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FeyerbrandX posted:I think everyone whose played this game is thinking the same thing as I am... how much is that 40 hit combo worth? Is there a cap to it? The annotations on the video mentioned that it should deal around 180,000 damage. But damage displays cap out at 65000 thousand so it wrapped around like 3 times. Edit: also for those who are just tuning in, there's an update at the bottom of the previous page that demonstrates how Blue breaks the game over his knee.
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dude789 posted:The annotations on the video mentioned that it should deal around 180,000 damage. But damage displays cap out at 65000 thousand so it wrapped around like 3 times. Not damage wise... that... other thing. 
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Feb 18, 2014 03:49
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Chokes McGee posted:Man, is there any SaGa game that doesn't have some sort of ridiculous exploit due to programmer oversight? I don't think SaGa 3 (Final Fantasy Legend 3 here) had any ridiculous exploits. At least none that I can think of off-hand, other than "one specific boss isn't immune to all weapons save 4, he just has an absurdly high defense, and the 4 ignore defense".
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Feb 18, 2014 03:51
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FeyerbrandX posted:Not damage wise... that... other thing. Oh I see. They probably didn't expect combos to get above 5 attacks so I would guess that it caps out at 5 points.
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Feb 18, 2014 04:00
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That video is a fantastic example at how the combo system in this game is just beautiful. It's just amazing how all those standalone techs just appears to seamlessly compliment with each other. It's like something out of a Marvel combo, but even better!
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I never even considered doing a second Overdrive, because I have never lost a fight once Hyper Overdrive was achieved. If I'm not mistaken, everyone but T-260G and Emelia therefore has an Infinite I Win button. Doesn't *HE* also have the option to do the Rune quest with you if you did the Arcane and either Light or Shadow? Cause then he can replicate this, albeit with inferior stats. I am pretty sure he can end any encounter with this, even so, just by doing the immediate Overdrive at every opportunity.
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dude789 posted:Finally, I'll leave you with this fun video where the player hacked the game and gave an entire party Overdrive and then creates a 40 hit combo with 40 distinct attacks.  Even if I have no clue how to pull off this kind of poo poo, this still makes me really want to play the game some more. Thanks for showing it off.
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Raitzeno posted:I never even considered doing a second Overdrive, because I have never lost a fight once Hyper Overdrive was achieved. Nope, everyone's favorite quest gets locked out of it too.
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dude789 posted:The Kraken is the final tier of the Reptile sprite enemies and is notorious for being the toughest regularly encountered monster in the game. (The Dullahan is a close second). I'd say Dullahan is tougher, actually. Dullahan's Siren is every bit as nasty as Maelstrom, and it compensates for having less HP than Kraken by being able to shield block. Plus, Kraken is EXTREMELY susceptible to Implosion's instakill effect. He seriously dies like 95% of the time to Implosion, and I'm assuming other attacks with OHKO effects have a similar success rate. Good God drat, that 40-hit combo is insane. Someone please tell me that this Mysterious Data Disc is available in English.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:I wanna see something like that done in a 3d game. I don't think we'll ever see games like SaGa Frontier again 
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Bufuman posted:Good God drat, that 40-hit combo is insane. Someone please tell me that this Mysterious Data Disc is available in English. Nope, America doesn't get nice things. In fact, we didn't even get the version of Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon that the disc came with - it was the first PSX game in the series, and America only got the second. The bonus disc that came with that, if memory serves, was a video for Chocobo Racing and demos for Parasite Eve and Brave Fencer Musashi.
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CmdrKing posted:That would require there to be a SaGa game that was released on-time, budget intact, and in a complete state. So no.
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Randalor posted:I don't think SaGa 3 (Final Fantasy Legend 3 here) had any ridiculous exploits. At least none that I can think of off-hand, other than "one specific boss isn't immune to all weapons save 4, he just has an absurdly high defense, and the 4 ignore defense". Pretty much the only reason you haven't seen a FFL3 run where Chaos is reduced to a pathetic weeping child and Balor dies like a bitch is because very few people care enough about that game to destroy it. It's certainly less exploitable than other SaGa games, but it's a more controllable exploitable because there's a lot less random stuff. It's a lot easier to get meat/parts and they're more predictable in how they work. Also, random fun FFL3 fact: Thunder does not exist. I mean, there are spells of that element but Thunder is not an element that exists in the game. All Thunder attacks are actually dual-element Ice + Tornado attacks. Because SaGa. 
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Nakar posted:Because SaGa. I think its been said before, but that would make an excellent alternate title to this (or any) SaGa threads.
