NOT DEAD!~~ OH NOW I AM. As for the series - The timesuck of Zoe & Tate. The only good thing Zoe did was rapekill a guy and chainsaw a zombie. - Mostly everything else. I want Season 4 to be amazing. Did anyone figure out what the clue to the next season is yet?
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Andrew_1985 posted:- Why did they do the 7 wonders test with arguably the most dangerous (The trip to hell) smack in the middle? Why not leave the most dangerous until last? What is the point of that wonder? When would it ever be useful? I cant remember if it was (prob badly) explained.
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I am so loving disappointed. I agree with the previous poster who said that at least the end of Dexter was laughably bad. This was just bad. I said before that I wanted them to play "Silver Springs" so I guess I got what I wanted there... just in a lovely context and they didn't even do the cool part of the song. For one moment I really thought Myrtle was going to reveal herself as the Supreme when Cordelia was playing with the map. That would have maybe redeemed the last half of the episode. But nope. Balenciaga kind of owns, though. Andrew_1985 posted:I want Season 4 to be amazing. Did anyone figure out what the clue to the next season is yet?
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Regarding Cordelia not being able to conceive, remember that she was married to a witch hunter who would be motivated to not have a child with the "enemy", even if he was a colossal fuckup. She's probably perfectly capable of having a child.
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I'd watch a Coven saturday morning cartoon with Madison, Zoe, Queenie, and Nan travelling the country, solving mysteries. Kathy Bates as Scoob I liked zoe and madison both, equally, using tate as a pawn to piss each other off. and myrtle's faaabulousness. and i'm extremely relieved this show is over, woot! it's over.
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Balthesar posted:Regarding Cordelia not being able to conceive, remember that she was married to a witch hunter who would be motivated to not have a child with the "enemy", even if he was a colossal fuckup. She's probably perfectly capable of having a child. They had scenes of her at the doctor being told she was infertile. It's just bad writing.
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Andrew_1985 posted:- Why did they do the 7 wonders test with arguably the most dangerous (The trip to hell) smack in the middle? Why not leave the most dangerous until last? There's a set order it's supposed to be done in. Madison near the end wanted to skip divination and go to reanimation and Myrtle was like "No, we do this by the book"
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Amused to Death posted:There's a set order it's supposed to be done in. Madison near the end wanted to skip divination and go to reanimation and Myrtle was like "No, we do this by the book" Except that Myrtle had previously said "since we're breaking tradition, we might as well start with my favorite..." - so she'd already changed the order. Again, it's just bad writing.
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So why did Myrtle commit suicide again? I mean I know why according to the show, but why did they think that was something worth filming? Dexter has taught me not to stick with bad shows. I'm out until the end of season 4 now, if it's good then I'll hear about it.
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Kat Delacour posted:They had scenes of her at the doctor being told she was infertile. It's just bad writing. Gah, forgot about that. Forgot about a lot of this season tbh.
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I like how Cordelia's eyes randomly healed themselves. I guess she needed to have radiant health, so why not have it happen for no reason. I really wanted to like this season, but it was a goddamned mess. Whoever said that Frances Conroy was carrying the show on her back was right.
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Last Chance posted:Whoever said that Frances Conroy was carrying the show on her back was right. I agree (at least for the last part of the season) but if she played it any less over-the-top her character would have been an embarrassing mess as well.
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I wonder how much of the show up through the first 9 or so episodes was laid out in anticipation of having two seasons to tell this story instead of one. Like maybe the witch hunters were actually supposed to be more of a threat than just boardroom shenanigans and Hank gunning down Marie's folks, but then they only had 4 episodes left to resolve them, the Supreme, and the Laveau/LaLaurie stuff.
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xeria posted:I wonder how much of the show up through the first 9 or so episodes was laid out in anticipation of having two seasons to tell this story instead of one. Like maybe the witch hunters were actually supposed to be more of a threat than just boardroom shenanigans and Hank gunning down Marie's folks, but then they only had 4 episodes left to resolve them, the Supreme, and the Laveau/LaLaurie stuff. I've never heard anything about plans to do multi-season stories with AHS. Some of the complaints about this season I also had about Asylum, there was just too much going on and nothing ever got the attention it needed to have any impact. I get that the show is about throwing as much insane poo poo as possible into the mix all at once, but there's a limit to how much material you can cover and still maintain a consistent narrative. That's why we had Frankentate disappearing for episodes on end, there just wasn't enough screen time for all this poo poo.
