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ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

kalonZombie posted:

I'm trying to get the Game Capture HD software that comes with the Elgato to play nice with Skype calls. How would I go about doing that?

Are you doing this for a stream?

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kalonZombie: May 24, 2010; D&D 3.5 Book of Erotic Fantasy

ChaosArgate posted:

Are you doing this for a stream?

Yeah. As far as I can tell, there's no way to get Game Capture HD to pick up Skype calls on it's own, and I can't seem to get OBS to recognize my twitch channel.

# ? Jan 30, 2014 18:26

timp: Sep 19, 2007; Everything is in my control; Lipstick Apathy

kalonZombie posted:

Yeah. As far as I can tell, there's no way to get Game Capture HD to pick up Skype calls on it's own, and I can't seem to get OBS to recognize my twitch channel.

I am a complete novice to all this, but it sounds like you may want to go with TeamSpeak instead of Skype. http://www.teamspeak.com/

I was trying to set up my audio for a stream and kept running into problems, when I came across this. Didn't exactly help me with what I needed but I liked the simple goon-written explanation. http://lparchive.org/techsupport/guide-vac.html Remove everything after techsupport/ for more goon guides. Granted I think all of these are in the OP, but this seems to compile the most common issues into one short list.

Also regarding OBS, I've had a much smoother time getting XSplit to work than OBS, despite virtually everything I read and everyone I know telling me that OBS is better. They're both really easy to use but OBS doesn't seem to like my video drivers, no matter how many times I update them.

# ? Jan 30, 2014 18:41

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

kalonZombie posted:

Yeah. As far as I can tell, there's no way to get Game Capture HD to pick up Skype calls on it's own, and I can't seem to get OBS to recognize my twitch channel.

What I usually do is use VAC to combine my microphone and my system audio into a virtual line-in cable and then have Game Capture HD use that as the commentary source for the live commentary.

# ? Jan 30, 2014 18:41

theshim: May 1, 2012; You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!

Extremely dumb basic question: I've got a (ridiculously huge) video file from FRAPS and the audio I recorded in Audacity; what should I use to mash them together? I'll fiddle with audio levels a bit but I'm not really doing any editing to this, I just need to get the audio from the mic onto the video and then compress it down. What (preferably free) program should I use for this, and is there anything else I should know?

# ? Jan 30, 2014 23:02

discworld is all I read: Apr 7, 2009; DAIJOUBU!! ... Daijoubu ?? ?

theshim posted:

Extremely dumb basic question: I've got a (ridiculously huge) video file from FRAPS and the audio I recorded in Audacity; what should I use to mash them together? I'll fiddle with audio levels a bit but I'm not really doing any editing to this, I just need to get the audio from the mic onto the video and then compress it down. What (preferably free) program should I use for this, and is there anything else I should know?

So I assume what you're wanting to do is combine the your audio commentary with the video? That's easy enough to do with avisynth and MeGui, but I want to make sure that's what you want to do before I ramble off some simple instructions.

# ? Jan 30, 2014 23:11

MegaZeroX: Dec 11, 2013; "I'm Jack Frost, ho! Nice to meet ya, hee ho!"

How do you get rid of the default gallery in LPix? Or, at the very least, how can you rename it?

# ? Jan 30, 2014 23:54

theshim: May 1, 2012; You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!

Niggurath posted:

So I assume what you're wanting to do is combine the your audio commentary with the video? That's easy enough to do with avisynth and MeGui, but I want to make sure that's what you want to do before I ramble off some simple instructions.

This is correct. Just combine my audio with the video and then get it down to a manageable size (right now the FRAPS video is just under 90gb :v:

)

# ? Jan 31, 2014 00:41

discworld is all I read: Apr 7, 2009; DAIJOUBU!! ... Daijoubu ?? ?

theshim posted:

This is correct. Just combine my audio with the video and then get it down to a manageable size (right now the FRAPS video is just under 90gb )

Then that's super simple; you'll basically want two programs (that are linked on the wiki and the OP I think): avisnyth and Megui. A basic guide to both are also listed in the OP as well (Megui Guide and Avisynth Guide). Avisynth will allow you to connect and slap together an easy script that you then pop into Megui, and following the guide, will compress the video down into a reasonably sized format and quality.

But your script is probably going to look like:

code:

v=avisource("video name.avi")
a=wavsource("commentary audio.wav")
audiodub(a,v)

The avisource signifies what your video file is, wavsource is your audio commentary (assuming you used wav and avi files), and audiodub will replace the audio in your video with the commentary.

discworld is all I read fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jan 31, 2014

# ? Jan 31, 2014 00:46

TheBrigand: Aug 23, 2013; Video Games

I'm looking for a capture card that does HD for a Let's Play currently, and I found some good resources about that through this thread, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what to get for SD games since I'd like to do a few that are in the Let's Play request thread. I was thinking about getting the Black Magic Intensity Pro since it has both HD and SD inputs, but I'm not sure if I want to get that since the reviews are so polarized, and I can't really tell if that's a good long term investment.

