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Madmarker posted:Because it makes the faeries free? You lose a lot on using Vial, in contrast to merfolk. For starters, it's innate card disadvantage, and faeries lacks the homogeneity in mana cost among its lords (it has one lord) as well as Silvergill Adept to recoup those costs. What's more is that innate flash on most faeries takes away one of the strong points of vial.
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Scion of Oona is almost definitely a 4 of in UB faerie decks. I think I like playing the following as my creature base 4 Scion 4 Spellstutter 4 Bitterblossom 3 Mistbind Clique 2 Vendillion Clique 3 Creeping Tarpit 4 Mutavault I don't know how good that is, but I like it.
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Feb 4, 2014 18:13
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Zoness posted:You lose a lot on using Vial, in contrast to merfolk. For starters, it's innate card disadvantage, and faeries lacks the homogeneity in mana cost among its lords (it has one lord) as well as Silvergill Adept to recoup those costs. What's more is that innate flash on most faeries takes away one of the strong points of vial. Not disagreeing, just an idea why you would play vial in faeries.
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Feb 4, 2014 18:17
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Whoever upthread said they were spec'ing Scion of Oona, good call - it's up to $5 mid. The Faerie land is doubled to  and Bitterblossom has hit $85. What on earth is going on? There's no way Faeries is that good. Modern has also changed an awful lot since faeries was around.
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Feb 4, 2014 18:25
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My favorite two main enchantment is at 60 on tcgplayer o.O
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Tharizdun posted:Whoever upthread said they were spec'ing Scion of Oona, good call - it's up to $5 mid. The Faerie land is doubled to bitterblossom goes in more than just faeries (BW tokens, jund), it is rare, was always popular even while banned (cube, etc.) was $18 even when banned, and someone or some group bought up almost all of them 3 weeks ago so any copies on the market command a HUGE premium. A ton of people want copies right now to test with. I am in the camp that think a reprint in the modern event deck is very likely. If you don't need it for a deck just wait. If you want to see crazy prices, noble hierarch went from like $24 to $54 tcgmid since yesterday. jassi007 fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Feb 4, 2014 |
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Feb 4, 2014 18:36
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Tharizdun posted:Whoever upthread said they were spec'ing Scion of Oona, good call - it's up to $5 mid. The Faerie land is doubled to
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Feb 4, 2014 18:57
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jassi007 posted:noble hierarch went from like $24 to $54 tcgmid since yesterday. Domain Zoo?
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AgentSythe posted:Domain Zoo? Hierarch is the next-best mana dork for decks that ran DRS for that reason, namely Birthing Pod (which gets better for other reasons now that DRS is out of the format). Domain Zoo itself actually got a lot of use out of DRS.
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Feb 4, 2014 19:18
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AgentSythe posted:Domain Zoo? Wild Nacatl got unbanned with Bitterblossom, so probably. Not to mention, I seem to recall Heirarch getting played in straight Naya Zoo anyways despite not making red. edit: Plus what Pinata said.
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Feb 4, 2014 19:18
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Domain Zoo is probably not a deck anymore; Naya zoo just seems a lot better than it.
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BB is also has the tribal subtype so it pumps Goyf  I don't think anything else in the deck is tribal, at least.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:06
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C-Euro posted:BB is also has the tribal subtype so it pumps Goyf Fringe case for Nameless Inversion as removal from time to time.
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C-Euro posted:BB is also has the tribal subtype so it pumps Goyf I've seen one Seal of Fire and one Tarfire on occasion to get enchantment and Tribal Sorcery in the yard. On top of Tribal Flames and Lightning Bolt they give quite a bit of reach.
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Feb 4, 2014 20:12
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Sampatrick posted:Domain Zoo is probably not a deck anymore; Naya zoo just seems a lot better than it. I don't know, Geist and Tribal Flames are both pretty strong arguments for at least 4 colour zoo, and you may as well get a Blood Crypt or whatever in there at the same time.
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Sampatrick posted:Domain Zoo is probably not a deck anymore; Naya zoo just seems a lot better than it. Geist of St. Traft and the very popular tribal flames, snapcaster tribal flames.
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Scion has doubled in median price, still pretty cheap at $5-6. Secluded Glen doubled and it's around $10ish. Ok so let's go on the assumption Faeries becomes a tier 1.5 or flat out tier 1 deck. If we're going to see more shroud creatures in the format, does this mean forced sac effects become even more desireble? Korak fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Feb 4, 2014 |
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Sampatrick posted:Domain Zoo is probably not a deck anymore; Naya zoo just seems a lot better than it. Tribal Flames isn't really a Zoo deck in the traditional sense. While Naya Zoo ran 12 1-drops, the 5-colour version hoped to use DRS or Noble Hierarch to ramp into Geist of Saint Traft; it was more of a 5-colour goodstuff aggro deck, and if you're running all 5 basic lands types anyways Tribal Flames is the best damage-based removal you've got. I can see the deck continuing to exist using some combination of Hierarch, Grim Lavamancer, or Scavenging Ooze depending on the metagame, but having ramp + reach + graveyard hate in a single one-drop made it way stronger. I suspect it'll less focused on turn 1 plays and may start running higher CMC stuff like Elspeth or Thundermaw to provide reach instead.