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Basebf555 posted:I've never heard anything about plans to do multi-season stories with AHS. Some of the complaints about this season I also had about Asylum, there was just too much going on and nothing ever got the attention it needed to have any impact. I get that the show is about throwing as much insane poo poo as possible into the mix all at once, but there's a limit to how much material you can cover and still maintain a consistent narrative. That's why we had Frankentate disappearing for episodes on end, there just wasn't enough screen time for all this poo poo. I suspect the behind the scenes shenanigans had something to do with all of that.
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Basebf555 posted:I've never heard anything about plans to do multi-season stories with AHS. Some of the complaints about this season I also had about Asylum, there was just too much going on and nothing ever got the attention it needed to have any impact. I get that the show is about throwing as much insane poo poo as possible into the mix all at once, but there's a limit to how much material you can cover and still maintain a consistent narrative. That's why we had Frankentate disappearing for episodes on end, there just wasn't enough screen time for all this poo poo. It was either a plain article or an interview with the writer(s) mid-season where they revealed that they'd considered either a spinoff or a continuation of Coven into a second season that got nixed while filming the 8th or 9th episode (whichever one it is where Hank shoots up the salon and Queenie appears to die). When they got to writing/filming that episode, they realized they'd put themselves in a position of either pulling back on a planned character death or not going through with the continuation idea, so they opted for the latter. Found an article that talks about it: http://starcasm.net/archives/258341 quote:In an interview with Entertainment Weekly for their American Horror Story: Coven cover story in December, Murphy revealed that they had been considering the notion of a Coven spin-off series, and that concept still had legs more than halfway through filming the current season. “We were starting to break episode 8 or 9 and we were like, ‘Well, we can’t kill that person off because we need them for the spinoff.’ As soon as those words were said, I was like, ‘There is no spinoff.’ Because it took away from the joy of the show. The reason the show is successful is no one is safe ever,” Murphy said.
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Sooooo, why'd Axe Man get heaven after axeing a bunch of people to death?
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Call Me Charlie posted:Sooooo, why'd Axe Man get heaven after axeing a bunch of people to death? He made a deal with Papa Legba off-screen. That's why Fiona couldn't make a deal with him, she was already unknowingly part of axeman's request.
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Andrew_1985 posted:I want Season 4 to be amazing. Did anyone figure out what the clue to the next season is yet? The clue was EPCOT. It's gonna be an Escape from Tomorrow-esque clusterfuck shot entirely in Disney World.
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I was so hoping for Fiona to kill Cordelia during their hug. When she collapsed in her arms I actually said out loud, "you've gotta be kidding me."
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I think if the coven had had like, three more girls (and maybe a boy) in it, it would have been better for the overall story. The bigger number of characters in the Asylum worked out well, because it allowed all of them to have relatively simple motivations that interact with each others interests, which drove the story. The fact that like four or five characters had to drive the majority of the plot this season made everyone feel like clouded messes with no real motivation or consistent goals. Fleshing out a few more "minor" characters might have done the trick to keep characters a bit more grounded and less "I am doing this because the plot needs to continue.  " I realize that this season already felt unfocused, but that's mainly because the characters were constantly contradicting themselves. The show felt like it was really missing male characters. If Quinto had been the witch hunter and Cromwell the head of the company (Danny Huston was way too good as the Axeman), maybe flesh out Alexandra Breckenridge's character (they could even still let the hunters kill her, just make her not a random character that only meets Cordelia once before getting shot in the head), and have Chloe Sevigny, Clea Duvall, and/or Lizzie Brocherie as some other girls in the coven, it could have made everything feel way less empty and crazy. I can't stop watching the opening scene of this episode. It's no Name Game, but goddamn is it close. I had the biggest  on my face through it the whole first time I saw it. It reminded me of Dawson's Creek or Scrubs or something. Pure cheese.  BreakAtmo posted:I still want AHC: Mars with Bryan Cranston. Yo. This is good. QuickbreathFinisher fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Jan 30, 2014 |
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Dienes posted:Was this hinted at somewhere and I missed it, or are you better at story telling than the writers of the show? Really, now. That would be a legit explanation. The Axeman bartering with Fiona's soul so they could be together forever would be pretty  . Not completely sure what the terms would have been, though.
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It'd be a neat twist but then just 2-3 episodes ago, Papa Legba refused Fiona's own deal because she didn't have a soul so I don't know what the Axeman would have to barter with. Unless he made the deal while he was still incorporeal earlier in the season, or something, and that's why she didn't have a soul for herself to barter with.
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xeria posted:Unless he made the deal while he was still incorporeal earlier in the season, or something, and that's why she didn't have a soul for herself to barter with. As a ghost, he'd probably have easy access to Papa Legba. Explanation works for me.
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