Any suggestions?

# ? Jan 31, 2014 03:56

theshim: May 1, 2012; You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!

Niggurath posted:

Then that's super simple; you'll basically want two programs (that are linked on the wiki and the OP I think): avisnyth and Megui. A basic guide to both are also listed in the OP as well (Megui Guide and Avisynth Guide). Avisynth will allow you to connect and slap together an easy script that you then pop into Megui, and following the guide, will compress the video down into a reasonably sized format and quality.

But your script is probably going to look like:
code:
v=avisource("video name.avi")
a=wavsource("commentary audio.wav")
audiodub(a,v)
The avisource signifies what your video file is, wavsource is your audio commentary (assuming you used wav and avi files), and audiodub will replace the audio in your video with the commentary.

Okay, I didn't clarify. I don't want to replace the audio from the video, I want to mix the video audio and the recording. Is there any easy way to do that?

# ? Jan 31, 2014 05:33

EntranceJew: Nov 5, 2009

The easiest way to work with audio is to mix and merge tracks in Audacity. VirtualDub has the ability to export a wav from the current video and you can use MeGUI to export just the audio of the original video as any format you prefer. (I prefer flac.) You can import that into Audacity, import the commentary, do any ducking you may need, then export it as whatever format you want. (Again, I prefer flac.) You can then use Niggurath's steps to combine them.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 05:46

discworld is all I read: Apr 7, 2009; DAIJOUBU!! ... Daijoubu ?? ?

EntranceJew posted:

The easiest way to work with audio is to mix and merge tracks in Audacity. VirtualDub has the ability to export a wav from the current video and you can use MeGUI to export just the audio of the original video as any format you prefer. (I prefer flac.) You can import that into Audacity, import the commentary, do any ducking you may need, then export it as whatever format you want. (Again, I prefer flac.) You can then use Niggurath's steps to combine them.

Aye, yeah, sorry forgot to mention the combining of the game audio and your commentary with something like Audacity. But in addition to what EntranceJew said, you can also pull audio straight from a video with Audacity.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 06:03

theshim: May 1, 2012; You think you can defeat ME, Ephraimcopter?!?

You couldn't even beat Assassincopter!!!

Ah, all right. I probably won't get a chance to work on it until Saturday night, but I'll give it a shot. Thanks, guys!

# ? Jan 31, 2014 06:18

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

TheBrigand posted:

I'm looking for a capture card that does HD for a Let's Play currently, and I found some good resources about that through this thread, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what to get for SD games since I'd like to do a few that are in the Let's Play request thread. I was thinking about getting the Black Magic Intensity Pro since it has both HD and SD inputs, but I'm not sure if I want to get that since the reviews are so polarized, and I can't really tell if that's a good long term investment.

Any suggestions?

You can grab the Elgato Game Capture HD for at least $50 USD less and it has SD and HD inputs.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 06:31

Xenoveritas: May 9, 2010; Dinosaur Gum

It's also possible to do the mixing in pure AviSynth:

code:

video = AviSource("original.avi")
audio = WAVSource("commentary.wav")

# Commentary audio needs to have the same sample rate as the original:
audio = audio.SSRC(video.AudioRate())

# If necessary, make commentary track stereo to match the original
audio = MergeChannels(audio, audio)

# Mix the commentary track and original audio together
audio = MixAudio(video, audio, 0.5)
# And dub it to the video
video = AudioDub(video, audio)
return video

However, you can't do ducking or anything like that using this method, so the "process in Audacity" method is still preferred.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 07:54

PAMaster: Mar 2, 2013; Tiger Bard Apprentice

Rendered in 640x480, and this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65mrM_89Odc

Edit: After trial and error, 640x402 seems to produce no boxes along the top, bottom, or sides of the frame. But there's no render option for this.

PAMaster fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jan 31, 2014

# ? Jan 31, 2014 09:48

MEAT!: Mar 18, 2008

PAMaster posted:

Rendered in 640x480, and this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65mrM_89Odc

Edit: After trial and error, 640x402 seems to produce no boxes along the top, bottom, or sides of the frame. But there's no render option for this.

Never recorded from a gamecube before, but if it's anything like recording from a PS2 with composite cables, this might help you out.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 10:22

Mico: Jan 29, 2011; A billion dollars.

Hey this is a shot in the dark (Dish is probably the only one who might actually have it) but does anyone have libvo-aacenc-0.dll

I kind of need it to render my stupid insistence on HTML5 compliant video. It's up and vanished from my computer for whatever loving reason.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 10:39

MEAT!: Mar 18, 2008

Do you have ffdshow installed?