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Korak posted:Scion has doubled in median price, still pretty cheap at $5-6. Secluded Glen doubled and it's around $10ish. Between manlands, spent Spellstutters, and the Almighty Bitterblossom faeries seems pretty resilient against forced sacrifice effects. Wraths seem like the direction that will have to be pushed if they become a problem, especially Volcanic Fallout and Supreme Verdict.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Between manlands, spent Spellstutters, and the Almighty Bitterblossom faeries seems pretty resilient against forced sacrifice effects. Wraths seem like the direction that will have to be pushed if they become a problem, especially Volcanic Fallout and Supreme Verdict. Doesn't Pyroclasm kill everything that Faeries plays as it stands?
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A big flaming stink posted:Doesn't Pyroclasm kill everything that Faeries plays as it stands? Pyro is really easy for Faeries to counter, you really want Volcanic Fallout
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TheKingofSprings posted:Between manlands, spent Spellstutters, and the Almighty Bitterblossom faeries seems pretty resilient against forced sacrifice effects. Wraths seem like the direction that will have to be pushed if they become a problem, especially Volcanic Fallout and Supreme Verdict.
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Sampatrick posted:Pyro is really easy for Faeries to counter, you really want Volcanic Fallout Man. Volcanic Fallout is really big game in that matchup. It... it might be correct to just play RDW. Like, it might not just be a budget thing.
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How does Illness in the Ranks affect the gameplan of Faeries? Torpor Orb could also do some work, though it does make Mistbind Clique a bit easier to play. I mean, Spellstutter is a beating, since it's just a straight up Counterspell on a body. Man, Wizards just really loving pushed Faeries as a tribe, didn't they?
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Sort of related, does anyone else periodically get the idea that Engineered Plague must be in Modern because they know it's been reprinted with new art or with the new card frame, look it up to be sure and nope, that was 7E and FNM respectively?  That'd be a pretty good plant for a core set one of these years. Of course you probably still couldn't rely on resolving it against Faeries, but just in general.
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Veyrall posted:How does Illness in the Ranks affect the gameplan of Faeries? Torpor Orb could also do some work, though it does make Mistbind Clique a bit easier to play. I mean, Spellstutter is a beating, since it's just a straight up Counterspell on a body. Illness requires them to resolve a scion to win basically. It will be at least a 1 of in the sideboard of my affinity I think, I'm fairly sure with lingersouls and bitterblossom tokens are a thing in modern. Jund is likely to run the ajundi variant or we'll see more junk variants.
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jassi007 posted:Illness requires them to resolve a scion to win basically. It will be at least a 1 of in the sideboard of my affinity I think, I'm fairly sure with lingersouls and bitterblossom tokens are a thing in modern. Jund is likely to run the ajundi variant or we'll see more junk variants. That angle for Jund seems pretty dead without Deathrite to help fix the mana issues.
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TheKingofSprings posted:That angle for Jund seems pretty dead without Deathrite to help fix the mana issues. I agree, but 3 color is not a problem BGx won't die, but bitterblossom lingering souls may lean the deck toward Junk not Jund.
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JerryLee posted:Sort of related, does anyone else periodically get the idea that Engineered Plague must be in Modern because they know it's been reprinted with new art or with the new card frame, look it up to be sure and nope, that was 7E and FNM respectively? I'm trying to make Goblins work in Modern so no thanks. Illness worries me too now that you mention it, does red have anything that deals with enchantments?
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C-Euro posted:does red have anything that deals with enchantments? I suggest prayer to whatever deity you believe is your protector, or philosophical contemplation upon the meaninglessness of playing Magic, and thus the lack of reason to worry about dealing with enchantments in red. Or, I dunno, splash white for enchantment removal or something. Jenx fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 6, 2014 |
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Oblivion Stone. 
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Killing them before they can get an enchantment is kind of Red's thing.
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C-Euro posted:I'm trying to make Goblins work in Modern so no thanks. Illness worries me too now that you mention it, does red have anything that deals with enchantments? No idea if this is too slow for Modern, but I'm running Ratchet Bomb in MURDERGOATS.dec for this very reason (among others).
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C-Euro posted:I'm trying to make Goblins work in Modern so no thanks. Illness worries me too now that you mention it, does red have anything that deals with enchantments? Engineered Explosives for 1.
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L0cke17 posted:Engineered Explosives for 1. Oh, right, duh. 
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Yeah, the deck is supposed to kill people very quickly so hopefully they just don't draw one. Honestly I would just side out my token generators for something else if I thought my opponent was bringing in Illness, though losing those does slow the deck down somewhat.
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Bought playsets of volcanic fallout and firespout. Ain't no aggro gonna take GR tron down. Unless it does, then I'm gonna be sad.
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Could Faerie Imposter see any play to get back useful etb faeries? Sorcery speed for it sucks but getting spellstutter back for 1 mana to keep countering spells seems useful.
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Korak posted:Could Faerie Imposter see any play to get back useful etb faeries? Sorcery speed for it sucks but getting spellstutter back for 1 mana to keep countering spells seems useful. Familiar's Ruse could be just as useful.
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Boxn posted:Familiar's Ruse could be just as useful. Doesn't let you recycle Cliques of various stripes, and doesn't add to your Faerie count for Spellstutter Sprite purposes. Also can't swing.
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