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Nakar posted:The whole transformation thing to Beasts/Monsters/Cyborgs/Robots is fairly exploitable if you understand what you're doing with it and/or have access to the right equipment or loot (staves inexplicably give Cyborgs shitloads of HP), and if you understand the badly-translated ability list (such as that oChange actually grants elemental resistance), and knowing about casting spells from items. Or you can just throw TNT and Nukes at everything, which works well. I don't suppose anyone's bothered to play through the remake (and its translation) enough to either find major glitches, or decide it's worth LPing?
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Raitzeno posted:I don't suppose anyone's bothered to play through the remake (and its translation) enough to either find major glitches, or decide it's worth LPing? The original FFL3 was one of my favourite games as a kid. I've played part of the way through the remake. It is definitely worth LPing and I've thought about doing it, but wouldn't have time for a month or two (and I'm not sure I'd want to do it as my first one ever). I didn't find any horrible glitches, though.
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If nothing else, it's not super heavy on dialogue. Yeah, it's worse than the original on that end, by a rather long shot, but it's no Golden Sun.  I can think of a few interesting ways to do either audience participation or multiple LPers working together on it, but I'm still kinda turned off of doing an LP myself after my first failed attempt. I'd definitely follow an LP of it, though, if it ever happens.
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FeyerbrandX posted:I think its been said before, but that would make an excellent alternate title to this (or any) SaGa threads. I dunno, this is a pretty close second for SaGa.txt: Nakar posted:The whole transformation thing to Beasts/Monsters/Cyborgs/Robots is fairly exploitable if you understand what you're doing with it and/or have access to the right equipment or loot (staves inexplicably give Cyborgs shitloads of HP), and if you understand the badly-translated ability list (such as that oChange actually grants elemental resistance), and knowing about casting spells from items. Or you can just throw TNT and Nukes at everything, which works well.
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Alright y'all we're getting close to the end of Blue's quest so it's time to start thinking about which quest to do next. My goal is to let every quest show off something whether it's sidequests or just a lot of content in their main story so I think it would be best to go with either Asellus's quest or T260G's quest. It doesn't really matter too much so I'm going to put it up to a vote. So please say your choice in bold. You'll have until the next major update (I might still do some short gameplay updates though in between) which should give everyone at least a week. To help with the voting here are the advantages of each quest. T260G -Best quest in the game for mechs. We could theoretically make an entire team of them. There's also a lot of really good equipment for them to use. -Some pretty neat unique dungeons. -Probably the coolest final boss in the game. Asellus -Best quest in the game for mystics. -We get the chance to get some really bad rear end swords. -Lots of bosses -In my opinion, the best songs in the game are in Asellus's quest. As for the losing character, after the winner's quest we'll do Lute's quest and then have another vote for the loser's quest vs. Riki's quest.
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Asellus, just to show how brutal this game can be at the start.
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I'd vote for Asellus. I find that scenario to be very intriguing; both gameplay and plot wise.
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T260G Robots are the best part in the entire Saga franchise, and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.
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Thank God I started with T260G my first time! As we kind of know now, Mecs are super easy to play...Stack equipment, absorb other mecs, don't worry about combo's. Much better option than, let's say, picking that radical dude with the purple hair, he seems chill!
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T260G because I never managed to get through his quest and that would be pretty great. I want to know all about mechs.
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T260's quest is by far the most coherent and complete of the storylines. As such, I vote for Asellus.
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T260G. Robots are the best. Honestly, they ruined the rest of the game for me by being so much more reasonable.
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I vote Asellus, and I say go all Mystic for it. All Mec for T260G.
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T260G. After doing Blue doing Mystics right away would feel a bit samey and downplay their strengths I think. Getting some mech action would be nice.
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T260G Let's save the best for last.
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T260-G if only because that scenario has some mind gently caress dungeons...and the final boss has a pretty rockin' theme song, too.
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T260 G because yeah, robots. Also best final boss and theme. And yeah, agreed about the mystics looking Meh right after seeing mage god Blue.
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T260G. Both quests are awesome, but we're long overdue for some mec action. Not to mention some Gen action.
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Ardeem posted:T260G Let's save the best for last. My thoughts exactly.
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I always found the mystic scenario to be pretty meh. It goes so slow and most the characters are dull. T260G on the other only has awesome stuff and characters, so lets do that.
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Meinberg posted:Robots are the best part in the entire Saga franchise, and anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves. This is true, but if we vote for the best consistently, we'll end the game with Riki.  Let's go for Asellus and get the rougher part of the game over with first, save the best for last.
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I vote for T260G and save Asellus for a cleanser after Riki. Because ugh, Riki.
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T260G. Starlight Rave all day every day. 
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KataraniSword posted:This is true, but if we vote for the best consistently, we'll end the game with Riki. As far as this game goes, the only thing worse than playing as Riki is playing as Riki last. Also, go for T-260G since we haven't heard much about mech mechanics yet.
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