Edit: that or you can get it from one of the window release builds of Libav.

MEAT! fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Jan 31, 2014

# ? Jan 31, 2014 11:28

Mico: Jan 29, 2011; A billion dollars.

That solved the problem, but led me to a new problem where avconv.exe just says it was unable to start.

I'm not sure what the deal is though. I'm not making an aac file, I'm making an ogg vorbis file.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 12:23

Mico: Jan 29, 2011; A billion dollars.

Nevermind, I managed to solve it. Libav just got totally hosed somehow and downloading the latest nightly build seems to have fixed it.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 12:35

Kuvo: Oct 27, 2008; Blame it on the misfortune of your bark!; Fun Shoe

ChaosArgate posted:

Without some fancy HDCP stripping, nothing will record PS3 HDMI. I get the impression that it'd be illegal for a capture device to strip HDCP, so you're out of luck there if you want that.

For what it's worth there are fairly simple ways to get around the HDCP on PS3/4 (and I assume XBONE) if you willing to spend ~50bux on gear. However this is getting into some :filez:

territory so I wont post the method here without explicit mod approval.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 17:01

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Is it just me or does NVIDIA Shadowplay makes recordings super dark? Also I think the sound I had on my test recording last night got desynced somehow. I was hoping I might be able to use it instead of hooking up my PC to my Elgato and recording like that, but if it records things with such bad gamma and can't keep audio synced, I might just stick to Elgato.

# ? Jan 31, 2014 17:03

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

It might not take your ingame gamma adjustments into consideration - that's my first guess. On the other hand, for me dark places are dark and bright places are bright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6eb9Da0thE

I've had issues with desync but it's odd and not consistent. A couple things I'd try to test:
-See if continuous recording is the issue. I've noticed problems here more often than if I just use the Shadowplay buffer to save the last X minutes of footage.
-See if dropping the record bitrate from 50 down to like, 35 helps. Youtube's going to crush that to something like 8 anyway.
-See if the latest update which came in like yesterday does anything

I've got some footage from yesterday that I need to review for desync because I made a couple of these changes myself and want to see if they did anything.

e: at the end of the day I think once nvidia makes this work for streamers and people interested in sick 360 noscope montages, they probably won't give much of a poo poo about the rest of us.

Psion fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Jan 31, 2014

# ? Jan 31, 2014 17:34

TheBrigand: Aug 23, 2013; Video Games

ChaosArgate posted:

You can grab the Elgato Game Capture HD for at least $50 USD less and it has SD and HD inputs.

Thanks! It wasn't in the OP so I looked at one Elgato product and kinda assumed that was the only type of product because I'm terrible at researching hardware.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 01:38

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

TheBrigand posted:

Thanks! It wasn't in the OP so I looked at one Elgato product and kinda assumed that was the only type of product because I'm terrible at researching hardware.

No problem! I'm not sure why Elgato's not in the OP, to be honest, considering that it's a good device and quite a few goons here use it.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 02:38

Xenoveritas: May 9, 2010; Dinosaur Gum

Wait, it isn't? It's on the wiki. I know, because I personally added it to the wiki. It should be. I guess Zeratanis grabbed an earlier version of the page.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 02:46

MEAT!: Mar 18, 2008

The elgato came out after I originally made the OP. I guess Zeratanis never got around to adding it. The hardware section needs a clean up either way.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 03:24

Zeratanis: Jun 16, 2009; That's kind of a weird thought isn't it?

Agree. I want to redo the hardware section to be more inline with software(or the microphone section I added), and I asked for people's opinion on items so I could get an idea on what to write for each item, buut not many people responded to it.

Not adding the Elgato is totally an oopsie though since I did add one or two new things. :shobon:

I'll look into it later tonight.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 04:31

Geop: Oct 26, 2007

I've heard good things about the Elgato compared to the Happauge HD PVR 2 :v:

Tempted to take the plunge on it, honestly.

Also, recording on the PS3 using HDMI isn't really what I'd consider dodgy/illegal given what most users here would be doing with it. Heck, this is listed out in the open on Amazon.

Haven't done much testing, but I'm seeing occasional video artifacts while recording. It might be due to that doodad showing its age or my HD PVR 2 is crapping itself. I've heard the Elgato comes with its own adapter to record PS3/4 HDMI footage, however.

Geop fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Feb 1, 2014

# ? Feb 1, 2014 15:45

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Geop posted:

I've heard good things about the Elgato compared to the Happauge HD PVR 2 Tempted to take the plunge on it, honestly.

Also, recording on the PS3 using HDMI isn't really what I'd consider dodgy/illegal given what most users here would be doing with it. Heck, this is listed out in the open on Amazon.

Haven't done much testing, but I'm seeing occasional video artifacts while recording. It might be due to that doodad showing its age or my HD PVR 2 is crapping itself. I've heard the Elgato comes with its own adapter to record PS3/4 HDMI footage, however.

It doesn't have any way to record PS3 HDMI footage, but it does have a cable that goes directly to the component out of the PS3/PS4.

Speaking of the Elgato, I'm having some really nasty desync issues with it. Does anyone have any insight as to why? I've tried recording my PC and my PS3 and they both desync, so I don't know if its the source.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 16:04

Mico: Jan 29, 2011; A billion dollars.

ChaosArgate posted:

It doesn't have any way to record PS3 HDMI footage, but it does have a cable that goes directly to the component out of the PS3/PS4.

Speaking of the Elgato, I'm having some really nasty desync issues with it. Does anyone have any insight as to why? I've tried recording my PC and my PS3 and they both desync, so I don't know if its the source.

The PVR2 comes with a PS3 component cable as well. I already had one though so it's just kind of sitting in a box in my living room.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 16:40

judge reinhold: Jul 26, 2001

Geop posted:

I've heard good things about the Elgato compared to the Happauge HD PVR 2 Tempted to take the plunge on it, honestly.

Also, recording on the PS3 using HDMI isn't really what I'd consider dodgy/illegal given what most users here would be doing with it. Heck, this is listed out in the open on Amazon.

Haven't done much testing, but I'm seeing occasional video artifacts while recording. It might be due to that doodad showing its age or my HD PVR 2 is crapping itself. I've heard the Elgato comes with its own adapter to record PS3/4 HDMI footage, however.

I upgraded from a PVR 2 to the Elgato after one of my recordings came out bizarrely mangled. It's smaller and the software is not quite as bloated as the PVR 2, so that's a plus. I have a mess of cables so I'm not sure what came from which device, but there's some gizmo that converts component into s-video.

judge reinhold fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Feb 1, 2014

# ? Feb 1, 2014 17:06

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Here's a video that has the desync issues. Also there seems to be an issue with skipping a huge segment?

Desync test, spoilers for Metal Gear Rising final boss.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 17:38

Geop: Oct 26, 2007

ChaosArgate posted:

Here's a video that has the desync issues. Also there seems to be an issue with skipping a huge segment?

Desync test, spoilers for Metal Gear Rising final boss.

Take a look near loading screens for worsening desync. I've had lots of issues with the PVR 2 dropping frames when the screen goes black (ie: loading screen). It ends up with the video track being a little bit shorter than the audio, and, over time, it gets progressively worse.

judge reinhold posted:

I upgraded from a PVR 2 to the Elgato after one of my recordings came out bizarrely mangled. It's smaller and the software is not quite as bloated as the PVR 2, so that's a plus. I have a mess of cables so I'm not sure what came from which device, but there's some gizmo that converts component into s-video.

Between weird artifacting and just goofy desync issues (see above), I'm willing to jettison the PVR 2

I actually had better luck with the PVR 1; the only reason I got this was because I wanted to record via HDMI.

Geop fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 1, 2014

# ? Feb 1, 2014 18:20

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Wait weren't you the person having desync issues with Shadowplay and now the Elgato? Unless this is total coincidence, I think it's your computer, not the device. HD write speed maybe? CPU not being able to keep up with the encoding? I dunno.

# ? Feb 1, 2014 18:24

ChaosArgate: Oct 10, 2012; Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Psion posted:

Wait weren't you the person having desync issues with Shadowplay and now the Elgato? Unless this is total coincidence, I think it's your computer, not the device. HD write speed maybe? CPU not being able to keep up with the encoding? I dunno.

Yeah... I'm gonna try hooking up the Elgato through my laptop later when I get home and seeing if there's any desync like that.

Edit: None whatsoever. I guess I'll do my recording and stuff through that.

ChaosArgate fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 1, 2014

# ? Feb 1, 2014 18:42

Kangra: May 7, 2012

I'm thinking of doing an LP of a (Windows) game that doesn't allow saving. The game is intended as a short exercise (it's almost an experimental/art game) in which the player is faced with a series of options, and in all is supposed to take only a few minutes. The starting state is also different every time. For whatever reasons, I'd rather show it off with forum voting. The game has at most 24 turns but can end sooner than that, and I'd probably go about 1 turn/day.

I imagine I can probably get by with just keeping it open, and not ever fully shutting down Windows while the LP is on-going (along with a warning that I could screw it up at any time, because if you hit the ESC key the game just quits immediately). But if anyone knows of some a simple way to preserve the state of a program, it would certainly make things a bit easier.

vvvv
How easy/difficult is installing or using a virtual machine? I can dual boot to XP or Windows 8.1.

Kangra fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Feb 2, 2014

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Admiral H. Curtiss: May 11, 2010; I think there are a bunch of people who can create trailing images. I know some who could do this as if they were just going out for a stroll.

Install a virtual machine and suspend/resume it while keeping backups of the machine state?

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